Yes there will be problems but this? fly in thousands of foreign workes who won’t understand English to pick non essential crops like asparagus and then claim free NHS treatment after they have infected themselves and others. The conditions they will be living in on farms need to be seen to be believed. Surely Tarqin can manage without.
The real answer may be to order those receiving 80% wages to do this work if they want to receive the assistance.
Yes there will be problems but this? fly in thousands of foreign workes who won’t understand English to pick non essential crops like asparagus and then claim free NHS treatment after they have infected themselves and others. The conditions they will be living in on farms need to be seen to be believed. Surely Tarqin can manage without.
The real answer may be to order those receiving 80% wages to do this work if they want to receive the assistance.
Bang on there cav551 that’s what should be happening with all those on the dole not just now when we are in a crisis, for along time now I have believed this and its the system that needs a radical overhaul, when these people cannot get even the basic commodities without getting out of bed early to que they seem to be able to do that so no reason not to do the same to go to work, bring on the change Buzzer
Buzzer:
On a completely different note and as the other thread I instigated on TNUK has been demoted to some far away place very few ever visit and I am of course referring to the Brexit thread which now resides on the dark side in Bully’s, don’t know why as it proved intensively viewed and comments abundant ( rant over ) my point being that this Coronavirus just may be the catalyst that brings down the EU and Macron is the one who stated this, lets hope so as the unity that was the EU has certainly disappeared during these troubled times for us all and they are certainly not as one anymore, every cloud has a silver lining springs to mind, Buzzer
How right you are John so lets hope your prediction comes to pass !! But look Mate what are you doing queuing up outside a Butchers for a bit of neck end to-day ■■ Tut tut you should be in lock down !! Regards Dennis.
Dennis actually I was buying Ribeye steak for the drivers stuck at the yard on a break from there constant work some could go home but don’t want to risk it they all have been brilliant during this delivering Pharma & food to keep the country ticking over, as you know trucks & there drivers never get credit for there contribution at any time let alone in a crisis, many transport companies doing sterling work just now not just ours we are but a small cog in all this.
Good steering wheel attendants are hard to find today so you look after the gooduns where you can. While we are on the subject of not getting credit where its due the farmers need a pat on the back also, not easy as there is panic buying of foodstuffs in this sector as well but unless involved in the industry you would not hear about that. Buzzer
Top marks John ! you can’t beat looking after the Lads so I suppose it is a job that the “Old Man” can take care of !! And I just bet The Boss didn’t reimburse you from the petty cash tin !! Ah well bang goes the rest of my pocket money ! Cheers Dennis.
Yes there will be problems but this? fly in thousands of foreign workes who won’t understand English to pick non essential crops like asparagus and then claim free NHS treatment after they have infected themselves and others. The conditions they will be living in on farms need to be seen to be believed. Surely Tarqin can manage without.
The real answer may be to order those receiving 80% wages to do this work if they want to receive the assistance.
Bang on there cav551 that’s what should be happening with all those on the dole not just now when we are in a crisis, for along time now I have believed this and its the system that needs a radical overhaul, when these people cannot get even the basic commodities without getting out of bed early to que they seem to be able to do that so no reason not to do the same to go to work, bring on the change Buzzer
I need to modify this because that will leave the farmers and growers effectively getting their crop picked for 20% labour cost. So rather than another brand new John Deere and Range Rover Evoke on the extra profits, there’s going to need to be government requisition of all agricultural land and crops.
Yes there will be problems but this? fly in thousands of foreign workes who won’t understand English to pick non essential crops like asparagus and then claim free NHS treatment after they have infected themselves and others. The conditions they will be living in on farms need to be seen to be believed. Surely Tarqin can manage without.
The real answer may be to order those receiving 80% wages to do this work if they want to receive the assistance.
According to a friend who employs 18,the 80% of salary/wages is paid to the employer,the employee still retains his full payment,the remaining 20% paid by the employer.
The other aspect to remember is once the employee is recalled back into work,he/she can no longer be furloughed again,therebye losing the 80% from the government.
Yes there will be problems but this? fly in thousands of foreign workes who won’t understand English to pick non essential crops like asparagus and then claim free NHS treatment after they have infected themselves and others. The conditions they will be living in on farms need to be seen to be believed. Surely Tarqin can manage without.
The real answer may be to order those receiving 80% wages to do this work if they want to receive the assistance.
According to a friend who employs 18,the 80% of salary/wages is paid to the employer,the employee still retains his full payment,the remaining 20% paid by the employer.
The other aspect to remember is once the employee is recalled back into work,he/she can no longer be furloughed again,therebye losing the 80% from the government.
David
I suggest that your friend reads the details again. I have the details in front of me now. It is 80% of wages or £2,500 monthly whichever is the lower. I.e it is capped at £2,500 maximum. The employee still has to pay income tax and NI on the payment. It doesn’t include fees, bonus or subsistence allowances. There is no requirement for an employer to pay the remaining 20% of wages unless he or she chooses to do so.
Yes there will be problems but this? fly in thousands of foreign workes who won’t understand English to pick non essential crops like asparagus and then claim free NHS treatment after they have infected themselves and others. The conditions they will be living in on farms need to be seen to be believed. Surely Tarqin can manage without.
The real answer may be to order those receiving 80% wages to do this work if they want to receive the assistance.
According to a friend who employs 18,the 80% of salary/wages is paid to the employer,the employee still retains his full payment,the remaining 20% paid by the employer.
The other aspect to remember is once the employee is recalled back into work,he/she can no longer be furloughed again,therebye losing the 80% from the government.
David
I suggest that your friend reads the details again. I have the details in front of me now. It is 80% of wages or £2,500 monthly whichever is the lower. I.e it is capped at £2,500 maximum. The employee still has to pay income tax and NI on the payment. It doesn’t include fees, bonus or subsistence allowances. There is no requirement for an employer to pay the remaining 20% of wages unless he or she chooses to do so.
The point I was making is that the 80% is not paid directly to the employee.
My friend has decided to pay the 20% in order to retain his employees,perhaps my previous was misleading,there is no compunction to pay the 20% by the employer as you have confirmed.
Yes, that’s a nice gesture by your friend to make the employees’ money up. A lot of firms will struggle to pay 3 weeks wages at 80% before the government pays the firm. The vast majority of hauliers factor their invoices and drawdown money daily to be able to pay daily outgoings. If they have no invoices to factor then they will have no cash flow. This scheme whilst it has its merits will not be the salvation of some businesses. Very difficult times ahead for many hauliers as work dries up, and it is drying up very quickly in many non-food sectors of the industry.
Hi GF factoring is not a good thing IMHO because it means they are trading in an insolvent situation as they are using tomorrows money today and as there margins are probably small before they start paying a premium to get there money fast usually ends in them going bust, in some ways its a bit like living on the VAT money and when its time to cough up to HMT they don’t have it in the bank and end up going the same way.
Remember when they first put VAT on International work I opened a second bank account and every week deposited the VAT money from each weeks invoices in that account so when it came the time to pay we had it put bye, cheers Buzzer
Yesterday was marginally down on recent Monday totals for RDC loads, today is also down on recent Tuesday totals, so maybe the general public is beginning to realise that there isn’t going to be a shortage of food.
Yesterday was marginally down on recent Monday totals for RDC loads, today is also down on recent Tuesday totals, so maybe the general public is beginning to realise that there isn’t going to be a shortage of food.
Or “Gingerfold”, it could be some of these thick people have now filled up there “spare room store” and due to “SELL BY” dates have decided to start using it. Harvey
Or “Gingerfold”, it could be some of these thick people have now filled up there “spare room store” and due to “USE BY” dates have decided to start using it. Harvey
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Going back to buzzer’s earlier post i have always said anyone drawing dole money because they can’t find a job should have to report to the local council yard at 8 o’clock get a brush and shovel and clean the street’s. Why should they be allowed to sit at home and earn as much as a man out to work all day. That’s my opinion anyway i expect there will be some that disagree.
gerbil sb152:
Going back to buzzer’s earlier post i have always said anyone drawing dole money because they can’t find a job should have to report to the local council yard at 8 o’clock get a brush and shovel and clean the street’s. Why should they be allowed to sit at home and earn as much as a man out to work all day. That’s my opinion anyway i expect there will be some that disagree.
For those interested on who is/isn’t panic buying BBC R4 looked at some figures in the latter part of “More Or Less” today.
Is it a few going silly or lots just getting a little extra?
gerbil sb152:
Going back to buzzer’s earlier post i have always said anyone drawing dole money because they can’t find a job should have to report to the local council yard at 8 o’clock get a brush and shovel and clean the street’s. Why should they be allowed to sit at home and earn as much as a man out to work all day. That’s my opinion anyway i expect there will be some that disagree.
…especially those drawing dole money,lol!
David
Simples just pay dole for 12 weeks then it stops till they have done at least two years full time employment, change the system, Buzzer
I’d forgotten about Hackbridge, what a bunch of unhelpful people they was! You could not see backing in to the bays used for dry goods as it was pitch black.
Buntingford was ok and Basingstoke not too bad as I remember I tipped myself there one day, the electric pallet truck must have been one of the first that Lansing Bagnall must have manufactured!
Hackbridge was always a dark and dingy depot even on a summer evening.
I tipped myself at Basingstoke on more than one occasion. I went there one evening arriving about 7.30 pm with our last produce load. We still had mainly 24 pallet trailers then, and I had a mixed 23 pallets load on a 24 pallet trailer. Also back then ordering wasn’t as sophisticated as it is now, so there were a lot of late order adjustments on the load. The paperwork pile was about 3" thick when I handed it in. We had to help breakdown loads for checking, so the receiving clerk said to me “tip yourself drive, we’re short of people tonight but I’ll get someone to help you break it down.” Yeah I thought to myself. So I got the electric truck, tipped it, and broke down the load into all the products. It was supposed to be one product per pallet, but you could get away with 3 or 4 products on one pallet if the quantities were small, such as 6 cartons of limes, and so on. When I’d finished, without any help, my 23 pallets had become 43 pallets scattered about the place. I went back to goods in widow and jokingly said “give me the labels and I’ll check it for you”. No scanning then it was a roll of labels with product and quantity, a physical count of the cartons or trays and if the number matched what was on the label it was stuck on the stack of trays. Calling my bluff the clerk handed me the rolls of labels, so I went and checked it all, stuck the labels on, signed the load as correct, got my empty blue pallets (no one way trip then) and went home. It was a DIY load that night.
I read a comment in B.B.C.news comments that a chap said he’d only see two Sainsbury’s lorries when he was on a motorway,He doesn’t realise the the work that go into this job He would be shocked if he found full of his Veggie burgers and some of the motors aren’t sign written becaurse of these so called animal rights protesters and for other reasons the vehicle is run by a hardworked Haulage contractors packers and stackers.
a Get the T.V.involved in this job,someone will watch instead of Match of The Day as there’s bugger all less on apart ffrom 24hrs hours in a.E.
For all of us f my generation or younger this is the nearest experience we ever have similar to a World War so I thought I would recount some of the tales I heard over the years of experiences in our business between 1939-1945.
At the start of the war my grandfather’s fleet of vans were all Bedfords as illustrated by these two photos which represent the type of Bedfords even though they were not part of the wartime fleet.
By 1940 80% of our work was for the ministry of food to help feed people living within 15 mile radius of Spennymoor. My dad who was 17 at the start of war told a story that on more than one occasion was out between villages on open roads that they had to stop and pull up upon hearing German bombers going overhead. He said they used to get out of the cab to watch because there was no-where to go & nothing else to do but hope they didn’t get killed.
I know why but we had to take regular loads of dead cattle from a slaughter house at Bristol (Presumably as we had a bigger supply up here in North East). Going down the A1 they often, approaching Dishforth came across gates closing the A1 as heavily laden bombers were taking off from the adjacent airport across the main road. Also they often saw heavily shot British aircraft with huge parts of the planes missing as our brave airmen limped home.
Although we were registered as an essential service eventually more & more of our drivers were called up (Including my father) and so the drivers were oldish men, assisted with van lads aged between 14-17 years old. The working day for a driver started at 6.00AM in the morning, filling the radiators with water in winter months and often not finishing on an evening until 11PM on the evening when they had to drain the radiators (There was no antifreeze in those days) However as religion was still strong the government didn’t allow Sunday working so after working Monday to Saturday 6AM to11PM they had Sundays off, with no annual holidays.
We never were able to buy any new vehicles during the war as all production was military vehicles only and even then many of the car or commercial vehicle factories had been switched to other production. The Rover car factory for instance had been switched to production & development of Jet engines. Our vans were wearing as they were getting hard use but no spare parts were available so we had to repair parts or make new ones ourselves.
In Spennymoor area removals were very few. However we still got a few from London where families welcomed their London relatives back to the relative safety of North East to save them from the Blitz. Many of today’s Spennymoor drivers would dread driving round London even with sat-navs but can you imagine the experience our drivers got when finding all direction signs had been taken down (The theory was that if Hitler’s troupes had reached London by removing the signs they never would find their way). All traffic lights were switched off at busy road junctions.
One of the removals we did was for a member of Billy Cottons band. For those amongst us of a certain age will recall ‘The Billy Cotton Band Show’ on the Light program each Sunday Lunchtime or Saturday nights on BBC TV. At the beginning of the war the Government closed all London Theatres & dance halls and one of the musicians (Said to be the best paid in England) decided to move to West Cornforth where his wife’s family lived. Our van had just pulled up on return from London when this chap got a telegram from Billy Cotton saying the Government had seen the error of their way & denying people entertainment wasn’t a good idea & had reopened the Theatres & Dance halls & restored live entertainment on the radio so get himself back as they were back in business.
The British people had it hard and in fact for many living particularly in London had hell but they got through it as will our generation today, but like the Generation in the late thirties we will have to adapt in ways we never have experienced.
Anyone else heard the latest from the top football clubs?
(Use your own trusted sites to check)
They are taking the Government’s money to furlough lower paid workers but are keeping the players on their full multi million contracts.
A strange couple of days…RDC load totals for Wednesday (today) showed a significant dip, but for Thursday they have bounced back with a vengeance and they are higher than last Thursday.
The same volatility on frozen full loads and multi-drop groupage. Monday and Tuesday totals were very low, today and tomorrow are reasonable, although down on “normal”. Friday looks very low at the moment. A long wait to tip 4 pallets at Spar Preston today, staff shortages cited as the reason.
Away from food transport many hauliers are now finding it very tough going. I have had several calls from occasional subbies, and even some who have never worked for us before, looking for work. Unfortunately I cannot give them anything, we are only using our regular back-haul subbies. Even though we’re very busy on fridges and food grade tankers we do have capacity because of the down turn in non-food divisions.
Regards Dennis.
And I just bet The Boss didn’t reimburse you from the petty cash tin !! 
Cheers Dennis.
