robroy:
I reckon he was caught unawares and panicked a bit when he was questioned with the words…‘‘Control Experiment’’…he didn’t see that one coming evidently. youtu.be/yjbcLyM_TQk
Nice to see at least one Tory MP switched on btw.
The cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh have lower infection rates than Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire, and much less than London and the area all around it. coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details … -map/cases
And don`t we know that unfit people are more susceptible to infection?
How does Scotland compare for drug and alcohol abuse, and obesity with the English Shires? Any ideas?
Bit selective there…Warwickshire may well be a shire…but a fairly densely populated one
robroy:
I don’t know much about this guy as I ain’t some amateur political animal like some profess to be on here…but I think I like him. [emoji38]
youtu.be/wkMtccVTDH8
No doubt the usual crew on here will have some links in their 'covid portfolio ’ that will dig some dirt on him and instantly write him off as some kind of militant non conformist nut job.
Franglais has turned me into another link searching fanatic in my spare time…, please somebody tell me when I get to the manic stage.ffs [emoji38]
Fraser Nelson is a journalist for the Telegraph, he was on LBC with Nick Ferrari this morning. Sage are being told to forecast only the worst case scenario’s. I wonder why■■?
I havent heard the interview, and dont know how accurate Fraser Nelson is on his interpretation nor how accurate Nick Ferrari is.
You wonder why■■?
A man is exiting an aeroplane at 10,000ft
Should he hope for the best outcome of survival without a parachute?
I think the precautionary approach of considering the worst outcome, and having a parachute is better.
The best outcome takes under half a second to model…surely even an inumerate [zb] idiot can do that:
No?
Nothing Bad Happens!
Surely the whole point of modelling is a selection of scenarios…say worst case, mid range and best case using the known data but considering potential courses of action?
You can’t decision make on data portraying the worst case scenario, logically the most likely scenario is the one to pursue, with contingencies for worst case options.
1m 37s seconds of telling them exactly what she thinks of them
Wow,uncanny.this lovely ladies been a rich source of inspiration for me for a fair time now.Just aquired her recent book on DMSO liquid and it’s beneficial effects for a mass of health issues across the spectrum.Tip of the hat to you stout yeoman.
Bang on Q our resident fact-checker swoops from on high to put us back in line it appears.
Kinda relevant if you’re representing a genuine snake oil saleswoman as a pukka medical expert.
Seems the medical qualification that most associate with the term medical doctor is somewhat lacking.
robroy:
I don’t know much about this guy as I ain’t some amateur political animal like some profess to be on here…but I think I like him. [emoji38]
youtu.be/wkMtccVTDH8
No doubt the usual crew on here will have some links in their 'covid portfolio ’ that will dig some dirt on him and instantly write him off as some kind of militant non conformist nut job.
Franglais has turned me into another link searching fanatic in my spare time…, please somebody tell me when I get to the manic stage.ffs [emoji38]
Fraser Nelson is a journalist for the Telegraph, he was on LBC with Nick Ferrari this morning. Sage are being told to forecast only the worst case scenario’s. I wonder why■■?
I havent heard the interview, and dont know how accurate Fraser Nelson is on his interpretation nor how accurate Nick Ferrari is.
You wonder why■■?
A man is exiting an aeroplane at 10,000ft
Should he hope for the best outcome of survival without a parachute?
I think the precautionary approach of considering the worst outcome, and having a parachute is better.
The best outcome takes under half a second to model…surely even an inumerate [zb] idiot can do that:
No?
Nothing Bad Happens!
Surely the whole point of modelling is a selection of scenarios…say worst case, mid range and best case using the known data but considering potential courses of action?
You can’t decision make on data portraying the worst case scenario, logically the most likely scenario is the one to pursue, with contingencies for worst case options.
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But then I recall the promise of immediate recession after the Brexit referendum. The modelling on that totally ignored obvious courses of action that the govt would take.
In short, rubbish in, rubbish out. Planning predicated on the worst case scenario has its place - provided it remains a plan only to be used in the worst case.
robroy:
I reckon he was caught unawares and panicked a bit when he was questioned with the words…‘‘Control Experiment’’…he didn’t see that one coming evidently. youtu.be/yjbcLyM_TQk
Nice to see at least one Tory MP switched on btw.
The cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh have lower infection rates than Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire, and much less than London and the area all around it. coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details … -map/cases
And don`t we know that unfit people are more susceptible to infection?
How does Scotland compare for drug and alcohol abuse, and obesity with the English Shires? Any ideas?
Bit selective there…Warwickshire may well be a shire…but a fairly densely populated one
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The link was provided to the site for you, and everyone, to pick out their own cherries!
Help yourselves.
(Actually, I just clicked on a few random ones in the middle, then the S.E.)
robroy:
I reckon he was caught unawares and panicked a bit when he was questioned with the words…‘‘Control Experiment’’…he didn’t see that one coming evidently. youtu.be/yjbcLyM_TQk
Nice to see at least one Tory MP switched on btw.
The cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh have lower infection rates than Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire, and much less than London and the area all around it. coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details … -map/cases
And don`t we know that unfit people are more susceptible to infection?
How does Scotland compare for drug and alcohol abuse, and obesity with the English Shires? Any ideas?
Bit selective there…Warwickshire may well be a shire…but a fairly densely populated one
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The link was provided to the site for you, and everyone, to pick out their own cherries!
Help yourselves.
(Actually, I just clicked on a few random ones in the middle, then the S.E.)
A more accurate breakdown would require case concentrations by area (ie…where high concentrations of disease occurred in Warwickshire versus population density) and the same for Glasgow
It would also be interesting to compare the health metrics of say Coventry with Edinburgh rather than make a blanket assertion that all Jocks are unfit fried Mars Bar eating, drug addicts.
Agreed.
Reducing a complicated situation to a sound bite is not clever.
Just like the stupid ■■■■■■ in the original video…
So… whilst finding it distasteful you pursue the same tactic?
If you’re attempting reasoned argument (you are aren’t you? It’s just that you seem keen to be unnecessarily dogmatic on occasion. I had to ask) you let yourself down with casual inclusion of obviously unreasoned argument [emoji6]
1m 37s seconds of telling them exactly what she thinks of them
Wow,uncanny.this lovely ladies been a rich source of inspiration for me for a fair time now.Just aquired her recent book on DMSO liquid and it’s beneficial effects for a mass of health issues across the spectrum.Tip of the hat to you stout yeoman.
Bang on Q our resident fact-checker swoops from on high to put us back in line it appears.
Kinda relevant if you’re representing a genuine snake oil saleswoman as a pukka medical expert.
Seems the medical qualification that most associate with the term medical doctor is somewhat lacking.
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You know nothing about authentic medicine it’s clear to see.DMSO…snakeoil ?..experimemental,graphite loaded gunge would be my interpretation of that term…venom in the truest sense.
1m 37s seconds of telling them exactly what she thinks of them
Wow,uncanny.this lovely ladies been a rich source of inspiration for me for a fair time now.Just aquired her recent book on DMSO liquid and it’s beneficial effects for a mass of health issues across the spectrum.Tip of the hat to you stout yeoman.
Bang on Q our resident fact-checker swoops from on high to put us back in line it appears.
Kinda relevant if you’re representing a genuine snake oil saleswoman as a pukka medical expert.
Seems the medical qualification that most associate with the term medical doctor is somewhat lacking.
Sent from my SM-G981B using Tapatalk
You know nothing about authentic medicine it’s clear to see.DMSO…snakeoil ?..experimemental,graphite loaded gunge would be my interpretation of that term…venom in the truest sense.
Authentic medicine is a bit more than calling yourself a doctor… and you’re a Free Man loon.
Your grasp of the real world could be written in triplicate on the back of a stamp.
This is the data from the Uk GOVT yellow card reporting system COVID-19 Yellow Card Data | UKColumn These “vaccines” are anything but safe or effective, in fact they offer no benefit to health only a risk, the C -certificate O- of V- vaccination I - identity 19 (year of activation) Is really a full on digital ID social credit system, not about health, And no one will ever remain fully vaccinated you will become pin cushions / lab rats for their experimental shots just like people have done so far PHASE 3 Clinical trials until 2023 this info and the yellow card reporting system figures should be given to everyone who wants these jabs, or they cannot give informed consent Masks cause bacterial pneumonia and do nothing to prevent transmission of a virus they are about control
Some info about the muzzle brownstone.org/articles/more-th … and-harms/
tommy t:
This is the data from the Uk GOVT yellow card reporting system COVID-19 Yellow Card Data | UKColumn These “vaccines” are anything but safe or effective, in fact they offer no benefit to health only a risk, the C -certificate O- of V- vaccination I - identity 19 (year of activation) Is really a full on digital ID social credit system, not about health, And no one will ever remain fully vaccinated you will become pin cushions / lab rats for their experimental shots just like people have done so far PHASE 3 Clinical trials until 2023 this info and the yellow card reporting system figures should be given to everyone who wants these jabs, or they cannot give informed consent Masks cause bacterial pneumonia and do nothing to prevent transmission of a virus they are about control
The yellow card reporting system is only a tiny percentage of the real problem but it doesn’t matter for the covidians. They have became a cult, it’s like religion now. And Dr hilary says it’s safe…
tommy t:
This is the data from the Uk GOVT yellow card reporting system COVID-19 Yellow Card Data | UKColumn These “vaccines” are anything but safe or effective, in fact they offer no benefit to health only a risk, the C -certificate O- of V- vaccination I - identity 19 (year of activation) Is really a full on digital ID social credit system, not about health, And no one will ever remain fully vaccinated you will become pin cushions / lab rats for their experimental shots just like people have done so far PHASE 3 Clinical trials until 2023 this info and the yellow card reporting system figures should be given to everyone who wants these jabs, or they cannot give informed consent Masks cause bacterial pneumonia and do nothing to prevent transmission of a virus they are about control
The yellow card reporting system is only a tiny percentage of the real problem but it doesn’t matter for the covidians. They have became a cult, it’s like religion now. And Dr hilary says it’s safe…
The covid cult sad really how people have been scared by the msm FAKE NEWS And the GOVT i have never trusted either, Shillary jones has a conflict of interest which was revealed a week or so ago, And some has many of the SAGE members
For those that still dont know. Covid-19 already has an approved treatment in the UK. Dont wait until you have breathing difficulty in order to seek medical treatment. The earlier the treatment, the faster the recovery. Other countries have also developed their own treatment protocols with multiple drugs, but of course the news of a successful treatment on mass media would imply unnecessary vaccinations (which are still nothing more than a trial for studies regarding safety and effectiveness)
osark:
For those that still dont know. Covid-19 already has an approved treatment in the UK. Dont wait until you have breathing difficulty in order to seek medical treatment. The earlier the treatment, the faster the recovery. Other countries have also developed their own treatment protocols with multiple drugs, but of course the news of a successful treatment on mass media would imply unnecessary vaccinations (which are still nothing more than a trial for studies regarding safety and effectiveness)
Vaccines are “still nothing more than a trial”?
■■■■■■■■.
Where did you get that nonsense from?
“Types of COVID-19 vaccine
The COVID-19 vaccines currently approved for use in the UK are:
Moderna vaccine
Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine
Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine
Janssen vaccine (not currently available)” nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir … s-vaccine/
They are fully approved and are safe. They are effective.
There are many ongoing studies and trials of many drugs all the time.
Drugs are studied throughout their lifetimes, and that is nothing new.
osark:
For those that still dont know. Covid-19 already has an approved treatment in the UK. Dont wait until you have breathing difficulty in order to seek medical treatment. The earlier the treatment, the faster the recovery. Other countries have also developed their own treatment protocols with multiple drugs, but of course the news of a successful treatment on mass media would imply unnecessary vaccinations (which are still nothing more than a trial for studies regarding safety and effectiveness)
Vaccines are “still nothing more than a trial”?
■■■■■■■■.
Where did you get that nonsense from?
“Types of COVID-19 vaccine
The COVID-19 vaccines currently approved for use in the UK are:
Moderna vaccine
Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine
Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine
Janssen vaccine (not currently available)” nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir … s-vaccine/
They are fully approved and are safe. They are effective.
There are many ongoing studies and trials of many drugs all the time.
Drugs are studied throughout their lifetimes, and that is nothing new.
(following is an extract regarding the Pfizer vaccine from the gov.uk website)
COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 concentrate for solution for injection tozinameran
This medicinal product has been given authorisation for temporary supply by the UK Department of Health and Social Care and the Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency. It does not have a marketing authorisation, but this temporary authorisation grants permission for the medicine to be used for active immunisation to prevent COVID-19 disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 virus in individuals aged 12 years of age and over.
(following is an extract regarding the AstraZeneca vaccine from the gov.uk website)
Package leaflet: Information for the recipient
COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca solution for injection COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1 S [recombinant])
This medicinal product has been given authorisation for temporary supply by the UK Department of Health and Social Care and the Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency. It does not have a marketing authorisation, but this temporary authorisation grants permission for the medicine to be used for active immunisation of individuals aged 18 years and older for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).
(following is an extract regarding the Moderna vaccine from the gov.uk website)
Package leaflet: Information for the user
Spikevax dispersion for injection COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine (nucleoside modified)
This medicine is subject to additional monitoring. This will allow quick identification of new safety information. You can help by reporting any side effects you may get. See the end of section 4 for how to report side effects.
(following is an extract from the gov.uk website regarding the yellow card scheme) search what a yellow card scheme is used for
Reporting during the Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak
Use our new website for any reports related to COVID-19
You should use our new dedicated reporting website to report any suspected side effects from medicines, future vaccines or medical devices relating to COVID-19 treatment.
However, sponsors should continue to report via the established routes for clinical trials.
osark:
For those that still dont know. Covid-19 already has an approved treatment in the UK. Dont wait until you have breathing difficulty in order to seek medical treatment. The earlier the treatment, the faster the recovery. Other countries have also developed their own treatment protocols with multiple drugs, but of course the news of a successful treatment on mass media would imply unnecessary vaccinations (which are still nothing more than a trial for studies regarding safety and effectiveness)
Vaccines are “still nothing more than a trial”?
■■■■■■■■.
Where did you get that nonsense from?
“Types of COVID-19 vaccine
The COVID-19 vaccines currently approved for use in the UK are:
Moderna vaccine
Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine
Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine
Janssen vaccine (not currently available)” nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir … s-vaccine/
They are fully approved and are safe. They are effective.
There are many ongoing studies and trials of many drugs all the time.
Drugs are studied throughout their lifetimes, and that is nothing new.
(following is an extract regarding the Pfizer vaccine from the gov.uk website)
COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 concentrate for solution for injection tozinameran
This medicinal product has been given authorisation for temporary supply by the UK Department of Health and Social Care and the Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency. It does not have a marketing authorisation, but this temporary authorisation grants permission for the medicine to be used for active immunisation to prevent COVID-19 disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 virus in individuals aged 12 years of age and over.
(following is an extract regarding the AstraZeneca vaccine from the gov.uk website)
Package leaflet: Information for the recipient
COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca solution for injection COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1 S [recombinant])
This medicinal product has been given authorisation for temporary supply by the UK Department of Health and Social Care and the Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency. It does not have a marketing authorisation, but this temporary authorisation grants permission for the medicine to be used for active immunisation of individuals aged 18 years and older for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).
(following is an extract regarding the Moderna vaccine from the gov.uk website)
Package leaflet: Information for the user
Spikevax dispersion for injection COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine (nucleoside modified)
This medicine is subject to additional monitoring. This will allow quick identification of new safety information. You can help by reporting any side effects you may get. See the end of section 4 for how to report side effects.
(following is an extract from the gov.uk website regarding the yellow card scheme) search what a yellow card scheme is used for
Reporting during the Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak
Use our new website for any reports related to COVID-19
You should use our new dedicated reporting website to report any suspected side effects from medicines, future vaccines or medical devices relating to COVID-19 treatment.
However, sponsors should continue to report via the established routes for clinical trials.
