Hi.
Im a newbie to the site. Hope you are all well
Just wanted to pick your educated brains if I may…
ive booked in for my c+e training starting a week today.
Only trouble is my provider has booked me in for Tuesday and Wednesday then four days of Monday Tuesday then test on Wednesday! !!
Ive been told the 4 off in between is a very bad idea what is you guys opinions can it be done like this without too much to worry about…
Thanks for your help in advance.
Hi, and welcome.
I’ve recently done 4 days training and then test for C+E. What you describe actually doesn’t sound bad as some thinking/reflection time is no bad thing. All the best for your training
Tim
Provided your trainer is delivering structured training to you, there is no problem. It’s something we often have to do around Bank Holidays and there is no history of difficulties as a result.
All the best, Pete
Some do LGV training 1 day a week for a few weeks without any issues
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I did my training Saturday, Sunday & Monday (4 hours each day), then had 2 hours on Thursday before my test at 11:30, and passed no problem. So to answer your questions, I would say don’t worry.
What I did on my days of no training, is, I rehearsed my daily checks and uncoupling / re-coupling in my head. May sound weird, but believe me, it helps, I had no problems at all on the day because of this.
Another thing I did, which may be difficult, but once again, helped me no end, is I went on Google street view, and screen shot most of the difficult roundabouts and junctions and pasted them in to word (or print them, which ever you find easiest), and once again rehearsed how I would approach them (gear, positioning, etc).
As an example, the below junction requires me to look down the road I’m turning into on the left before turning as I need to cross into on coming traffic. So I would visualize me approaching this road, when to check mirrors, indicate, road positioning, appropriate gear, check the zebra crossing is clear and look for any pedestrians planning on crossing, looking down the road, and turning as no traffic is there, and stopping as if there is traffic.
I had twenty screen shots in total, and at least over half was on my test.
Good luck with your training and test.
Thanks for the reassurance.
I will do my best. Hopefully it will pay off…
Thanks again.
Had my first lesson today…
Went really well apparently im miles ahead of where I should be which is good…
After a very lot of… slow down slow down slow down and also make use of the available space!! I struggled a little with wanting to straddle every lane thinking of the size I over estimated a lot…lane pinching etc.
Off for the reverse tomorrow…
Sounds like you’ve had a good first days training… Are you training on an artic or a wagon and drag?
Its in the artic.
its all I will be driving if and when I pass so thought it would be better to train in that.
It was ok for a first day I think.
Hopefully the reverse is easily learnt… Tomorrow will tell.
Well done. Yeah, it was also a shock to me how many situations you can keep an artic within the lines!
I won’t deny that the reverse is a bit fun. Top tip is to take it slowly. If you struggle say so and I can share what helped me crack it but I don’t want to say anything until your instructor has taught you their approach first!
Sounds like you’re doing well. Don’t worry about the break in training, it will give you some time to reflect and a chance to relax in between before the test.
Have fun with the reverse and good luck with the test!
Well training was going so well then we started the reverse o crumbs !!!
What’s the problem?
Pete
Don’t panic, it’s very different to what we tend to expect, but if you ignore your instincts which tend to tell us to turn the wheel the wrong way and just think each move through you’ll be fine. Honest, been there!
Where to start, to start I do one and half right lock check my nearside mirror for object cone to line up with offside rear of trailer then bang left on to view the b cone this is where it goes wrong I keep making the same mistake not putting the lock on what is needed and either jack knife send trailer one way or the other and have to take a shunt before getting past the b cone…advice please !!!
Ok. Will share how I was taught which IMHO was a very good method, though it did take me 2 days practise to crack it. This will be a bit of an essay and I hope it helps, but this is a process that it notoriously difficult to put into words…
Start off as far left as you can.
Full right lock and set an angle as fast as you can (my trailer had letters on the front of it and I lined up a certain letter in the OS mirror against e edge of the unit, anyway, find a system to set the angle)
Once angle is set, stick head out of window and look at steering wheels, simply to help you remember which way to turn them, and straighten up, and back unit towards yellow line.
Watch back wheel of unit and when about 18 inches from yellow line, steer other way so unit becomes parallel with yellow line.
(Pause for thought here, you should now have unit parallel with yellow line and trailer pointing at an angle, and a tiny bit of space on the right of unit so in a minute you can take this angle ‘off’. This won’t be exactly the same each time so adjustment is usually needed:
Okay, now look in NS mirror and see if you can see the far left garage entrance cone. If you can’t, the trailer is in the way and the trailer is therefore already pointing clear of the marker cone. If you can, back the unit straight, parallel with yellow line still, until the left garage entrance cone vanishes ( going back straight has increased the trailer angle) Then you cannot possibly hit the marker cone, or at least you will see it first!
Ok, now the aim is to get the trailer and unit straight again, so look out of the window and steer as close as you can to the yellow line and the unit and trailer will straighten up.
Finally you want to create a gentle curve the other way, so keep the left lock on until you have a slight angle between unit and trailer, no more than the edges of a 50p. then head out of window again and maintain that angle by correcting the steering as you go. A common problem here is to create too great an angle, and this is a problem because there is still a lot of yard to cover before the garage.
If all goes well you should end up nearly straight and able to guide backwards into the garage. If you get confused which way to steer, don’t think circles. Say “I want trailer to move THIS way” and draw a horizontal line in the air. Then steer the other way.
I hope something in all this helps you, and I haven’t confused you. All the best. It does get easier, honest! Tim
Thanks tim.
Really is putting things into perspective.
I think I will talk with the trainer has he has put tape on the head board so when I first set off back on one and a half turns right as the head board pops out in my os mirror it comes out about 6 inch when I see two bits of black tape with a space of 2 inch in between them that space being green. He got me to hold that green area in my mirror until the left garage cone lined up with back edge of trailer then hard left…
But as the headboard went back and the b cone came into view I was skimming it every time. Causing me lots of work to try and bend it round and shove the trailer over not sure if im not putting on enough right to start with or taking on too much left too quick. Also trying to bend it round and shove it I found myself coming too close for comfort to the yellow line…
Tim’s description is good.
I favour learning to reverse in a straight line, then making gentle turns. The exercise is then a breeze.
IMO, big mistake to go straight to the exercise.
But that’s my opinion.
Hope it improves soon, Pete
It’s clear you’re being trained to do the exercise using this mark and that mark. Which is fine once you have the basics of reversing. But seems to me that these have been skipped over which is so often the case and can sometimes lead to hard work in the long run.
Pete
Nathan 121:
I think I will talk with the trainer has he has put tape on the head board so when I first set off back on one and a half turns right as the head board pops out in my os mirror it comes out about 6 inch when I see two bits of black tape with a space of 2 inch in between them that space being green. He got me to hold that green area in my mirror until the left garage cone lined up with back edge of trailer then hard left…
But as the headboard went back and the b cone came into view I was skimming it every time. Causing me lots of work to try and bend it round and shove the trailer over not sure if im not putting on enough right to start with or taking on too much left too quick. Also trying to bend it round and shove it I found myself coming too close for comfort to the yellow line…
Ok, that makes sense. His approach is setting a curve (one and half turn right), throwing the trailer out (bit in the middle) and following it it (that is the keep green area in mirror bit), then the hard left is straightening up the trailer and starting to set a curve the other way.
The key thing is that the bit that actually pushes the trailer out to the left is the bit IN BETWEEN the right one and half turn and the bit where you hold the green in the mirror. If you do the initial right slowly and then just linger around the green area the overall angle will be fairly shallow and you run the risk of being very near cone B (as you said)
So my guess is that this method probably relies on getting the right lock on very quickly at the beginning, and not being in a tearing hurry to steer left to find and hold the green in the mirror. Hope that helps, and my visualization of what is going on is right!
BTW I agree with Peter about straight line reversing first. If any consolation, I struggled a lot with the initial part of the reverse but got very good at sorting out the resulting mess. It wasn’t until day 4 I really cracked the beginning, and it was clearly understanding what I was trying to do with each step that made the difference.
Hang in there, you will do it!