Monkey241:
You seem skeptical.
Why? Try and articulate what you think the end game is
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I never realised you were quite this condescending. You really would benefit from some communication seminars. Hey, maybe get Shapps to create a module on it for your next DCPC. You could then attend and actually find some use for it.
But in the style of my percieved opinion you have of me;
I fink it’s dem ray guns meltin my brain.
But seriously, I’m not an intellectual, nor do I swan around with airs & graces. The end game is so out of sight, but the road there is littered with so many ‘we told you so’ moments. You may well say the changing situation is due to newly gained knowledge of a developing situation. But how would you explain the case that the alternative to the mainstream foresaw it long before it happened?
I can’t help thinking, if the offical narrative said strawberry ice-cream, smothered on the little man, would prevent transmission, you’d be chasing Mr Whippy down the road…
Example from above
1st week Oct 2020 29,000 covid deaths in the UK
1st week Oct 2021 4,000 covid deaths.
Apart from vaccines what has changed?
.
And weren’t we far more restricted Oct 2020? Less death now in spite of moving around and mixing more.
Considering you once used a post that went over half a page to demonstrate ‘statistics’ can be manipulated to represent anything you want them to, I’m surprised you quote some.
What’s changed? I here you ask. Flu, cancer, road accidents are becoming fashionable again, after dropping out of the top picks last year. You yourself was involved in a discussion, supported by many pro-jab experts that many old or vulnerable people, who had a life expectancy of months, succumbed to Covid last year. If there wasn’t this new virus, (and yes, I do believe there is one) would not have been in last years figures but appeared in this year’s.
They was a proffessor on LBC earlier this year stating that what classifies as a ‘Covid case’, needs to be recalibrated. He was one of the panelists advising the government. Either the JCVI or Sage. Apologies, I can’t recall all the details. It was something like, ‘Prof Portsmouth’ or something. Definitely the name of a west country place name.
But a few things…
Truckulent:
Why stop at a mask? Why not insist on full PPE whenever interacting with anyone? That has also been proven to be even more effective than just a mask. In fact, include full PPE and 2m distancing whenever you interact with anyone. That would be miles better than just a mask and poor old Covid would be dead in the water…
You could even insist onnit between partners. They are after all amongst the most likely to infect you.
So what about the above? Any objection? More effective than the mask proposal for sure.
Good Idea!
The perfect solution for Drama Queens.
Just take a simple proportionate response and ramp it up to the nth degree.
What do you do for an encore? Claim a 0mph limit is much safer than a 30mph limit?
Say wearing seat belts is stupid because you aren`t wearing a crash hat and body armour?
Well yes exactly.
At what point do you stop? What is “acceptable risk”?
And why is mask wearing ok but not gloves and distancing and an apron as well?
The point is that risk is all around us.
My point here is this. Everyone has their own idea of acceptable risk. Just because yours is different to mine does not make you right and me wrong. Especially as there are many more things beyond your threshold we COULD do.
I’m happy without a mask thanks. It has served me well for 48 years. If you wish to wear one then that’s fine by me. Please do me the same courtesy.
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Why?
Proportion.
Low level inconvenience and cost.
Yet still you whine.
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My proportion is different to yours.
Doesn’t make you right and me wrong, as I said.
The most likely source of transmission is from family and friends. Do you wear your mask all the time with them? Small inconvenience still…But I bet you don’t…[emoji41]
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I don’t wear my mask at all at the moment [emoji6]
As for proportion ours do indeed differ.
You err on the margins of hysteria and paranoia. For me, that takes too much energy [emoji6]
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Don’t be so silly.
Just a simple right to choose for yourself is all I ask.
A lot of of our forefathers fought some bloody battles to enable the above. I just want that to continue.
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Do you have the right to choose what speed you drive past the school gates? No.
Your personal freedom is limited by the right to safety of others.
.
Talking of the sacrifices of lives by many, whilst complaining about wearing a bit of material over your face!! Really■■?
The speed I drive past a school is completely irrelevant. I can choose to drive past at 80mph if I want to. There may be consequences - but that’s my choice. Same with choosing to not wear a mask…
These “wear a face mask and be safe” supporters posts contradict yourselves… On the one hand you do want to force me to wear a mask to be safe. But on the other dont want me to wear full PPE. - which would actually serve your purpose much better. So you only want me to be a bit safe not very safe?
Make your minds up won’t you? [emoji2357][emoji2357][emoji23]
Monkey241:
You seem skeptical.
Why? Try and articulate what you think the end game is
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I never realised you were quite this condescending. You really would benefit from some communication seminars. Hey, maybe get Shapps to create a module on it for your next DCPC. You could then attend and actually find some use for it.
But in the style of my percieved opinion you have of me;
I fink it’s dem ray guns meltin my brain. [emoji14]
But seriously, I’m not an intellectual, nor do I swan around with airs & graces. The end game is so out of sight, but the road there is littered with so many ‘we told you so’ moments. You may well say the changing situation is due to newly gained knowledge of a developing situation. But how would you explain the case that the alternative to the mainstream foresaw it long before it happened?
I can’t help thinking, if the offical narrative said strawberry ice-cream, smothered on the little man, would prevent transmission, you’d be chasing Mr Whippy down the road…
You never realised I was quite this condescending?
Ah well. Perception is everything.
Another thing to add to your 'slow ’ list
Monkey241:
You seem skeptical.
Why? Try and articulate what you think the end game is
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I never realised you were quite this condescending. You really would benefit from some communication seminars. Hey, maybe get Shapps to create a module on it for your next DCPC. You could then attend and actually find some use for it.
But in the style of my percieved opinion you have of me;
I fink it’s dem ray guns meltin my brain. [emoji14]
But seriously, I’m not an intellectual, nor do I swan around with airs & graces. The end game is so out of sight, but the road there is littered with so many ‘we told you so’ moments. You may well say the changing situation is due to newly gained knowledge of a developing situation. But how would you explain the case that the alternative to the mainstream foresaw it long before it happened?
I can’t help thinking, if the offical narrative said strawberry ice-cream, smothered on the little man, would prevent transmission, you’d be chasing Mr Whippy down the road…
Final sentence is a revelation
You’ve no idea what the end game is, yet you’re certain it’s happening.
As for the told ya so moments…all so obvious in the achievement of a great plan…just you have no idea what that plan is
The most accurate thing you said was that you’re no intellectual
Truckulent:
Why stop at a mask? Why not insist on full PPE whenever interacting with anyone? That has also been proven to be even more effective than just a mask. In fact, include full PPE and 2m distancing whenever you interact with anyone. That would be miles better than just a mask and poor old Covid would be dead in the water…
You could even insist onnit between partners. They are after all amongst the most likely to infect you.
So what about the above? Any objection? More effective than the mask proposal for sure.
Good Idea!
The perfect solution for Drama Queens.
Just take a simple proportionate response and ramp it up to the nth degree.
What do you do for an encore? Claim a 0mph limit is much safer than a 30mph limit?
Say wearing seat belts is stupid because you aren`t wearing a crash hat and body armour?
Well yes exactly.
At what point do you stop? What is “acceptable risk”?
And why is mask wearing ok but not gloves and distancing and an apron as well?
The point is that risk is all around us.
My point here is this. Everyone has their own idea of acceptable risk. Just because yours is different to mine does not make you right and me wrong. Especially as there are many more things beyond your threshold we COULD do.
I’m happy without a mask thanks. It has served me well for 48 years. If you wish to wear one then that’s fine by me. Please do me the same courtesy.
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Why?
Proportion.
Low level inconvenience and cost.
Yet still you whine.
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My proportion is different to yours.
Doesn’t make you right and me wrong, as I said.
The most likely source of transmission is from family and friends. Do you wear your mask all the time with them? Small inconvenience still…But I bet you don’t…[emoji41]
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I don’t wear my mask at all at the moment [emoji6]
As for proportion ours do indeed differ.
You err on the margins of hysteria and paranoia. For me, that takes too much energy [emoji6]
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Don’t be so silly.
Just a simple right to choose for yourself is all I ask.
A lot of of our forefathers fought some bloody battles to enable the above. I just want that to continue.
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Do you have the right to choose what speed you drive past the school gates? No.
Your personal freedom is limited by the right to safety of others.
.
Talking of the sacrifices of lives by many, whilst complaining about wearing a bit of material over your face!! Really■■?
The speed I drive past a school is completely irrelevant. I can choose to drive past at 80mph if I want to. There may be consequences - but that’s my choice. Same with choosing to not wear a mask…
These “wear a face mask and be safe” supporters posts contradict yourselves… On the one hand you do want to force me to wear a mask to be safe. But on the other dont want me to wear full PPE. - which would actually serve your purpose much better. So you only want me to be a bit safe not very safe?
Make your minds up won’t you? [emoji2357][emoji2357][emoji23]
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I don’t want you to wear a mask to be safe. How can you argue a case against an argument you clearly haven’t even grasped?
Example from above
1st week Oct 2020 29,000 covid deaths in the UK
1st week Oct 2021 4,000 covid deaths.
Apart from vaccines what has changed?
.
And weren’t we far more restricted Oct 2020? Less death now in spite of moving around and mixing more.
Considering you once used a post that went over half a page to demonstrate ‘statistics’ can be manipulated to represent anything you want them to, I’m surprised you quote some.
What’s changed? I here you ask. Flu, cancer, road accidents are becoming fashionable again, after dropping out of the top picks last year. You yourself was involved in a discussion, supported by many pro-jab experts that many old or vulnerable people, who had a life expectancy of months, succumbed to Covid last year. If there wasn’t this new virus, (and yes, I do believe there is one) would not have been in last years figures but appeared in this year’s.
They was a proffessor on LBC earlier this year stating that what classifies as a ‘Covid case’, needs to be recalibrated. He was one of the panelists advising the government. Either the JCVI or Sage. Apologies, I can’t recall all the details. It was something like, ‘Prof Portsmouth’ or something. Definitely the name of a west country place name.
But a few things…
‘Statistics’ are tools as are words.
They can be manipulated to tell lies exactly as words can.
I try to use statistics responsibly and honestly as I try to use words in the same fashion.
Blanket statements dismissing the use of stats, are as valid as saying that since words are used to lie, we should ignore all words.
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Who was talking about those with “only a few months of life left” dying from COVID. Another example of not understanding the terms used. Someone who is at risk from Covid may have expected years of life.
The current average age of a male in the UK is about 81years.
A male of 81yrs old today can expect to live to 89.
A 75 year old can reasonably expect ten more years of life.
70 and 80 year olds aren’t coffin dodgers, but they are vulnerable to COVID.
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"Other causes of death are becoming fashionable "?
COVID is becoming less of a cause of death? Then there is the simple evidence you were after that the vaccine is working.
.
I have a good friend who works and lives in Muscat in Oman. I speak with him on a regular basis.
My point is we discuss the difference in restrictions there compared to the UK amongst other stuff.
He tells me EVERYONE sticks to the rules. They all wear masks when they are asked and have all taken their vaccinations when asked.
I wonder why their figures are so low and ours are so high? Very strange.
jakethesnake:
I wonder why their figures are so low and ours are so high? Very strange.
Great Britain ranks at 52nd in the league table of population density with 717 people per square mile. Muscat (Oman) ranks 222nd with a population density of 40 people per square mile. Not so strange really
jakethesnake:
I wonder why their figures are so low and ours are so high? Very strange.
Great Britain ranks at 52nd in the league table of population density with 717 people per square mile. Muscat (Oman) ranks 222nd with a population density of 40 people per square mile. Not so strange really
Good point.
But most of the Oman population is around the coast and almost half is around Muscat.
So, I looked at comparing Muscat to London and Manchester. Seems that Muscat still has only tenth or so the pop density of UK cities. That’ll certainly help keep infection rates down.
Singapore is a more densely populated city than London, but has only a tiny fraction of the UK cities’ covid problem. Mask wearing is widespread and strongly enforced there.
Maybe that is more relevant?
Franglais:
‘Statistics’ are tools as are words.
They can be manipulated to tell lies exactly as words can.
I try to use statistics responsibly and honestly as I try to use words in the same fashion.
I get your point, but you therefore seem to suggest any stat your disagree with is somehow manipulated. And how can you be sure the stats you quote haven’t first been manipulated and presented to shade an event in favour of one side? I may be wrong, but i find it unlikely any of us has access to the raw data, so we all have to rely on an interpretation of it.
Franglais:
Who was talking about those with “only a few months of life left” dying from COVID.
There was a convo somewhere on these boards (sorry about the non specific ref.) where the death figures for the previous years and this year was discussed. Iirc ‘3 years’ was given as an example then used in an ‘out of context’ argument. What I have tried to do, is take words from a GP in an LBC discussion to highlight the same fact.
Franglais:
COVID is becoming less of a cause of death? Then there is the simple evidence you were after that the vaccine is working.
.
Franglais:
‘Statistics’ are tools as are words.
They can be manipulated to tell lies exactly as words can.
I try to use statistics responsibly and honestly as I try to use words in the same fashion.
I get your point, but you therefore seem to suggest any stat your disagree with is somehow manipulated. And how can you be sure the stats you quote haven’t first been manipulated and presented to shade an event in favour of one side? I may be wrong, but i find it unlikely any of us has access to the raw data, so we all have to rely on an interpretation of it.
Franglais:
Who was talking about those with “only a few months of life left” dying from COVID.
There was a convo somewhere on these boards (sorry about the non specific ref.) where the death figures for the previous years and this year was discussed. Iirc ‘3 years’ was given as an example then used in an ‘out of context’ argument. What I have tried to do, is take words from a GP in an LBC discussion to highlight the same fact.
Franglais:
COVID is becoming less of a cause of death? Then there is the simple evidence you were after that the vaccine is working.
.
There’s dem stats again…
We go back to:
If you’re right about masks, what real damage has wearing a mask done?
If I’m right about masks…
Seems an absolutely stupid matter to die in a ditch over
Still, we are fortunate to have people prepared to take such a valiant stand…
jakethesnake:
I wonder why their figures are so low and ours are so high? Very strange.
Great Britain ranks at 52nd in the league table of population density with 717 people per square mile. Muscat (Oman) ranks 222nd with a population density of 40 people per square mile. Not so strange really
I thought that would be the first reason given but I doubt that’s the only factor.
jakethesnake:
I wonder why their figures are so low and ours are so high? Very strange.
Great Britain ranks at 52nd in the league table of population density with 717 people per square mile. Muscat (Oman) ranks 222nd with a population density of 40 people per square mile. Not so strange really
Good point.
But most of the Oman population is around the coast and almost half is around Muscat.
So, I looked at comparing Muscat to London and Manchester. Seems that Muscat still has only tenth or so the pop density of UK cities. That’ll certainly help keep infection rates down.
Singapore is a more densely populated city than London, but has only a tiny fraction of the UK cities’ covid problem. Mask wearing is widespread and strongly enforced there.
Maybe that is more relevant?
I think you are quite correct about the relevance however my friend sent me the daily figures from Oman and I wanted to see others opinions although I had a rough idea of some already.
Franglais:
‘Statistics’ are tools as are words.
They can be manipulated to tell lies exactly as words can.
I try to use statistics responsibly and honestly as I try to use words in the same fashion.
I get your point, but you therefore seem to suggest any stat your disagree with is somehow manipulated. And how can you be sure the stats you quote haven’t first been manipulated and presented to shade an event in favour of one side? I may be wrong, but i find it unlikely any of us has access to the raw data, so we all have to rely on an interpretation of it.
Franglais:
Who was talking about those with “only a few months of life left” dying from COVID.
There was a convo somewhere on these boards (sorry about the non specific ref.) where the death figures for the previous years and this year was discussed. Iirc ‘3 years’ was given as an example then used in an ‘out of context’ argument. What I have tried to do, is take words from a GP in an LBC discussion to highlight the same fact.
Franglais:
COVID is becoming less of a cause of death? Then there is the simple evidence you were after that the vaccine is working.
.
There’s dem stats again…
We go back to:
If you’re right about masks, what real damage has wearing a mask done?
If I’m right about masks…
Seems an absolutely stupid matter to die in a ditch over
Still, we are fortunate to have people prepared to take such a valiant stand…
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You do realise that masks are just as likely to kill you as they are to save you from Covid?
All the germs they harbour. The restriction of oxygen and the CO2 that you rebreathe.
Compared with no protection from Covid. Masks are meant to stop sneezes and spit in an operating theatre when your hands are full as well as to stop arterial bleeds going straight into your mouth. Nothing to do with how Covid is transmitted.
Their main benefit is a visible sign to maintain and spread fear
Franglais:
‘Statistics’ are tools as are words.
They can be manipulated to tell lies exactly as words can.
I try to use statistics responsibly and honestly as I try to use words in the same fashion.
I get your point, but you therefore seem to suggest any stat your disagree with is somehow manipulated. And how can you be sure the stats you quote haven’t first been manipulated and presented to shade an event in favour of one side? I may be wrong, but i find it unlikely any of us has access to the raw data, so we all have to rely on an interpretation of it.
Franglais:
Who was talking about those with “only a few months of life left” dying from COVID.
There was a convo somewhere on these boards (sorry about the non specific ref.) where the death figures for the previous years and this year was discussed. Iirc ‘3 years’ was given as an example then used in an ‘out of context’ argument. What I have tried to do, is take words from a GP in an LBC discussion to highlight the same fact.
Franglais:
COVID is becoming less of a cause of death? Then there is the simple evidence you were after that the vaccine is working.
.
There’s dem stats again…
We go back to:
If you’re right about masks, what real damage has wearing a mask done?
If I’m right about masks…
Seems an absolutely stupid matter to die in a ditch over
Still, we are fortunate to have people prepared to take such a valiant stand…
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You do realise that masks are just as likely to kill you as they are to save you from Covid?
All the germs they harbour. The restriction of oxygen and the CO2 that you rebreathe.
Compared with no protection from Covid. Masks are meant to stop sneezes and spit in an operating theatre when your hands are full as well as to stop arterial bleeds going straight into your mouth. Nothing to do with how Covid is transmitted.
Their main benefit is a visible sign to maintain and spread fear
What “germs do masks harbour”?
The ones floating about on water droplets that the mask might stop getting into your lungs?
Or the ones that you are breathing out…?
You know? The ones already in your body!
.
We have someone telling us that paint vapours aren’t stopped by masks, now we have you telling us that gases are stopped by the mask…
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Franglais:
‘Statistics’ are tools as are words.
They can be manipulated to tell lies exactly as words can.
I try to use statistics responsibly and honestly as I try to use words in the same fashion.
I get your point, but you therefore seem to suggest any stat your disagree with is somehow manipulated. And how can you be sure the stats you quote haven’t first been manipulated and presented to shade an event in favour of one side? I may be wrong, but i find it unlikely any of us has access to the raw data, so we all have to rely on an interpretation of it.
Franglais:
Who was talking about those with “only a few months of life left” dying from COVID.
There was a convo somewhere on these boards (sorry about the non specific ref.) where the death figures for the previous years and this year was discussed. Iirc ‘3 years’ was given as an example then used in an ‘out of context’ argument. What I have tried to do, is take words from a GP in an LBC discussion to highlight the same fact.
Franglais:
COVID is becoming less of a cause of death? Then there is the simple evidence you were after that the vaccine is working.
.
There’s dem stats again…
We go back to:
If you’re right about masks, what real damage has wearing a mask done?
If I’m right about masks…
Seems an absolutely stupid matter to die in a ditch over
Still, we are fortunate to have people prepared to take such a valiant stand…
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You do realise that masks are just as likely to kill you as they are to save you from Covid?
All the germs they harbour. The restriction of oxygen and the CO2 that you rebreathe.
Compared with no protection from Covid. Masks are meant to stop sneezes and spit in an operating theatre when your hands are full as well as to stop arterial bleeds going straight into your mouth. Nothing to do with how Covid is transmitted.
Their main benefit is a visible sign to maintain and spread fear
Nothing to do with hands being full but everything to do with the mitigation of harmful bacteria from your mouth and nose.
Note the word ‘mitigation’.
Ie…reduce.
As for masks killing someone, please provide evidence of this.
The perfect response to an incredibly boring and willfully agitating contributor.