Confused about 45 hours rest in cab

Mazzer2:

Andrejs:
Most ee drivers now get wages plus night out -2000 Euro per month.Some British company get worse truck and pay less that We company.Good experienced drivers not go work for UK because they earn better money there.But undercutting will be all time by someone.It is simply business.Every businessman sleep and thing how to cut another companies.Plus to many company waste money for nothing and do plenty empty miles.

Don’t know which EE countries pay 2000 euro per month spoke to a Hungarian 3 weeks ago said Waberers are on 1600 and that was backed up by a Hungarian who works for us. The EE drivers who are driving flagged out Irish lorries are not on 2000 euro per month because the lorries are flagged out it means they avoid paying the Irish minimum wage, Poles maybe on that but Bulgaria and Romania are not paying that money. Go to Zeebrugge and see all the Bg and Ro drivers doing Belgian work that has been subbed out to a Slovakian company and then subbed out again to the Bg and Ro, won’t be enough left in it to pay a decent wage. If the EE wages are so high why would they want to work in the UK, with 2000 euro per month and living in the lorry you would make more than doing shift work in the UK after you take out your living costs.

where you can see here in UK to many experienced ex International drivers
?if you watch or make survey that most drivers who work here for UK companies never was working at international drivers or just very limited time.

Andrejs:
About working away from home that can t see any problem .Thousand people in UK live in Scotland but work in London.Also seaman,soldier work away.At present modern truck can live in truck better than in house.If use has cooker that can cook better good that make KFC,Mac Donald or standart Chicken@chips.
About litter and parking that must build more lay by just with WC.And in most city must sacked all street cleaners because they simply do own job very poor.Also must provide big bin for rubbish.All rubbish not just from drivers.Ee drivers not go so much for KFC,Greece but every corner can see paper with this company sign.

You’ve missed the point, I didn’t say working away was the problem.
I said dived the €2000 for being away for a full month, so for 4 weeks that is 28 days not 20 or 22 for a driver getting home for weekends or working a couple of Saturdays in the month. I work that out to be about €71 per day it’s less per day if you work it out annually.

As for the stuff about litter, cab comfort, street cleaners and bins are nothing to do with this subject so I’ll ignore it all.

Andrejs:

muckles:

AndrewG:
Return loads is what its about, we never ever run empty, as mentioned, much money is wasted by certain companies who then complain re poor turnover…

So what yourself and Andrejs are saying is all those Western European logistics companies and freight forwarders either set up haulage operations in Eastern Europe or sub contracted Eastern European haulage companies to pull their trailers because it was more efficient, despite the fact they were still the same companies and the same contracts and traffic planning systems they had when they run the operations out of their home countries and not because they could cut wages costs?

how Wincanton can earn money if they sent Pepsi cola load to Scotland and back empty.Of course Downton can do this job more cheap because they have much more collection.Second.In UK around London live about 30 percent of population and more rich customer.So all Cdc,rec more busy but not so much factory around London.Much more load must delivered from North to London area than collect back.For this reason for logistic company much more better give load to foreign truck who anyway back to Dover than use own truck and back to North empty.

Again you’ve missed the point, why did many of the large Western European companies and fright forwarders open up operations in Eastern Europe or use Eastern European hauliers to pull their trailers round Western Europe?
The way they operated and the empty running they did didn’t change, in fact they have to have to either get trucks to and from Eastern Europe or hire busses to get drivers to and from trucks based in Western Europe Countries, surely this adds to costs and complications than having local drivers commuting to the depot.

Surely J Carrion in Spain are not run any different from when they used Spainish drivers and with high unemployment in Spain, surely there isn’t a lack of Spanish drivers who be willing to do the job for a fair wage, but instead you see their trailer pulled by Romanian trucks.

As for your example of a foreign truck taking a back load from Scotland to the South on the way to Dover, why did the Eastern European company get the job going from Scotland to the South, when you say Wincantons would have to run empty, surely the East European haulier must have been able to quote a lower price why?
Why did the East European haulier get the job from Europe into Scotland?

Or did the Eastern European get a load from Europe to the South of England and then get a cabotage load to Scotland and then another Cabotage load to the South, at least 2 loads that would have kept a domestic registered truck loaded and got them back to the South.

Andrejs:

Mazzer2:

Andrejs:
Most ee drivers now get wages plus night out -2000 Euro per month.Some British company get worse truck and pay less that We company.Good experienced drivers not go work for UK because they earn better money there.But undercutting will be all time by someone.It is simply business.Every businessman sleep and thing how to cut another companies.Plus to many company waste money for nothing and do plenty empty miles.

Don’t know which EE countries pay 2000 euro per month spoke to a Hungarian 3 weeks ago said Waberers are on 1600 and that was backed up by a Hungarian who works for us. The EE drivers who are driving flagged out Irish lorries are not on 2000 euro per month because the lorries are flagged out it means they avoid paying the Irish minimum wage, Poles maybe on that but Bulgaria and Romania are not paying that money. Go to Zeebrugge and see all the Bg and Ro drivers doing Belgian work that has been subbed out to a Slovakian company and then subbed out again to the Bg and Ro, won’t be enough left in it to pay a decent wage. If the EE wages are so high why would they want to work in the UK, with 2000 euro per month and living in the lorry you would make more than doing shift work in the UK after you take out your living costs.

where you can see here in UK to many experienced ex International drivers
?if you watch or make survey that most drivers who work here for UK companies never was working at international drivers or just very limited time.

You really haven’t answered the question, there were loads of UK companies going into Europe, but like many Western European countries, they couldn’t compete once the Eastern European were able to have free movement across Europe, so therefore many of those drivers who had loads of European experience have retired and many of the new generation of drivers have never had the opportunity, but then 20 years ago Poland wouldn’t have had a large pool of experienced driver to pull from, but as the opportunities arrived they recruited drivers to do the job and driving round Europe isn’t such a difficult thing.

Muckles while I appreciate that English isn’t Andrej’s first language he appears to be the Polish equivalent of Carryfast, in the fact that when the discussion isn’t going his way he just throws in a load of irrelevant mumbo jumbo rather than keeping quiet.

I don’t know where the 2000€ come from■■? :confused: :confused:

2000€ is more what some German and Dutch drivers earn per month after tax.

Is that before tax? Or after?

I just read that a Bulgarian driver earns around 285€ a month, yes a month and apparently that’s the minium wage there :smiling_imp: :open_mouth: :neutral_face: :neutral_face:

Tipperdipper1:
I don’t know where the 2000€ come from■■?

Is that before tax? Or after?

I just read that a Bulgarian driver earns around 285€ a month, yes a month and apparently that’s the minium wage there :smiling_imp: :open_mouth: :neutral_face: :neutral_face:

Be careful.
There was a study done a while ago and quoted on another thread. It examined pay structures for truck drivers in different Eu countries. It showed that many receive very low pay but relatively high subsistence pay. Different reasons but some of it is to avoid taxes. (Employer saves as employees receive more in their pockets as a percentage of what is paid out. And employer pays less NI or equivalent).
It’s difficult to do but you’ve got to look at the whole, complicated, picture whem making comparisons.
As an aside this practice seems fairly widespread in some countries. Not only are they generally poorer with less good systems and poorer social and health benefits but due to underfunded tax collection systems (don’t all cry) the people who earn any real money avoid paying taxes.

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The rest will be night out money. This is what us austrians get, tax free of course. Low basic+night out. Minimum wage in some ee countries is less then one euro per hour.

Hey Andrejs, when your ee brethren are earning so much money, what are you still doing here. What you see in england is only a tip of the iceberg.

the nodding donkey:
My money is on portacabins and portaloos springing up at services, for around £50 a day per bed.
No mention of single rooms, privacy, even hot water being required. This is going to be another ‘bleed the piggy in the middle’ bonanza …

Bit much, I have used the hotels at Lymm and Durham services and they only cost £40 and £45 respectively including parking the truck - but they don’t give you a food voucher so I had to put that on the company expense as well :laughing:

Franglais:

Tipperdipper1:
I don’t know where the 2000€ come from■■?

Is that before tax? Or after?

I just read that a Bulgarian driver earns around 285€ a month, yes a month and apparently that’s the minium wage there :smiling_imp: :open_mouth: :neutral_face: :neutral_face:

Be careful.
There was a study done a while ago and quoted on another thread. It examined pay structures for truck drivers in different Eu countries. It showed that many receive very low pay but relatively high subsistence pay. Different reasons but some of it is to avoid taxes. (Employer saves as employees receive more in their pockets as a percentage of what is paid out. And employer pays less NI or equivalent).
It’s difficult to do but you’ve got to look at the whole, complicated, picture whem making comparisons.
As an aside this practice seems fairly widespread in some countries. Not only are they generally poorer with less good systems and poorer social and health benefits but due to underfunded tax collection systems (don’t all cry) the people who earn any real money avoid paying taxes.

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A family relation works for Sajco Trans SRL RO, 1 euro hr rate but the rest as you mention in tax free allowances…but…no where near the aforementioned 2K eur month.

Chatting to two Romanian drivers the other wk in France, nice lads helped me in on a blindside reverse I was making a right meal of in the dark.

Anyway I digress, we had a bit of breakfast in the morning & chatting away, one works out of Spain, the other Germany, both on €2k month, it seemed all in & no parking etc paid for UK the companies had them home on the 3rd wk rest so they could go home, for the rest regs, both would have preferred to be at home but couldn’t earn even close to what they were on.

Concretejim:
The rest will be night out money. This is what us austrians get, tax free of course. Low basic+night out. Minimum wage in some ee countries is less then one euro per hour.

Hey Andrejs, when your ee brethren are earning so much money, what are you still doing here. What you see in england is only a tip of the iceberg.

I come to England in 2004.Was worked at warehouse for 9 p/h with total warning about 22k per years.After many years I decide become to lorry drivers.Pass all test here,spend for this more for 5k.It was good decision.Iwork for truck driver 5 years .All the time my warning was30k+.i return my 5k for training in first years.Yes I have plan back to EE country but by private reason this will be may be next year.This is no money reason for me now.

Concretejim:
The rest will be night out money. This is what us austrians get, tax free of course. Low basic+night out. Minimum wage in some ee countries is less then one euro per hour.

Hey Andrejs, when your ee brethren are earning so much money, what are you still doing here. What you see in england is only a tip of the icetberg.

You paper not full correct.In most country night out money about 50 Euro.So every month about 1200-1500 tax free plus wages.But tax free money not reflected in any statistic

Tipperdipper1:
I don’t know where the 2000€ come from■■? :confused: :confused:

2000€ is more what some German and Dutch drivers earn per month after tax.

Is that before tax? Or after?

I just read that a Bulgarian driver earns around 285€ a month, yes a month and apparently that’s the minium wage there :smiling_imp: :open_mouth: :neutral_face: :neutral_face:

Yes some driver have opportunity from Germany companies but no reason go work for them.Because in Germany high tax if man single,divorced.

Andrejs:

Concretejim:
The rest will be night out money. This is what us austrians get, tax free of course. Low basic+night out. Minimum wage in some ee countries is less then one euro per hour.

Hey Andrejs, when your ee brethren are earning so much money, what are you still doing here. What you see in england is only a tip of the icetberg.

You paper not full correct.In most country night out money about 50 Euro.So every month about 1200-1500 tax free plus wages.But tax free money not reflected in any statistic

So now a piece of paper is incorrect. Even though its infront of his eyes, you can add day and night together cant you?

Yugo’s on 3.5k brutto per month. Pffft what are you smoking.

You cant believe that tripe, thats a western european wage, where the minimum wage is over SEVEN times what it is in Bg/Ro.

But British drivers can get 33 quid night out tax free but WE about 50.