Compulsory masks

[franglais]

I daresay Mazzer and others will look at the links.
For those who only want to spend a few seconds I`ll try to pick out what some of you may be missing.
All the following is traceable, verifiable, etc.
Some of the links are interrelated and all can be cross referenced with the sources.
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ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … ables/2020
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … dwales2020
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … csjuly2017
ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar … ingcovid19
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … ctober2021

Snips:
“Pre-existing conditions of people whose death was due to COVID-19, deaths registered in July to September 2021
In this section we use the multiple health conditions that can be recorded on a death certificate to identify deaths where there were pre-existing health conditions that contributed to the cause of death where death was due to coronavirus (COVID-19). Health conditions are recorded on the death certificate only if the certifying doctor or coroner believed they made some contribution to the death, direct or indirect. The death certificate does not include all health conditions from which the deceased might have suffered if they were not considered relevant. However, the fact that a pre-existing condition was recorded does not suggest that the deceased was likely to have died from that condition in the absence of the COVID-19 infection.”

"The majority (90.2%) of deaths that mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate in 2020 had COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death; "

Those snips are in the links. I dont like to take them out of context, but if I cutn`paste whole reports it is a waste of space and few will take the effort to read. Those who do want the whole picture, not stop reading as soon as one line half agrees with their wish, will follow for themselves anyway.
Check and recheck my links, all you want. Any mistakes correct me. They are only the starting point to get a full picture, but its a start.

[franglais]

the maoster:
I know over 50 people who’ve contacted Covid. I’ve not witnessed any of them die and any suffering they may have done was in the comfort of their own beds for a few days.

I can believe that of a random 50 Covid sufferers, none died. Nothing at all significant there at all.
None in hospital either, again, so what?

We have reliable data that there have been 10,000,000 Covid cases in the UK.
You are looking at a sample of 50 of them…

You have said lots about about unreliable data, what results do you reckon on getting from a sample of 1/200,000, or 0.0005% ?
And since you know all of the sample, it may also be less likely to be a fair random sample.

[the_maoster]

jakethesnake:

the maoster:

jakethesnake:
I take it neither have known or seen anyone suffering or dying from covid.

Neither have you, despite what you’ll inevitably claim to the contrary. I know over 50 people who’ve contacted Covid. I’ve not witnessed any of them die and any suffering they may have done was in the comfort of their own beds for a few days.

I don’t believe you.

What, that I know 50 people?

[robroy]

Franglais:
I daresay Mazzer and others will look at the links.
For those who only want to spend a few seconds I`ll try to pick out what some of you may be missing.
All the following is traceable, verifiable, etc.
Some of the links are interrelated and all can be cross referenced with the sources.
.
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … ables/2020
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … dwales2020
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … csjuly2017
ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar … ingcovid19
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … ctober2021

Snips:
“Pre-existing conditions of people whose death was due to COVID-19, deaths registered in July to September 2021
In this section we use the multiple health conditions that can be recorded on a death certificate to identify deaths where there were pre-existing health conditions that contributed to the cause of death where death was due to coronavirus (COVID-19). Health conditions are recorded on the death certificate only if the certifying doctor or coroner believed they made some contribution to the death, direct or indirect. The death certificate does not include all health conditions from which the deceased might have suffered if they were not considered relevant. However, the fact that a pre-existing condition was recorded does not suggest that the deceased was likely to have died from that condition in the absence of the COVID-19 infection.”

"The majority (90.2%) of deaths that mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate in 2020 had COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death; "

Those snips are in the links. I dont like to take them out of context, but if I cutn`paste whole reports it is a waste of space and few will take the effort to read. Those who do want the whole picture, not stop reading as soon as one line half agrees with their wish, will follow for themselves anyway.
Check and recheck my links, all you want. Any mistakes correct me. They are only the starting point to get a full picture, but its a start.

I bet you’re top of everybody in your town,s list of invites to their Christmas parties with a routine like that Franglais.

Ps…don’t forget yer mask. …oh yeh and your list.

[monkey241]

robroy:

Franglais:
I daresay Mazzer and others will look at the links.
For those who only want to spend a few seconds I`ll try to pick out what some of you may be missing.
All the following is traceable, verifiable, etc.
Some of the links are interrelated and all can be cross referenced with the sources.
.
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … ables/2020
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … dwales2020
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … csjuly2017
ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar … ingcovid19
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … ctober2021

Snips:
“Pre-existing conditions of people whose death was due to COVID-19, deaths registered in July to September 2021
In this section we use the multiple health conditions that can be recorded on a death certificate to identify deaths where there were pre-existing health conditions that contributed to the cause of death where death was due to coronavirus (COVID-19). Health conditions are recorded on the death certificate only if the certifying doctor or coroner believed they made some contribution to the death, direct or indirect. The death certificate does not include all health conditions from which the deceased might have suffered if they were not considered relevant. However, the fact that a pre-existing condition was recorded does not suggest that the deceased was likely to have died from that condition in the absence of the COVID-19 infection.”

"The majority (90.2%) of deaths that mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate in 2020 had COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death; "

Those snips are in the links. I dont like to take them out of context, but if I cutn`paste whole reports it is a waste of space and few will take the effort to read. Those who do want the whole picture, not stop reading as soon as one line half agrees with their wish, will follow for themselves anyway.
Check and recheck my links, all you want. Any mistakes correct me. They are only the starting point to get a full picture, but its a start.

I bet you’re top of everybody in your town,s list of invites to their Christmas parties with a routine like that Franglais.

Ps…don’t forget yer mask. …oh yeh and your list. [emoji38]

The ultimate (compliant) rebel

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[robroy]

Removed…wrong thread.

[monkey241]

robroy:
Removed…wrong thread.

Consider it your Dr Johnson moment

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[mazzer2]

The only stat of any importance to me is the mortality rate currently around the 2% mark take into account my ethincity, age and no underlying health and being pretty fit (in a physical way ) for my age it is probably under 1% so tbh hardly a cause for concern or a reason for putting my life on hold.
Three close friends have had covid one a woman in her 30’s who is physically fit said it was like a mild bout of flu, another in their late 50’s not unhealthy, it stopped her from working at home and again she said like a severe bout of flu the third again in her 50’s clinically obese unlike the other two no vaccinations said it knocked her for six put her in bed for four days after about a week she said felt ok just a bit weak, none required the aid of doctors or hospital treatment even the one who statistically should have been hospitalised hardly the killer disease some would have you believe, if we had a mortality rate of 2% in cancer we would be celebrating and as statistically 1 in 3 of us will get cancer in one form or another that would be something to celebrate.
Franglais said covid killed 12% of people who died in the UK in 2020 that means 88% didn’t die of covid so roughly 1 in 10 of all UK deaths and it will probably be lower for 2021 as a lot of the easy targets have already been had and there were no vaccines in 2020 so in all likelihood an even lower death rate for 2021 yet there are still people calling for lockdowns etc.

[monkey241]

Mazzer2:
The only stat of any importance to me is the mortality rate currently around the 2% mark take into account my ethincity, age and no underlying health and being pretty fit (in a physical way ) for my age it is probably under 1% so tbh hardly a cause for concern or a reason for putting my life on hold.
Three close friends have had covid one a woman in her 30’s who is physically fit said it was like a mild bout of flu, another in their late 50’s not unhealthy, it stopped her from working at home and again she said like a severe bout of flu the third again in her 50’s clinically obese unlike the other two no vaccinations said it knocked her for six put her in bed for four days after about a week she said felt ok just a bit weak, none required the aid of doctors or hospital treatment even the one who statistically should have been hospitalised hardly the killer disease some would have you believe, if we had a mortality rate of 2% in cancer we would be celebrating and as statistically 1 in 3 of us will get cancer in one form or another that would be something to celebrate.
Franglais said covid killed 12% of people who died in the UK in 2020 that means 88% didn’t die of covid so roughly 1 in 10 of all UK deaths and it will probably be lower for 2021 as a lot of the easy targets have already been had and there were no vaccines in 2020 so in all likelihood an even lower death rate for 2021 yet there are still people calling for lockdowns etc.

Quite a few of my colleagues have had it.

At least 3 have long covid - one in his 60s, one in his 40s the other late 30s.

The latter 2 both described it as a bad case of flu.

Taking simple steps like mask wearing seems fair enough. I’m in my 50s and have always been very physically fit and rarely ill, but it appears to me that this virus is unpredictable and it therefore seems sensible to mitigate the risk.

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[mazzer2]

Monkey241:

Mazzer2:
The only stat of any importance to me is the mortality rate currently around the 2% mark take into account my ethincity, age and no underlying health and being pretty fit (in a physical way ) for my age it is probably under 1% so tbh hardly a cause for concern or a reason for putting my life on hold.
Three close friends have had covid one a woman in her 30’s who is physically fit said it was like a mild bout of flu, another in their late 50’s not unhealthy, it stopped her from working at home and again she said like a severe bout of flu the third again in her 50’s clinically obese unlike the other two no vaccinations said it knocked her for six put her in bed for four days after about a week she said felt ok just a bit weak, none required the aid of doctors or hospital treatment even the one who statistically should have been hospitalised hardly the killer disease some would have you believe, if we had a mortality rate of 2% in cancer we would be celebrating and as statistically 1 in 3 of us will get cancer in one form or another that would be something to celebrate.
Franglais said covid killed 12% of people who died in the UK in 2020 that means 88% didn’t die of covid so roughly 1 in 10 of all UK deaths and it will probably be lower for 2021 as a lot of the easy targets have already been had and there were no vaccines in 2020 so in all likelihood an even lower death rate for 2021 yet there are still people calling for lockdowns etc.

Quite a few of my colleagues have had it.

At least 3 have long covid - one in his 60s, one in his 40s the other late 30s.

The latter 2 both described it as a bad case of flu.

Taking simple steps like mask wearing seems fair enough. I’m in my 50s and have always been very physically fit and rarely ill, but it appears to me that this virus is unpredictable and it therefore seems sensible to mitigate the risk.

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I agree with sensible precautions and will wear a mask where I think it is justified but for some it has become some sort of armaggedon that is going to wipe us all out, generally in my opinion people who have never faced any real risk or threat to their life are the worst and so are unable to rationalise the threat that it poses and act accordingly

[monkey241]

Mazzer2:

Monkey241:

Mazzer2:
The only stat of any importance to me is the mortality rate currently around the 2% mark take into account my ethincity, age and no underlying health and being pretty fit (in a physical way ) for my age it is probably under 1% so tbh hardly a cause for concern or a reason for putting my life on hold.
Three close friends have had covid one a woman in her 30’s who is physically fit said it was like a mild bout of flu, another in their late 50’s not unhealthy, it stopped her from working at home and again she said like a severe bout of flu the third again in her 50’s clinically obese unlike the other two no vaccinations said it knocked her for six put her in bed for four days after about a week she said felt ok just a bit weak, none required the aid of doctors or hospital treatment even the one who statistically should have been hospitalised hardly the killer disease some would have you believe, if we had a mortality rate of 2% in cancer we would be celebrating and as statistically 1 in 3 of us will get cancer in one form or another that would be something to celebrate.
Franglais said covid killed 12% of people who died in the UK in 2020 that means 88% didn’t die of covid so roughly 1 in 10 of all UK deaths and it will probably be lower for 2021 as a lot of the easy targets have already been had and there were no vaccines in 2020 so in all likelihood an even lower death rate for 2021 yet there are still people calling for lockdowns etc.

Quite a few of my colleagues have had it.

At least 3 have long covid - one in his 60s, one in his 40s the other late 30s.

The latter 2 both described it as a bad case of flu.

Taking simple steps like mask wearing seems fair enough. I’m in my 50s and have always been very physically fit and rarely ill, but it appears to me that this virus is unpredictable and it therefore seems sensible to mitigate the risk.

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I agree with sensible precautions and will wear a mask where I think it is justified but for some it has become some sort of armaggedon that is going to wipe us all out, generally in my opinion people who have never faced any real risk or threat to their life are the worst and so are unable to rationalise the threat that it poses and act accordingly

I think the same logic can be applied to the other side too [emoji6]

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[franglais]

Mazzer2:
The only stat of any importance to me is the mortality rate currently around the 2% mark take into account my ethincity, age and no underlying health and being pretty fit (in a physical way ) for my age it is probably under 1% so tbh hardly a cause for concern or a reason for putting my life on hold.
Three close friends have had covid one a woman in her 30’s who is physically fit said it was like a mild bout of flu, another in their late 50’s not unhealthy, it stopped her from working at home and again she said like a severe bout of flu the third again in her 50’s clinically obese unlike the other two no vaccinations said it knocked her for six put her in bed for four days after about a week she said felt ok just a bit weak, none required the aid of doctors or hospital treatment even the one who statistically should have been hospitalised hardly the killer disease some would have you believe, if we had a mortality rate of 2% in cancer we would be celebrating and as statistically 1 in 3 of us will get cancer in one form or another that would be something to celebrate.
Franglais said covid killed 12% of people who died in the UK in 2020 that means 88% didn’t die of covid so roughly 1 in 10 of all UK deaths and it will probably be lower for 2021 as a lot of the easy targets have already been had and there were no vaccines in 2020 so in all likelihood an even lower death rate for 2021 yet there are still people calling for lockdowns etc.

I find it difficult to respond to this at the moment.
I will try to do so later.

One point I will pick up now though
“Franglais said covid killed 12% of peop…”
No. None of the figures are mine…Those shown all come from the ONS, who have proper links to their sources.

[mazzer2]

I just said Franglias as it is easier than cutting and pasting we all know you do not work for the ONS although you may be their best customer

[idrive]

It’s heartening to see that it’s only the trolls, the embittered, and the retarded that are still falling for this.

[monkey241]

Falling for what exactly?

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[idrive]

robroy:
Open your minds, open your eyes and look around to how things ACTUALLY are instead of listening to official bodies telling you how things are as they want you to believe them to be (for whatever unknown reason.)

You know this is the opening line to the flat earth theory.

You are told that you are clinging onto a spinning globe, hurtling through oblivion, traveling at thousands of miles per hour, in several different directions simultaneously.

Yet as you stand outside, your own personal experience is that of a stationary motionless plane.

To be honest the flat earth people sound quite reasonable compared to the covid cultists and their hysteria.

[idrive]

Monkey241:
Falling for what exactly?

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[stu675]

robroy:

jakethesnake:
Sense? This is the same guy that reckons doctors stand about doing nothing.

I take it neither have known or seen anyone suffering or dying from covid.

Either back that statement up Jakey me old mate, or apologise for getting me mixed up with somebody else.
I have NEVER said that about Doctors.
…Your call.

I know of at least 3 people personally who have died WITH Covid., but none personally who have died OF Covid.
Hope that answers your question.

Rob, Jake was referring to my comment about doctors.
Which I stand by. The NHS block booked private hospitals and had them standing idle. Bit like the nightingales.

[monkey241]

idrive:

Monkey241:
Falling for what exactly?

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If you are inserting yourself into a category, go ahead. Choose more than one if you like

I’m not inserting myself anywhere since the court case.

What I did do was ask a question.

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[stu675]

Franglais:

stu675:
Yes but what you fail to realise is that millions of people catch Covid and nothing very harmful happens to them. We should just stop worrying about it…and live with it [emoji1787]

robroy:
A man talking sense, but apparentlly the way forward is to get totally engrossed in this stuff,.do more research on it than a university ptrofessor…in your free time , and carry on the ‘scaremongering’ on behalf of the ‘scaremongers’.
However I’m with you on it, life is too short as it is to worry about stuff, leave it to those who get paid to worry.

Last year 2020 more people in the UK died from Covid* than anything else.

More than died of Covid than of heart disease, lung cancer, dementia…anything else.
The biggest single cause of death…Get It?

ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … ables/2020
“The leading cause of death in England and Wales in 2020 was the coronavirus (COVID-19), with 73,766 deaths (12.1% of all deaths); the second most common cause of death was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease, accounting for 11.5% of all deaths registered in 2020 (compared with 12.5% in 2019, when dementia and Alzheimer’s disease was the leading cause of death).”

In spite of all the precautions, in spite of the vaccines, in spite of everything. The biggest cause of death, UK, 2020, was Covid.
Now before you bash away at you keyboard that is not exaggeration. That is repeating what is a fact. A FACT. Verifiable, check it yourself.
Because it is a big number and you find it hard to understand or accept doesn`t make it fictitious.

Why do you keep saying it is an exaggerated problem? What information do you, Mr RobRoy, have that is missing to the NHS, WHO, ONS and most everyone else in the whole world?
The 3 dead people known to you? There are 607,922 dead people known to the NHS and ONS. I think their data base is a wee bit better than yours, don`t you?

You keep telling us you “get it”, but I really think you don`t. I keep looking for ways to show you the size of the numbers, the scale of the problem, but for some reason you keep arguing it is either a conspiracy or miscalculation or summat.

Come on then, where are we all going wrong. Weve put up figures from the NHS, WHO, ONS, BMJ, and loads of links all of which can be followed and checked. How many of those links are somehow wrong? Please tell us. I dont like false info so please tell me what is wrong.
How many links to good info have you posted?
I dont think youre a liar or owt, so where is it we are going wrong?
Where, Why, How, are all we going wrong?

*primary cause. Check the links the details are all there.
If you think there is faulty data gathering or analysis, tell us or tell them. It is complicated to gather data, certainly true, deciding what is “the cause of death” isn`t a simple “box ticking” exercise, that is true. The methods used are extensively explained on the site.

Franglais, why do you fall for all the nonsense fed to you?
You have no idea if Covid was or was not the biggest killer. There is no truthful reporting around Covid. Doctors getting paid thousands for reporting Covid deaths over other deaths, what do you think will be reported. If you can’t see it with your own eyes (not on a TV screen) then take it with a pinch of salt.