This is a proper LCV. It even has a 13spd Fuller to keep Carryfast happy!
41m overall length
9 axles
63.5t GVW
100km/h speed limit
Although I try to avoid it, I can make it go backwards if I have to.
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newmercman:
This is a proper LCV. It even has a 13spd Fuller to keep Carryfast happy!41m overall length
9 axles
63.5t GVW
100km/h speed limit
To be fair that beast is really a product of its environment. 
While something along these lines would work better here.
Too many axles for too little gain, those Scandinavian style 6x2/4 prime mover + tandem A frame dolly and tandem/triaxle 13.6m trailers would be the best bet for Europe.
Easy enough to get about with one and you’d get a 50% increase in volume and at a GVW of 60 tonnes (with a triaxle trailer) would keep all axles within current weight regs.
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newmercman:
Too many axles for too little gain, those Scandinavian style 6x2/4 prime mover + tandem A frame dolly and tandem/triaxle 13.6m trailers would be the best bet for Europe.Easy enough to get about with one and you’d get a 50% increase in volume and at a GVW of 60 tonnes (with a triaxle trailer) would keep all axles within current weight regs.
I’d guess that’s probably rightly where they’re going with that configuration being widely proposed through Benelux and Germany to add to scandinavia.But the NZ outfits seem to have a conservative axle weight limit for some reason. 
When there shouldn’t really be any problem in a 4 + 5 let alone 5 + 5 configuration at least being expected to provide around 70t capacity.Which I’d guess would work better in the case of maybe hauling a 20 ft + 40 ft container for example.
Which as I said leaves that question is our training regime fit for purpose within that likely possible future environment in the medium to long term.
Carryfast:
newmercman:
This is a proper LCV. It even has a 13spd Fuller to keep Carryfast happy!41m overall length
9 axles
63.5t GVW
100km/h speed limitTo be fair that beast is really a product of its environment.
While something along these lines would work better here.
With 36 wheels and gross weight of 53 also looks to be a product of its environment. Surface bearing restrictions. Compared with UK which is turning radius and road dimensions restrictive.
Carryfast:
The close coupled outfit is the worst of all worlds to instruct new drivers because it doesn’t have either the extra complication of A frames,which will obviously be essential if we eventually do join the LHV programme,when reversing.Nor the characteristics of artics going forward at least.With C + E providing the possibility now,which class 1 should arguably always have been,along the lines of if someone can reverse a standard A frame outfit they can probably reverse anything and artics are just then a case of allowing for the differences in cut in characteristics.Which I’d guess is the logical idea which the C + E category was/is actually taken for granted as being,in terms of the training regime,at least in Germany etc.With the difference in that C + E training regime being obvious in examples like these as opposed to here.In which Brit new drivers are being let down by that regime v their German counterparts.
youtube.com/watch?v=0ReE4M2FHfM
youtube.com/watch?v=vbbGexPL3sI
As for Germany staying with 40 t gross on an 8 axle LHV I didn’t know that.
Have you even looked at the youtube pieces I have put into my post, one is of a close coupled trailer behind a artic.
If you want to drive an lzv in holland you need to take an extra test with an lzv loaded to at least 35 tons, have a hgv licence for 5 years or more and have not been banned from driving for at least 3 years.
So, for driving a lzv, nothing prepares you for a double, you have to learn, ask NMM 
Even reversing an a frame drawbar, albeit a very long one, and I can assure you, if you look into your mirrors, it definatly looks very long. ( I hope this comes out right 
), you have to learn, but even as they are not common in the UK, I see people reversing them, and reversing them well.
well, as long as we do not start with these,
youtube.com/watch?v=6xGRv0oTK3Q
Germany will stick with the 40 tons, there is allready much opposition as it is, hgv do not score well with the average german car driver 
James the cat:
With 36 wheels and gross weight of 53 also looks to be a product of its environment. Surface bearing restrictions. Compared with UK which is turning radius and road dimensions restrictive.
You’d need to be familiar with the road behaviour of standard length A frames to realise that a rigid pulling a 45 foot trailer isn’t going to present much,if any,difference in it’s road space requirements than that of a standard artic.Which is why that seems to be where the trials are all rightly heading.At which point the uk might then be able to gain an advantage by adding the option of 4 + 5 operation to the established 3 + 5 configuration in that regard.It probably also explains why the Germans are still keen on maintaining drawbar skills at the training stage among the new driver pool.
bald:
Have you even looked at the youtube pieces I have put into my post, one is of a close coupled trailer behind a artic.
If you want to drive an lzv in holland you need to take an extra test with an lzv loaded to at least 35 tons, have a hgv licence for 5 years or more and have not been banned from driving for at least 3 years.So, for driving a lzv, nothing prepares you for a double, you have to learn, ask NMM
Even reversing an a frame drawbar, albeit a very long one, and I can assure you, if you look into your mirrors, it definatly looks very long. ( I hope this comes out rightGermany will stick with the 40 tons, there is allready much opposition as it is, hgv do not score well with the average german car driver
Yes I know about the other possible LHV configurations but for the purposes of the most practical solution in Europe the 3 axle rigid pulling a 5 axle 45 foot drawbar trailer not surprisingly seems to be the favourite.In which case it’s reasonable to assume that familiarity with at least the standard length A frame drawbar configuration at the driver training stage would arguably be an asset to the industry’s future needs in that regard.As opposed to the typical Brit close coupled outfit C + E training regime which isn’t really fit for purpose whether for standard artics let alone a potentially more A frame drawbar focused industry in the longer term.
IE the point being the obvious difference in attitudes of the German C + E training regime in that regard.
As for the Dutch having an extra test are they now saying that there’s another class above C + E for Euro licence holders.IE E doesn’t seem to specify any maximum trailer size or weight limits.
Radar19:
newmercman:
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I remember not that long ago helping a driver who had been doing it over 30 years get the radio to work in the new Actros. He was amazed that I tuned it to all his stations that he asked me to. He told me he had spent the last 3 odd hours trying to figure it out, it took me less than 5 minutes. I think we (the young’uns) entering the industry now have the best of both worlds. Most of us have the nouse to pick up on how to drive the old kit whilst also being able to get our heads around all the new crap they keep coming up with.
Exactly what happened to me when I got in a Scania in 2007 I think. Young bloke from the office tuned it in for me and then had to do it again next day, cos I sodded it all up again. 
HGV test in an Auto ■■? WTF !!!
Should be made to take a test with a manual…
Carryfast:
New generation trucks that can’t handle the miles meet new generation drivers that can’t drive.
this is a brilliant quote! Mind if I knick it?.
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paxmanmerv:
Carryfast:
New generation trucks that can’t handle the miles meet new generation drivers that can’t drive.this is a brilliant quote! Mind if I knick it?.
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Never mind that it’s not true eh?
Geoffo:
HGV test in an Auto ■■? WTF !!!
Should be made to take a test with a manual…
Passed in an auto, can drive a manual just fine…
Radar19:
Geoffo:
HGV test in an Auto ■■? WTF !!!
Should be made to take a test with a manual…
Passed in an auto, can drive a manual just fine…
. Hmmmmm… This has got to be the way to go… Just use the clutch to start & stop… Quality…
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paxmanmerv:
Radar19:
Geoffo:
HGV test in an Auto ■■? WTF !!!
Should be made to take a test with a manual…
Passed in an auto, can drive a manual just fine…
. Hmmmmm… This has got to be the way to go… Just use the clutch to start & stop… Quality… youtu.be/SPNO3nm4n-g
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paxmanmerv:
paxmanmerv:
Radar19:
Geoffo:
HGV test in an Auto ■■? WTF !!!
Should be made to take a test with a manual…
Passed in an auto, can drive a manual just fine…
. Hmmmmm… This has got to be the way to go… Just use the clutch to start & stop… Quality… youtu.be/SPNO3nm4n-g
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If someone took the time to teach me how to drive an old Twinsplit I’d be well happy. I only started driving lorries two years ago, only ever driven 4 over 4’s, knockovers and standard 6 speeds as well as autos. I’m currently driving one of those 3 pedal semi auto junk pile from Scania.
Radar19:
paxmanmerv:
paxmanmerv:
Radar19:
Geoffo:
HGV test in an Auto ■■? WTF !!!
Should be made to take a test with a manual…
Passed in an auto, can drive a manual just fine…
. Hmmmmm… This has got to be the way to go… Just use the clutch to start & stop… Quality… youtu.be/SPNO3nm4n-g
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Got an Iveco Eurotech here with a twin split, for sale with a huge vintage engine on a turntable trailer I took round the shows. Have the lot & in a couple of hours you will have got past banging out rule Britannia on the gearbox & entered the dark world of exhibiting at steam fairs. [emoji4]
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What is “old junk” actually? Is it faults that should deem the truck off as VOR, or is it one with an analogue tacho, manual gearbox and an iffy radio?
had an assessment a few years ago on a Leyland thrupenny bit cab [think I spelt it right,not sure though] this was for bentalls department store in Kingston surrey[my home town]this vehicle had a crash box and I just could not get it right,some crunching gears later the assessor said sorry mate you haven’t passed,i replied ok and pulled up on the one way and jumped out,he shouted you cant leave it here,i replied watch me and walked home,he was not impressed,they had modern leylands with synchro boxes but allways sent prospective drivers out on the heap for the assessment,incidentally are bentalls wagons still around,not seen them for ages,last place I saw their transport depot was near Bracknell just off the M3 junction 4 [I think]
truckman020:
had an assessment a few years ago on a Leyland thrupenny bit cab [think I spelt it right,not sure though] this was for bentalls department store in Kingston surrey[my home town]this vehicle had a crash box and I just could not get it right,some crunching gears later the assessor said sorry mate you haven’t passed,i replied ok and pulled up on the one way and jumped out,he shouted you cant leave it here,i replied watch me and walked home,he was not impressed,they had modern leylands with synchro boxes but allways sent prospective drivers out on the heap for the assessment,incidentally are bentalls wagons still around,not seen them for ages,last place I saw their transport depot was near Bracknell just off the M3 junction 4 [I think]
Blimey if you’re describing a Leyland FG and Bentalls when it existed in its own right that has to be a lot more than a few years ago.From memory the FG had the same engine and driveline as the WF which I liked but the FG was a much more uncomfortable retrograde thing to drive with the steering and pedal positions being a joke.
As for Bentalls and Kingston Bentalls was sold out and then split up into small seperate tenant departments and un recognisable now apart from the outside preserved facade.While the town is gradually,like Croydon,being turned into a high rise inner city type zb hole by London developers.The rot having set in decades ago when it was handed over to London and the Norbiton high rise blocks went up.Which they’re now adding to in addition to taking out the riverside end of the town and anywhere else they decide to buy up. 