Class 1 drivers wages

fuse:
I started just before the tacho came in 5or 6 years i think.I used a log book and with a little imagination I earned what I was worth.when the tacho rules came I got what I worked but worked longer ie 15 hour spread …what a joke and now after 35 years one can still do 15 hour spread…so without a union we can do nothing apart from change jobs.The tachograph I think was not really or safety although it may have helped but the real aim was what the truck was doing where it was etc,it is a spy in the cab just like most of us said …unions just half let it happen by letting us drive and work longer hours

As far as I remember it was a 12 and a half hour spread over was it not, pre tacho and for about 6 years later?
Enough for anybody imo, it should be re.introduced and wages adjusted accordingly…15 hour days/9 hours off?
It’s 2019/Century 21 ffs, and where is the correlation between those limits and health and safety?? , which is supposedly oh sooo important :bulb:
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I started just before the tacho came in 5or 6 years i think.I used a log book and with a little imagination I earned what I was worth.when the tacho rules came I got what I worked but worked longer ie 15 hour spread …what a joke and now after 35 years one can still do 15 hour spread…so without a union we can do nothing apart from change jobs.The tachograph I think was not really or safety although it may have helped but the real aim was what the truck was doing where it was etc,it is a spy in the cab just like most of us said …unions just half let it happen by letting us drive and work longer hours

on a serious note, I was up for the buttons until I saw they were mixed, from as young as I can remember being blonde hair and having to wear n/ health wire glasses, everyone force fed me milky bars I hated the things, so no mixed buttons for me.
and as for the glasses I hide them everywhere, in the oven, among the ashes of the fire, down the toilet, threw them up trees or in the hedge, then a stay in Westbourne eye hospital at about 7 or 8 job done, and I was given the cooper-jarrett-inc twin trailer lorry set made by lesney, a bigger boy thought he was going to swap my lorry for a broken fire engine, a quick black eye sorted that, even if all the world poured scorn upon me for fighting in a hospital, he did not try again though, and I still have it although well play worn and the other trailers and bits bought at jumble sales, 6 trailers 2 units 2 dollies, sorry I drifted off a bit then,

All the time people believing that “higher wages on agency” ain’t worth the “risk of getting fewer hours sometimes” - people will be content on £10ph rather than chase the higher rates.

If you’re a crap driver with 6-9 points on their licence - you won’t have any confidence to get a job elsewhere, so you’ll stick with your current firm’s low pay scales.

If you think “job ‘n’ knock” with “undertaking on roundabouts” being the main skill required to land a job these days rather than pottering along @ 50mph doing supermarket work for anywhere between £12 and £18ph - then I guess it is “stick with what you know”.

The next few days will see the unveiling of the Christmas Contracts for many an agency.
“November” would seem to be the WORST time of the year to “go full time”, and perhaps the BEST time of year to “suddenly lose one’s job” - providing one has the flexibility to go where the money is, rather than chase lower paid work that you’d rather be doing. I got laid off from my last full time job on October 24th last year. 90 minutes later, on the way home from that depot for the last time - I dropped into an agency, signed up, got a paid assessment/induction the very next day, and I’ve been getting as much work as I wanted ever since, albeit with some stupid-O-Clock starts thrown in. I also worked at RM over Christmas, and much to my surprise - got kept on flat-out until March. THIS Christmas, I’ll have enough on my plate with just the supermarket work, but with the added worry that THIS coming January-March “Lean period” - I might not be so fortunate.

This year too - will likely be different in the Christmas run-up, as some drivers will undoubtedly panic and take any old crappy full time contract going ahead of Christmas - in case Labour win the election, and immediately shut down all agencies, putting all agency people out of work on the spot.
Gee Thanks, “Working Man’s Party” - What would you like me to do next? Go around those criticising your party, and make sure they ‘disappear’? :imp:

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I’ve never voted Labour in my life. As a working man, I just cannot bring myself to vote myself out of work, higher taxes, lower benefits, and poorer public services, where everyone and his dog who pays less in than me - gets first dibs at everything.

We’re not voting for one party or another in this election - we’re voting for or against our right to exist by this point!

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oh hell HOTEL MAGNUM that has gone straight over my head is it my age :neutral_face:

Hotel magnum confused me as well. One minute he’s fighting over some toy lorry next he’s bragging about buying 2 dollies at a jumble sale :smiley:

yorkshire terrier:
Nothing will ever happen,I’m in West Yorkshire and know there’s plenty paying less than a tenner an hour and one even paying £9 and less than £11 overtime after 5O hour,but his drivers week in week out Max there hours out and race round for the bloke,and while you have drivers doing this the pay will never ever go up

Shipley?

May I suggest you take your Class 2. I’m on almost £4.50 p/h more than the new living wage. :smiley:

playmate222:
Something needs to be done about a drivers minimum wage going up in line with the living wage and inflation.

Contrary to popular belief pay rates are not a case of supply and demand.

Does anyone really believe London tube divers or dockers etc have their good conditions because they cannot get enough suitable applicants? Nope…didn’t think so.

Good pay rates are down to collective bargaining. We all suspend our labour tomorrow boss unless you give us a fair wage.

He has no problem doing that as long as the guy around the corner has to do likewise.
Then they all quote an increased rate per load causing a tin of beans to increase by .01p and everyone is happy.

So Yep, Joining a union is the only glimmer of hope.

Everyone with a licence should be in Unite or similar. Are they perfect…No…but what is?..but they are the only hope.

As they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating and this company’s drivers are very happy…
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And without a doubt unless you are on over £150K a year Labour is the only way to go in this election.

Transport workers and most other ordinary people are only barely making ends meet theses days and are much worse off than 20-30 years ago so what on earth have they got to loose by trying a new approach?

There will be another election in 5 years or much sooner if things ain’t working out too good if people want to switch back.

I really can’t understand drivers who think Old Etonians are the ones that will look after the working class people after their track record so far. I suppose they are so busy working hard that they believe the brainwashing and Tory scaremongering.

Completely Disagree with Winseer.

If you want change vote Labour.

At the worst at least all drivers will be on at-least £10ph.
Unions will not doubt get more rights so will also have more say in the workplace.

As for the argument that Labour will bankrupt the country I think its a poor one. Also
If you do not earn a lot of money than voting labour makes the most sense as any tax increase will likely not affect you.

My view of british politics is that it is a see-saw. Labour spend too much and then the tories come in with austerity. rinse and repeat. I think this has worked for quite a long time now and will continue to do so.

Lets also not forget that when Labour introduced the minium wage people like Winseer were not doubt claiming that this would bankrupt our country and put alot of companies out of business.

adam277:
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If you do not earn a lot of money than voting labour makes the most sense as any tax increase will likely not affect you.

Oh dear someone hasn’t been keeping up with things have they?

Labour pan to scrap the marriage allowance which will mean over 2 million people paying £250 more tax.

Labour also plan to bring in a dividend charge. This means someone who has a pension which consists of stocks and shares, which are most of them, would have to pay a dividend charge. It would mean someone who takes an annuity of £4k a year would pay an additional £400 in tax meaning someone who is getting a total pension income below the minimum personal allowance would pay £400 tax on that income a year.

Conor:

adam277:
Also
If you do not earn a lot of money than voting labour makes the most sense as any tax increase will likely not affect you.

Oh dear someone hasn’t been keeping up with things have they?

Labour pan to scrap the marriage allowance which will mean over 2 million people paying £250 more tax.

Labour also plan to bring in a dividend charge. This means someone who has a pension which consists of stocks and shares, which are most of them, would have to pay a dividend charge. It would mean someone who takes an annuity of £4k a year would pay an additional £400 in tax meaning someone who is getting a total pension income below the minimum personal allowance would pay £400 tax on that income a year.

Three steps forward, one step back.
Still in front.

ArcticMonkey:

yorkshire terrier:
Nothing will ever happen,I’m in West Yorkshire and know there’s plenty paying less than a tenner an hour and one even paying £9 and less than £11 overtime after 5O hour,but his drivers week in week out Max there hours out and race round for the bloke,and while you have drivers doing this the pay will never ever go up

Shipley?

No not them but I hear there not much better,wanting the Earth for naff all money

yorkshire terrier:

ArcticMonkey:

yorkshire terrier:
Nothing will ever happen,I’m in West Yorkshire and know there’s plenty paying less than a tenner an hour and one even paying £9 and less than £11 overtime after 5O hour,but his drivers week in week out Max there hours out and race round for the bloke,and while you have drivers doing this the pay will never ever go up

Shipley?

No not them but I hear there not much better,wanting the Earth for naff all money

That’s who i was thinking of but they aren’t on their own there’s another on the same street and a few more dotted around the Bradford area. I was taking my ADR last year and one of the lads who was on the course said he loved the job and he was under £9 a hour, away all week so they make it up with overnights and a tidy motor to soften the blow

ramone:
I was taking my ADR last year and one of the lads who was on the course said he loved the job and he was under £9 a hour, away all week so they make it up with overnights and a tidy motor to soften the blow

And there we have it :unamused: , like I said…Thick as pig ■■■■. :laughing: :laughing:
I bet his boss loves him eh?

robroy:

ramone:
I was taking my ADR last year and one of the lads who was on the course said he loved the job and he was under £9 a hour, away all week so they make it up with overnights and a tidy motor to soften the blow

And there we have it :unamused: , like I said…Thick as pig [zb]. :laughing: :laughing:
I bet his boss loves him eh?

The problem is, he’s not on his own

adam277:
Completely Disagree with Winseer.

If you want change vote Labour.

At the worst at least all drivers will be on at-least £10ph. I’ve not worked for less than £10ph since a decade ago.
Unions will not doubt get more rights so will also have more say in the workplace. Unions will keep the right to strike, but still won’t achieve anything by doing so if the firm simply shuts down, and moves abroad for a “softer regime”.

As for the argument that Labour will bankrupt the country I think its a poor one. Also It would bankrupt this country spending £28 that we don’t have yet compared to £1 out of the £4.32 that we DO. I would criticise the Tories for not spending closer to the £4.32 - but that’s something that can be ironed out in the next parliament.
If you do not earn a lot of money than voting labour makes the most sense as any tax increase will likely not affect you. If you’re on benefits - yes. Voting Labour does make absolute sense. Getting unemployment down then - crushes the Labour vote. :wink:

My view of british politics is that it is a see-saw. Labour spend too much and then the tories come in with austerity. rinse and repeat. I think this has worked for quite a long time now and will continue to do so. Labour promise to spend what they have not raised yet, and the Tories don’t spend what they’ve ALREADY raised anywhere near enough. That’s room for lots of extra Tory “upsides” as yet unmentioned, but with Labour - a load of flagship expensive policies -will end up being dropped. I used to vote Libdem until Brexit came along - just as a protest vote. But I always vote, and it sticks in my craw to have to make a similar choice to what the Americans made - the lesser of two evils - in this election.

Lets also not forget that when Labour introduced the minium wage people like Winseer were not doubt claiming that this would bankrupt our country and put alot of companies out of business.

Actually, I was in favour of a more vigorously implemented (and considerably higher!) minimum wage - where companies “undercutting that” - actually got suits being sent to jail as a result.
“Defrauding the Public”. The harshest implementation of a LIVING wage - would be a nice mixture of my stance Hard Left on Finance, Hard RIGHT on Law and Order. :wink:

I once ran a small business supplying office stationary, in particular computer peripherals. I struggled to break into corrupt markets where a large firm simply bribed officials and the buyers at another large outfit interested in buying the same line of products I sold - but at marked-up prices.

Think about how bent that is: I’m trying to flog 100 branded floppy disks for say, £25 to the local council/education authority/offices and the larger supplier does 100 of the SAME BRANDED DISK for £45 + VAT…

The only way the “buyer” is going to go for the LATTER deal - is if they’ve been bribed to shut out “fair competition” from people like me.
THIS is the way the EU works in spades of course. “Friendly to Big Business, and f— the rest”. :angry:

I closed the business down, before it went into the red in the end. :frowning:

Took a job at RM shortly after, got my car licence later that year, and got my HGV licence 3 years after that.

I’ve been anti those Pro EU Big Businesses my entire life - the Brexit Referendum - asked my opinion on that for the first time ever. I voted Leave, and even NOW that gets resisted.
Only I’m not alone any longer - am I?

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I guess I’ve always had a chip on my shoulder about how the rich use their cash and influence to f— over the ordinary worker, and I absolutely despise the “Champagne Socialist” of which Corbyn is one - regardless of those that would call him “Left Winger”.

He’s richer than Boris Johnson FFS!

yorkshire terrier:

ArcticMonkey:

yorkshire terrier:
Nothing will ever happen,I’m in West Yorkshire and know there’s plenty paying less than a tenner an hour and one even paying £9 and less than £11 overtime after 5O hour,but his drivers week in week out Max there hours out and race round for the bloke,and while you have drivers doing this the pay will never ever go up

Shipley?

No not them but I hear there not much better,wanting the Earth for naff all money

There is a long (s of leeds) list of ■■■■ firms in West Yorkshire that pay ■■■■ money, run knackered old trucks and expect the ■■■■■■■ earth from their drivers.

Knock on effect is that agency work tends to pay £11 per hour as well (supermarkets etc aside) when it should really be higher.

The bigger companies, the maritimes and downtons of the world who base themselves in Lèeds will always get and keep drivers there when these cowboy firms are paying £9 per hour.

Quicker some of them go the way of Bedfords the better

A driver told me last week but not sure this is true. Shipley take £25 a week off your wage to pay for all the fancy bling. I can’t believe that would be true unless someone else confirms this

ArcticMonkey:
A driver told me last week but not sure this is true. Shipley take £25 a week off your wage to pay for all the fancy bling. I can’t believe that would be true unless someone else confirms this

■■■■■■■ hell they won’t have much left at 9 per hour

I seen the bosses son rolling about in a blinged up Scania, S500 with his name on the door. Pulling a shipley trailer mind you.

So if even the bosses son doesn’t want to work for them, other than sub contracting it tells you everything you need to know.