The Rustler:
If the box is owned by Interbulk … it is probably 30ft “bag in box” bulk powder/pellet container. Obviously part of the rear door has come open, as it has rolled over … looks as if you can see the plastic liner ( bag) inside.
LOADS of these IBC / UBC / Bulkhaul are 30ft long … is it possible the railway wagons are not set up to take 30fts … only 20 / 40’s
No, they work like trucks, the twist locks or spigots are foldable to fit different sizes
It was there on Friday when I went past about 10am,unless another one fell off saterday morning
Time them gentlemen from VOSA were havin a word with these train drivers there should have been at least four straps on each of the containers. Oh aye an they need to tighten up this walk round inspection. Eddie.
says it came to rest just feet from a railway bridge and minor rd,looking at the picture I would say a bit further than a few feet,typical reporting again
truckman020:
says it came to rest just feet from a railway bridge and minor rd,looking at the picture I would say a bit further than a few feet,typical reporting again
about 10 feet from the road actually,
BUT , I think you’re missing the point.
It should have been secured to the railway wagon in the first place.
NO EXCUSES.
You was only meant to blow the b1oody doors off !!!
It obviously wouldn’t suit the PC agenda to just call a spade a spade by saying that load security standards for containers are obviously generally higher in the road transport industry than rail. 
Trukkertone:
truckman020:
says it came to rest just feet from a railway bridge and minor rd,looking at the picture I would say a bit further than a few feet,typical reporting againabout 10 feet from the road actually,
BUT , I think you’re missing the point.
It should have been secured to the railway wagon in the first place.
NO EXCUSES.
agree with that
If the container is out of shape in any way - including from being “blown” - then great care has to be taken in doing all the tighter-than-usual-to-turn pins up at the docks when the crane drops one onto the back of the train.
This corner seems to be being cut on an endemic scale… 
Imagine if this happened to one of us…
Yet another case of
“A driver was arrested at the scene” I fear.
Er, I wonder if the containers were secured to the wagons with twistlocks or pins through the spigots, and the wind gusts were high enough, would they lift the wagon along with the container leading to a derailment? Out of the frying pan…
cargocargocargo:
Er, I wonder if the containers were secured to the wagons with twistlocks or pins through the spigots, and the wind gusts were high enough, would they lift the wagon along with the container leading to a derailment? Out of the frying pan…
Good question. I’ve not heard of any normal carriages being derailed by the wind, but I realise a container presents a bigger flat side for the wind to catch,so who knows ?
Regards. John.
Well I’ve been thinking exactly that. So instead of losing a box, you get a whole train derailing. Either one could be bloody disastrous.
Carryfast:
It obviously wouldn’t suit the PC agenda to just call a spade a spade by saying that load security standards for containers are obviously generally higher in the road transport industry than rail.
I was joking with my PC line. A spade is a spade. Happy now?
cargocargocargo:
Er, I wonder if the containers were secured to the wagons with twistlocks or pins through the spigots, and the wind gusts were high enough, would they lift the wagon along with the container leading to a derailment? Out of the frying pan…
Quite possibly, and the wagon would only need to lift by a couple of inches for it to derail. Sense of proportion here though guys. This is the third time since 2008 that it’s happened on rail. No doubt further restrictions will now be put in place to prevent a recurrence. Now, how many HGVs have been blown onto their sides since 2008?
Railman73:
cargocargocargo:
Er, I wonder if the containers were secured to the wagons with twistlocks or pins through the spigots, and the wind gusts were high enough, would they lift the wagon along with the container leading to a derailment? Out of the frying pan…Quite possibly, and the wagon would only need to lift by a couple of inches for it to derail. Sense of proportion here though guys. This is the third time since 2008 that it’s happened on rail. No doubt further restrictions will now be put in place to prevent a recurrence. Now, how many HGVs have been blown onto their sides since 2008?
Did 8 containers blow off two trains on the 1st March 2008
old 67:
cargocargocargo:
Er, I wonder if the containers were secured to the wagons with twistlocks or pins through the spigots, and the wind gusts were high enough, would they lift the wagon along with the container leading to a derailment? Out of the frying pan…Good question. I’ve not heard of any normal carriages being derailed by the wind, but I realise a container presents a bigger flat side for the wind to catch,so who knows ?
Regards. John.
I don’t think so, the actual carriages themselves weigh 20t, they’re designed to carry 1x40’ + 1’20, or 2x30’ or 3x’20, so even these containers empty you’re talking 6t.
I don’t think it would’ve took the carriage or derailed the train, I think it would’ve just stayed put
cargocargocargo:
Er, I wonder if the containers were secured to the wagons with twistlocks or pins through the spigots, and the wind gusts were high enough, would they lift the wagon along with the container leading to a derailment? Out of the frying pan…
I doubt it very much, those wagons weight about 30+ tonne empty!! 
Bikemonkey:
cargocargocargo:
Er, I wonder if the containers were secured to the wagons with twistlocks or pins through the spigots, and the wind gusts were high enough, would they lift the wagon along with the container leading to a derailment? Out of the frying pan…I doubt it very much, those wagons weight about 30+ tonne empty!!
i think they are about 27T , we used to take the 60ft ones for scrapping and i could just stay under 44T with one on an extendable trailer
The driver probably got points on his licence,got done for insecure load,checked out to see if he has his dcpc up to date and his card on him at all times,vosa will have been all over his vehicle looking for any faults,and his ocrs will now be under scrutiny, o but wait ,he drives a train.
These are the type of locks used on railway bogies, they flip over out of the way, there was a different type that took the platform down at a station, thaose flipped over to the outside of the train, these flip inside the chassis
