why do we need them if we have delivery notes
They form part of the insurance contract between the consignor and the haulier.
A CMR is a legal document that has to be completed fully for any goods carried on an international journey. Sometimes even for an empty container or lift tank
CMR insurance is based on a higher rate than RHA / FTA
It is worked out by using what is known as Special Drawing Rights of 8.33 SDR per kilo
The value of the SDR was initially defined as equivalent to 0.888671 grams of fine gold–which, at the time, was also equivalent to one U.S. dollar. After the collapse of the Bretton Woods system in 1973, however, the SDR was redefined as a basket of currencies,today consisting of the euro, Japanese yen, pound sterling, and U.S. dollar. The U.S. dollar-value of the SDR is posted daily on the IMF’s website.
There are alternatives to the CMR. In France they use a simplified version for local traffic and in Germany they also use a simplified Frachbrief for local traffic (Nahverkehr) or use a standard Frachtbrief for long distance haulage (Fernverkehr)
Well you did ask 
Hitch, is your truck the one with the skeleton in the window?
The CMR convention standardises the conditions governing the contract for cross border road transport, and the documents to be used. It also limits the transporters liability. There is no set standard for a delivery note and in some countries, such as the UK, it varies from company to company. The CMR is easily recognisable and readable by enforcement authorities, with the same information going in each numbered box regardless of country of origin, with a couple of exceptions on a UK CMR.
By using a CMR and running under that convention everybody involved in the movement of the goods from A to B knows the conditions of the carriage. If it wasn’t done under CMR the individual conditions of carriage for each participant in the transport chain would need to be checked every time. If the sender knows the conditions of carriage of the first transporter and is happy with them that would be fine. However if they then passed it onto a second transporter the customer may have no knowledge of their conditions and they may not be suitable for their needs, the liability may be insufficient for instance. The CMR convention means everyone knows the limits and, for example, if necessary they can arrange extra insurance if required. I often used to carry high value loads of computer or telecom equipment which the liability under CMR would not be enough to cover. The transport was still carried out under CMR conditions but the sender would take out an additional insurance policy to cover the difference between CMR liability and the value of the goods.
Don’t be caught running without a CMR when it is required as the fines can be very high. You will even be fined for missing information on the CMR as well, things like no weight being shown are a sure way to lose a chunk of Euros.
Bloody nerds!!!
Spacemonkeypg:
Bloody nerds!!!
CMR has been an important part of my job for 18 years, and you tend to know stuff about your job I’ve found. 
yeah cmr is used for transport document tir if traveling through more than one country/border (eu classed as one).
thats all you need to know neil
however knowledge is power and all that
Spacemonkeypg:
yeah cmr is used for transport document tir if traveling through more than one country/border (eu classed as one).thats all you need to know neil
however knowledge is power and all that
Should we tell him, Malc / Neil
montana man:
Spacemonkeypg:
yeah cmr is used for transport document tir if traveling through more than one country/border (eu classed as one).thats all you need to know neil
however knowledge is power and all that
Should we tell him, Malc / Neil
Nah, leave him in the wrong, seems I was wrong about people knowing stuff about their job after all.
My question is - Is all knowledge power or when you are so wide of the mark is it not as powerful?
All drivers are equal…but some are more equal than others
When I used to bring the small dumpy beer bottles in from France to the Aldi RDC’s, CMR also stood for Chauffer Must Rest. No way after a six and half hour drive from dover to middleton was I going in the back with an electric pump truck so I would get the CMR and tell them it was against the law for drivers on international runs to help with the unloading and thats what CMR meant. 
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Good one paul but did you get away with it.
Yes I did Dave, even Kenny told me not to help tip and as it was about a week before xmas and we were bringing another 5 loads in that week they finally after 4 hours tipped it themselves. I told them that I was the owner and I would take it to our depot and charge the storage and the other 5 loads wouldnt arrive till after xmas. If you remember it was when we were doing those loads out of St Omer.
Dave I still refuse to tip at those self tip places to the extent now that my firm wont even send me there.
Great to see you again the other day after all those years, will get over again soon the wife cant wait to meet you and we still got years of memories to catch up on.
Paul
Paul:
When I used to bring the small dumpy beer bottles in from France to the Aldi RDC’s, CMR also stood for Chauffer Must Rest. No way after a six and half hour drive from dover to middleton was I going in the back with an electric pump truck so I would get the CMR and tell them it was against the law for drivers on international runs to help with the unloading and thats what CMR meant.
Spot-on Paul, I’ve spent many happy hours on my bunk, because of CMR conditions, for the reason you gave.
However, I’ve heard that CMR also stands for Cash May Resuscitate - handy when it suits you isn’t it 
dieseldave:
However, I’ve heard that CMR also stands for Cash May Resuscitate - handy when it suits you isn’t it
I’ve used both versions on many occasions, and had success with both as well.
Spacemonkeypg:
yeah cmr is used for transport document tir if traveling through more than one country/border (eu classed as one).thats all you need to know neil
If only life were that simple. 
When travelling beyond the EU as you said, have you considered whether the counties who subscribe to the TIR system ALSO subscribe to the CMR system and vice versa
i was under the impression that a tir accompanied with a relevant cmr was recognised by most if not all nations. to be honest i cant imagine a truck leaving england going to anywhere not using tir for international journeys
Spacemonkeypg:
to be honest i cant imagine a truck leaving england going to anywhere not using tir for international journeys
I would be surprised if the amount leaving England and running under TIR these days was more than a few percent. Running under CMR does not mean you are running under TIR as well.
the turks where the last i think but thats now gone as bulgaria is in the eu
dieseldave:
Spacemonkeypg:
yeah cmr is used for transport document tir if traveling through more than one country/border (eu classed as one).thats all you need to know neil
If only life were that simple.
When travelling beyond the EU as you said, have you considered whether the counties who subscribe to the TIR system ALSO subscribe to the CMR system
if only Dave
and then of course there is the ATA as well as TIR carnet
You just had to go and throw another acronym into the alphabet soup didn’t you MM.
You are just going to confuse him more now, as if being 100% confused on the CMR thing wasn’t enough.