CMRs

[harry_monk]

Spacemonkeypg:
i was under the impression that a tir accompanied with a relevant cmr was recognised by most if not all nations. to be honest i cant imagine a truck leaving england going to anywhere not using tir for international journeys

Or an ATA carnet.

I once did a three-month European tour on an ATA carnet, but also had a TIR carnet as Russia and Ukraine did not at that time recognise ATA.

I was told to use ATA “where possible” and the bottom line is that when I arrived by boat in Turkey, they were a bit puzzled as to how I had arrived there from the Bobrowniki land border in Poland.

Three days in the port and a 300 mile round trip by taxi later…

[spacemonkeypg]

carnetTIR in one hand engine crank handle in the other era here then

[montana_man]

Spacemonkeypg:
carnetTIR in one hand engine crank handle in the other era here then

Actually I had a problem very similar involving a lengthy stay at Frankfurt an Oder and a lot of running by car to Warsaw and only 10 ish years ago

and very uncomfortable it was in that Borderer cab

[coffeeholic]

Spacemonkeypg:
carnetTIR in one hand engine crank handle in the other era here then

You started it. It was a question about CMR’s until you took it off in a different direction.

[montana_man]

unece.org/trans/conventn/cmr_e.pdf
The CMR Treaty of 1956 in full

Knowledge is power as they say

[dieseldave]

montana man:
if only Dave

and then of course there is the ATA as well as TIR carnet

Yeah MM and Harry Monk, I did my share of both of those as well, plus loads of “open” TIR, now that was fun!

Then, of course, there was a NATO carnet as well and a Carnet de Passage en Douane. Come to think of it, we had carnets coming out of our ears back then! Remember the days when you needed a TIR carnet for Spain? I do! One of my former bosses told me that in the 60’s he used to need TIR for Italy! Try telling that to the youngsters of today… they’d probably laugh at us.

To get back to the original question, I’ve always explained to International CPC candidates that CMR is a standardised contract, with all that that entails. The idea being that all the different parties to that convention all have differing domestic legal systems, and that by using the CMR convention, everybody involved knows that the system is the same in all signatory countries.

[spacemonkeypg]

one thing someone told me was, under a cmr say you have a load from Italy to B&Q in runcorn for example and one of the pallets is damaged they are not allowed to refuse the load adn have to accept it including the damaged cargo. Dont know if that right or not

[wheel_nut]

Is Spacedoutmonkey getting ever so slightly confused with the Single Adminiistrative Document. SAD isn’t it

T1, T2 etc

Then you can bring CEMT books into the argument and confuse us all

[spacemonkeypg]

ahhhh get bent the lot of you.

[coffeeholic]

Spacemonkeypg:
one thing someone told me was, under a cmr say you have a load from Italy to B&Q in runcorn for example …

Well, according to your earlier post.

Spacemonkeypg:
yeah cmr is used for transport document tir if traveling through more than one country/border (eu classed as one).

you wouldn’t need a CMR for that as you haven’t been in more than one country or crossed a border.

Spacemonkeypg:
(eu classed as one)

so I wouldn’t worry about it.

It’s another Driver’s Urban Myth, the consignee can refuse to accept the goods, most likely to happen on chilled transport I would think.

[spacemonkeypg]

if you want to be pedantic neil i can write a lonmg winded diretribe about it. however you of all people know what point i was trying to put accross.

i have used both carnetTIR and CMR’S (with the exception of getting accross Hungary on my first trip without stamping in, and only finding out on the Nadlac border) without problems.

i have driven as far as east to turkey on TIR and as far south as North Africa on a cmr, as well as most european cities. I am 28 next week and passed my class 1 (c+e) at 21, so in this day and age that is good going i think you would agree.

so dont take the urine eh?

[coffeeholic]

I would agree that is a very good thing. You started the ■■■■ taking anyway.

Seriously thought the first post was about why we need CMR instead of delivery notes, not what is a CMR and Wheelnut and I attempted to explain that. Answering what it was is easy and could be done in a sentence or two.

I have to say your first answer was way, way off the mark for someone with your experience. But, we all knew you were getting CMR’s and Carnets confused but this is a drivers forum and what is the one thing drivers do best? Actually it is the second thing after whinging, they like to take the ■■■■ and you did leave yourself wide open for a bit of ■■■■ taking, don’t you agree?

[spacemonkeypg]

[hitch]

thankyou all
the only cmr we get is consigning the goods to BET Radway Green
everything else is delivery notes to individual customers

[stephen]

i did some open tir and we used to get planks of wood and nail two or three cases together to make it into less packages on the carnet as i believe you were only allowed severn pieces on open tir