It has happened again… There was an enquiry in 2009 after previous incidents.
Doesnt look like anything was learnt from that then.
And I even get my name in the local paper.
Trukkertone:
It has happened again… There was an enquiry in 2009 after previous incidents.
Doesnt look like anything was learnt from that then.
And I even get my name in the local paper.
Tony,are you saying the containers are not secured on trains ?, the railway chap said they are secured by " pins " ( I assume he means twistlocks ).
Regards. John.
So at first it’s only Feet away from a road to the next location to a few yards now I was always told… One was one. A couple was two and a few was always three.
Next it’ll be due to the location a 500t lifting crane was needed to reach the empty container shutting a main road for half a day to recover a heavy large container.
I saw that when I was running back up on Saturday morning. I just caught it in the corner of my eye as I passed but didn’t get a proper look. Wasn’t sure if it had blown off or had been set up for Net Rail workers.
Could have been nasty, you often see a lot of walkers in that area.
30 ft container 
trux:
30 ft container
I know… I told the reporter 40 foot… but hey ho…
30’ ubc box isn’t it?
I’ve often been told size doesnt matter.
They can be a little harsh if you haven’t got a ticket.
old 67:
Trukkertone:
It has happened again… There was an enquiry in 2009 after previous incidents.
Doesnt look like anything was learnt from that then.
And I even get my name in the local paper.Tony,are you saying the containers are not secured on trains ?, the railway chap said they are secured by " pins " ( I assume he means twistlocks ).
Regards. John.
They are secured only by spigots on some wagons like in this latest incident. I was trying to find out how they are secured on road trailers?
I believe they are all twist locks?
Container gets blown, and back doors left open.
judging by the look of the back door then i reckon it was the 40 or 50 flipflops hiding in the back of it realized it wasnt stopping in birmingham,mobiles dont work anywhere near shap to phone 999 in a panic and have them all airlifted off and hospializsed,with trauma counselling same as what happened at hilton park a few months ago,so they all tried to jump off it at the same time as they all would know whatl happen to them if they reached glesgae…see you jimmeh… 
some reading for you all…
Trukkertone:
some reading for you all…
cuffin eck all for the sake of a twist lock
SOME carriages have twist locks, some just have the spiggots
Looks like a 30’ UBC (Interbulk) to me in the pic, and sure that’s what was in the report too - see the little hatch below the door?
I read most of the report and it talks about unsecured containers sitting on spigots. It seems to stop the container tipping off, they rely on it sliding sideways a little bit first,then catching on a tiny lip on the spigot 
It did say though that if the train was going anywhere where strong winds were forecast , that the operators had been supplied with pins to secure them if the wanted !! I’m not the most technically savvy bloke, but it all seems a bit hit and miss to me
Regards. John.
old 67:
I read most of the report and it talks about unsecured containers sitting on spigots. It seems to stop the container tipping off, they rely on it sliding sideways a little bit first,then catching on a tiny lip on the spigot
Regards. John.
That’d make sense, the spigots do have a hole in them about the right place for a pin to be put through. Never seen it done though tbh, but then again, I’ve never seen them actually do the twist locks either
I’ve heard they only ran on spigots on rail. Surprising in this present day. Due to ease of craning them on and off I guess - trains have loads of these things to on and off load (of course). The spigot thing seems a half arsed attempt at restraint, relying on a sideways shift during a rollover which then allows the edges to restrain the load. What they clearly didn’t bank on was them being blown off!
You’d think in this day and age it isn’t beyond the wit of man (or woman! Keep it PC Rodney, keep it PC) to design a proper twist lock system for rail that is automatically engaged or disengaged during load procedures. That way it saves a bloke having to physically stand there and operate them.
I’d be suprised if the best working practice isn’t changed after this as my understanding is railways don’t screw around with safety and if something goes wrong, heads roll, procedures change due accountability.
Freight Dog:
I’ve heard they only ran on spigots on rail. Surprising in this present day. Due to ease of craning them on and off I guess - trains have loads of these things to on and off load (of course). The spigot thing seems a half arsed attempt at restraint, relying on a sideways shift during a rollover which then allows the edges to restrain the load. What they clearly didn’t bank on was them being blown off!You’d think in this day and age it isn’t beyond the wit of man (or woman! Keep it PC Rodney, keep it PC) to design a proper twist lock system for rail that is automatically engaged or disengaged during load procedures. That way it saves a bloke having to physically stand their and operate them.
I’d be suprised if the best working practice isn’t changed after this as my understanding is railways don’t screw around with safety and if something goes wrong, heads roll, procedures change due accountability.
No, they run both, depends on the carriage, guess it’s the age of them or something, but in Freightliner when waiting for your box, you can clearly see some are solid and some are twist locks. As I said though, I’ve never seen anyone actually touch a twist lock, seen trains coming in and going out, getting coupled and uncoupled, been there hours whilst cranes on stop and stuff, but never seen a twist lock touched lol
If the box is owned by Interbulk … it is probably 30ft “bag in box” bulk powder/pellet container. Obviously part of the rear door has come open, as it has rolled over … looks as if you can see the plastic liner ( bag) inside.
LOADS of these IBC / UBC / Bulkhaul are 30ft long … is it possible the railway wagons are not set up to take 30fts … only 20 / 40’s