If thats the case why is it that the death rate in the UK is approximately 8% of people that are infected, yet
Hong Kong and Singapore are both approximately at 0.5%. Thats a huge difference !
It obviously would not have anything to do with the fact that 97% of people in Hong Kong wear a face mask ?
Bearing in mind also that part of Hong Kong is attached to mainland China, and Hong Kong and Singapore are
in the top 6 most populated areas in the world for their size.
Hong Kong People infected = 766 Deaths = 4 Approx 0.5% (If we use the UK death rate 4 increases to 61 deaths)
Singapore People infected = 1000 Deaths = 4 Approx 0.5% (If we use the UK death rate 4 increases to 80 deaths)
Uk People infected = 29474 Deaths = 2352 Approx 8% (If we use the Hong Kong death rate of 0.5% then 2352 deaths becomes 147 ! )
Several different NHS workers and GP’s I have contact through being on a Group Surgery panel all say the same: many of the general public haven’t a clue how to wear masks correctly! You have to put a mask on without touching any part of your face, if you cough then the mask needs discarding as it will retain germs. Likewise if you should lower it for any reason you mustn’t touch any part of your face plus the mask is now useless as it could have collected any virus from outside while lowered and then transfer it back to your face again. They can do far more harm than good, also if they get damp then through the mouth or nose then they need binning straight away. It would cost a fortune for the average person to purchase them in the amount required daily, also the masks used in industry for dust protection etc are no good for stopping a virus. Isolation/keeping a safe distance plus frequent hand washing are the best ways.
On the news this morning it again showed a clip of folk standing outside last thursday clapping when actually they were supposed to be indoors standing at their window! Also I noticed families with adjoining gateways standing just a couple of feet from each other which is exactly what the NHS they were applauding had advised them not to do?
DEANB:
According to the World Health Organisation,wearing a face mask is not recommended for the general public ?
It says “frequent hand washing and social distancing” are more effective.
Click on pages once to read.
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If thats the case why is it that the death rate in the UK is approximately 8% of people that are infected, yet
Hong Kong and Singapore are both approximately at 0.5%. Thats a huge difference !
It obviously would not have anything to do with the fact that 97% of people in Hong Kong wear a face mask ?
Bearing in mind also that part of Hong Kong is attached to mainland China, and Hong Kong and Singapore are
in the top 6 most populated areas in the world for their size.
Hong Kong People infected = 766 Deaths = 4 Approx 0.5% (If we use the UK death rate 4 increases to 61 deaths)
Singapore People infected = 1000 Deaths = 4 Approx 0.5% (If we use the UK death rate 4 increases to 80 deaths)
Uk People infected = 29474 Deaths = 2352 Approx 8% (If we use the Hong Kong death rate of 0.5% then 2352 deaths becomes 147 ! )
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These figures were updated at midnight.
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'Ref the mortality rates in different countries.
Because the UK has had a low number of tests actually carried out, the rate will appear higher because of all the undiagnosed cases out there.
Difference in record keeping too. Figures may be for death where COVID 19 Is the primary cause, OR where it was present, but not a major factor.
Also the age of the population is important. A country with a lot of elderly will give worse figures than one with lots of kids.
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Then again we can see difference in isolation strategies and available medical facilities.
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There is a lot going on to untangle.
Franglais:
Ref the mortality rates in different countries.
Because the UK has had a low number of tests actually carried out, the rate will appear higher because of all the undiagnosed cases out there.
Difference in record keeping too. Figures may be for death where COVID 19 Is the primary cause, OR where it was present, but not a major factor.
Also the age of the population is important. A country with a lot of elderly will give worse figures than one with lots of kids.
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Then again we can see difference in isolation strategies and available medical facilities.
.
There is a lot going on to untangle.
My point was face masks obviously do help. Singapore and Hong Kong seem to be coping with it much better than the European countries.
Just looked at the latest figures and another 569 dead here today and Singapore and Hong Kong havent changed,both have had 4 deaths in total.
Franglais:
Ref the mortality rates in different countries.
Because the UK has had a low number of tests actually carried out, the rate will appear higher because of all the undiagnosed cases out there.
Difference in record keeping too. Figures may be for death where COVID 19 Is the primary cause, OR where it was present, but not a major factor.
Also the age of the population is important. A country with a lot of elderly will give worse figures than one with lots of kids.
.
Then again we can see difference in isolation strategies and available medical facilities.
.
There is a lot going on to untangle.
My point was face masks obviously do help. Singapore and Hong Kong seem to be coping with it much better than the European countries.
Just looked at the latest figures and another 569 dead here today and Singapore and Hong Kong havent changed,both have had 4 deaths in total.
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If you are saying that face masks, properly used are helpful, then I wouldn’t argue.
If you’re saying one set of figures proves this, I wouldn’t agree.
Could someone please tell me why all the hotel’s are empty but they are going to put NHS worker’s that are doing a brilliant job in porta kabin’s it’s a bit of a joke. Yet it was on the new’s that Portsmouth council have hired a hotel to put the homeless in. To me they have got it the wrong way round.
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Could someone please tell me why all the hotel’s are empty but they are going to put NHS worker’s that are doing a brilliant job in porta kabin’s it’s a bit of a joke. Yet it was on the new’s that Portsmouth council have hired a hotel to put the homeless in. To me they have got it the wrong way round.
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that makes a lot of sense.
leave all the druggys,jakeys and homeless scattered all over the now deserted city,or…cram them all in together in close contact with each other at the same time closing hotels due to stopping close contact.
the other question remains, as where are they bunging all the illegals that are still swarming across the channel 24/7 and the 10000 soldiers the uk has invited to waste their time playing war games? gov.uk/government/news/1000 … r-exercise
way to go the uk gov…how on earth did adolf lose??
Thursday and Friday load totals into RDC are the two highest days since the uplift began 4 weeks ago. Make of that what you will. Frozen load totals for today and Monday are low.
A couple of other comments.
Does anyone think that these daily government press conferences are serving any useful purpose? I thought that yesterday’s was dire… Matt Hancock was droning on in a voice, and with a facial expression, that would be best served as a cure for insomnia. I was actually nodding off, he has no presentational skills whatsoever. All we get from these briefings is repeated and regurgitated statements about this that and the other. I know that a few days ago opinion polls gave the government a very high approval rating for its handling of the situation, but yesterday all the newspapers seemed to mount a co-ordinated campaign against the government because of its extremely poor testing numbers. Someone in government needs to get a grip, it is very apparent that there isn’t any minister with the management skills to organise and co-ordinate the necessary response. They should bring in a business leader to take control. Jim Ratcliffe of Ineos just a suggestion?
And now a bit about our own industry, which is entering very choppy waters indeed. The nationwide numbers of drivers, and office staff, being furloughed is eye watering. Being in the industry for a lifetime then I have plenty of contacts and news coming back is not good at all. Some companies needing funding urgently are being refused and they are going to struggle to survive. We have furloughed drivers and office staff in non-food divisions. I cannot give the figures for confidentiality reasons but it is a serious number.
Personally the entire situation is giving me sleepless nights, I’m worried.
Thursday and Friday load totals into RDC are the two highest days since the uplift began 4 weeks ago. Make of that what you will. Frozen load totals for today and Monday are low.
A couple of other comments.
Does anyone think that these daily government press conferences are serving any useful purpose? I thought that yesterday’s was dire… Matt Hancock was droning on in a voice, and with a facial expression, that would be best served as a cure for insomnia. I was actually nodding off, he has no presentational skills whatsoever. All we get from these briefings is repeated and regurgitated statements about this that and the other. I know that a few days ago opinion polls gave the government a very high approval rating for its handling of the situation, but yesterday all the newspapers seemed to mount a co-ordinated campaign against the government because of its extremely poor testing numbers. Someone in government needs to get a grip, it is very apparent that there isn’t any minister with the management skills to organise and co-ordinate the necessary response. They should bring in a business leader to take control. Jim Ratcliffe of Ineos just a suggestion?
And now a bit about our own industry, which is entering very choppy waters indeed. The nationwide numbers of drivers, and office staff, being furloughed is eye watering. Being in the industry for a lifetime then I have plenty of contacts and news coming back is not good at all. Some companies needing funding urgently are being refused and they are going to struggle to survive. We have furloughed drivers and office staff in non-food divisions. I cannot give the figures for confidentiality reasons but it is a serious number.
Personally the entire situation is giving me sleepless nights, I’m worried.
Hi Graham,
This crazy period of our lives,imo hasn’t even really begun as yet.our family business is in its 50th trading year,our largest private regular customer the last three years anyway,is the same company that employs yourself.Speaking with management in our area further confirms what you’re saying.The reality as I perceive it is,that the likes of myself will receive very little to no government help at all.Your employer and other very big players in the U.K. haulage industry may be more fortunate? Though they’d need that help now,not in June. Sorry to be so pessimistic,though it’s difficult for me to be optimistic tbh.
Regards Andrew.
Thursday and Friday load totals into RDC are the two highest days since the uplift began 4 weeks ago. Make of that what you will. Frozen load totals for today and Monday are low.
A couple of other comments.
Does anyone think that these daily government press conferences are serving any useful purpose? I thought that yesterday’s was dire… Matt Hancock was droning on in a voice, and with a facial expression, that would be best served as a cure for insomnia. I was actually nodding off, he has no presentational skills whatsoever. All we get from these briefings is repeated and regurgitated statements about this that and the other. I know that a few days ago opinion polls gave the government a very high approval rating for its handling of the situation, but yesterday all the newspapers seemed to mount a co-ordinated campaign against the government because of its extremely poor testing numbers. Someone in government needs to get a grip, it is very apparent that there isn’t any minister with the management skills to organise and co-ordinate the necessary response. They should bring in a business leader to take control. Jim Ratcliffe of Ineos just a suggestion?
And now a bit about our own industry, which is entering very choppy waters indeed. The nationwide numbers of drivers, and office staff, being furloughed is eye watering. Being in the industry for a lifetime then I have plenty of contacts and news coming back is not good at all. Some companies needing funding urgently are being refused and they are going to struggle to survive. We have furloughed drivers and office staff in non-food divisions. I cannot give the figures for confidentiality reasons but it is a serious number.
Personally the entire situation is giving me sleepless nights, I’m worried.
Hi Graham,
This crazy period of our lives,imo hasn’t even really begun as yet.our family business is in its 50th trading year,our largest private regular customer the last three years anyway,is the same company that employs yourself.Speaking with management in our area further confirms what you’re saying.The reality as I perceive it is,that the likes of myself will receive very little to no government help at all.Your employer and other very big players in the U.K. haulage industry may be more fortunate? Though they’d need that help now,not in June. Sorry to be so pessimistic,though it’s difficult for me to be optimistic tbh.
Regards Andrew.
Hiya Andrew Mate you are quite right that the UK is sailing into uncharted waters and although my active business life is now far behind me I am, believe me, anguishing just as if I was still running the Bewick Fleet !! But I am ever the optimist that we will come out of this nightmare very bruised but unbowed and if any part of the UK have “previous” it is South Wales and “The Boyos”. For what is worth Mate our Son who has a very successful sign making and Signwriting business has laid his two Lads off on full pay even though he has a bursting forward order book but it all can be held on “hold”
So I am confident that along with our Son talented Tradesmen like you and your Lad will survive and THRIVE after all this bollox is well behind us PLUS at the next Llandudno Truck Show ( When that finally takes place) you did promise that you would buy the first pint in the Beer Tent , well that’s my understanding when you apologised for being unable to attend last year ! Kindest regards, Dennis.
While very concerning all this Covid19 business is we only ever get news of the amount of deaths caused by this and what is being done to halt its spread but my question is how many people die of flu in comparison, just interested what the figures are on that one if anyone has the information. Also the NHS is under great strain at the moment and they are doing sterling work but we tend to forget they still have to deal with A&E casualties as well as other ailing patients we are lucky to have them.
On another note has anyone on here had a Chinese takeaway since this Covid19 broke out, I have asked about and I have not found anyone who has yet so do people get put off as this whole thing originated in China, Buzzer.
Buzzer
I was told by a nurse the other day that the mortality rate for pneumonia is around 0.8% this Covid rate is about 4.8% which makes it around 5 times more deadly than pneumonia.
Buzzer:
While very concerning all this Covid19 business is we only ever get news of the amount of deaths caused by this and what is being done to halt its spread but my question is how many people die of flu in comparison, just interested what the figures are on that one if anyone has the information. Also the NHS is under great strain at the moment and they are doing sterling work but we tend to forget they still have to deal with A&E casualties as well as other ailing patients we are lucky to have them.
On another note has anyone on here had a Chinese takeaway since this Covid19 broke out, I have asked about and I have not found anyone who has yet so do people get put off as this whole thing originated in China, Buzzer.
It is difficult when dealing with big numbers to get a handle on what they mean isnt it? Here is a link: [assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -FINAL.pdf](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839350/Surveillance_of_influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2018_to_2019-FINAL.pdf) If you go to page 51, in 2019 flu *influenced* deaths in the UK, by year, last winter under 1,700, but that was unusually low. In 2014/15 over 28,000. Predictions suggest a toll of 500,000 if no action was taken. By shutting down we are hopefully dropping the peak number of infections at any one time. This enables more to be cared for properly. If there was no shut down, the hospitals would be overwhelmed and due to lack of proper care more would die overall. By the actions taken the toll should be a lot less than that 500,000. . OK, so is that 500,000 possible if we were doing nothing, a lot? Different ways of thinking about this: Population of Southampton and Portsmouth combined is about right. That is every man woman and child in the two cities. Or fifteen times the average crowd at St Marys Stadium.
Or how about this: in 2018 there were 323,000 employed HGV drivers in the UK. So, one and a half times the number of working truck drivers.
Or finally, I find this eye popping, the total WW2 deaths for UK and Crown Dependencies, 1939/45 military and civilian was 450,900. So if we did nothing COVID 19 would kill more than WW2.
Now, we are doing things, so that big figure shouldnt happen, but it worth remembering it so that we all take this seriously. It isnt just a few panicking, it is a real threat.
jshepguis:
Buzzer
I was told by a nurse the other day that the mortality rate for pneumonia is around 0.8% this Covid rate is about 4.8% which makes it around 5 times more deadly than pneumonia.
I don’t think it’s really comparable, Covid 19 is incurable at the moment, but pneumonia is curable in most cases, I’ve had it twice, once as a nipper when I nearly snuffed it, GP wrongly diagnosed it as whooping cough, so I had it bad in both lungs by time it was properly diagnosed and I was hospitalised. Penicillin and TLC had me right in a few weeks. ( I did catch gastroenteritis in hospital, nothing new about hospital infections).
Had pneumonia again at 21 years old, a week in hospital on antibiotics, (and NHS Guinness ) I’m 72 now and still here. But it killed my brother 7 years ago, he already had emphysema, reducing his lung capacity, but it was being managed and he got on OK, unfortunately the pneumonia proved more than he could cope with and finished him off.
Bernard
Buzzer:
While very concerning all this Covid19 business is we only ever get news of the amount of deaths caused by this and what is being done to halt its spread but my question is how many people die of flu in comparison, just interested what the figures are on that one if anyone has the information. Also the NHS is under great strain at the moment and they are doing sterling work but we tend to forget they still have to deal with A&E casualties as well as other ailing patients we are lucky to have them.
On another note has anyone on here had a Chinese takeaway since this Covid19 broke out, I have asked about and I have not found anyone who has yet so do people get put off as this whole thing originated in China, Buzzer.
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we have to go for a 12 mile round trip now as some have shut but theres one in a wee village 6 miles away thats still open as obviously nobodys grassing them in to lose the facility.
i prefer my own on the doorstep one,but in these desperate times an extra few miles each way is just the cross we need to bear.
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They must be feeling the pinch. We deliver to most of the Chinese cash and carry’s in Manchester and Liverpool with frozen groupage pallets. i always look at the load manifests every day and we haven’t delivered to any of these for about 10 days.
gingerfold:
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They must be feeling the pinch. We deliver to most of the Chinese cash and carry’s in Manchester and Liverpool with frozen groupage pallets. i always look at the load manifests every day and we haven’t delivered to any of these for about 10 days.
Graham I just wondered if people associate Covid19 with the Chinese cooking culture and will now steer clear of there cuisine or will the taste buds eventually be too much of a draw, on another point there obviously wont be any ques outside McDonalds when all this is over and done with as most of the kids will have died by then from withdrawal symptoms of not having any for six months, Buzzer
Nice one Buzzer! I’m thinking about starting a “Cookery for Millennials” course (online, of course, don’t want the little darlings swarming in my kitchen with their smartphones and wires hanging out of their ears). I thought I’d chuck them in at the deep end and start with something fairly testing, like making a cup of tea or coffee, then move on to more difficult stuff like boiling an egg or making cheese on toast. Opening a tin might be a bit of a challenge, so that can come much later. I’ll ban them from using the microwave and see how they go on when there’s no ‘ping’ to tell them it’s done.
gingerfold:
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They must be feeling the pinch. We deliver to most of the Chinese cash and carry’s in Manchester and Liverpool with frozen groupage pallets. i always look at the load manifests every day and we haven’t delivered to any of these for about 10 days.
Graham I just wondered if people associate Covid19 with the Chinese cooking culture and will now steer clear of there cuisine or will the taste buds eventually be too much of a draw, on another point there obviously wont be any ques outside McDonalds when all this is over and done with as most of the kids will have died by then from withdrawal symptoms of not having any for six months, Buzzer
It’s certainly a consideration but the frozen pork ribs we deliver to the Chinese cash and carry’s come from a Norfolk company, not from China. If I went out to a Chinese restaurant in Manchester’s Chinatown district when I’m tucking into my salt and pepper ribs I think to myself that we delivered these. Incidentally, it’s very difficult to obtain an export licence for selling food to China. There are only three cold stores in the country with a Chinese export licence.
Thats a huge difference !
Kindest regards, Dennis.
) I’m 72 now and still here. But it killed my brother 7 years ago, he already had emphysema, reducing his lung capacity, but it was being managed and he got on OK, unfortunately the pneumonia proved more than he could cope with and finished him off.