Carryfast:
But assuming all the cyclists don’t want to use the pavements and all the drivers don’t want to work nights it looks like Boardman and Boris are zb’d.
It’s not only cyclists that don’t want bikes on the pavement. Pretty much every pedestrian in the country - which is basically every single one of us, at one time or another - will be dead against it, too.
Carryfast:
But assuming all the cyclists don’t want to use the pavements and all the drivers don’t want to work nights it looks like Boardman and Boris are zb’d.
It’s not only cyclists that don’t want bikes on the pavement. Pretty much every pedestrian in the country - which is basically every single one of us, at one time or another - will be dead against it, too.
Dipper_Dave:
you are naive at best to think any truck ban will ever come into play. Cyclist lobbies will never have enough power to bring London to an economic standstill…
So scuttle back to twitter and continue your dialogue but please don’t give the impression you speak for us all or that we have to tread on eggshells in expressing our opinion.
Oh and a serious conversation on Twitter is one of the biggest oxymorons of all time.
Blimey, someone didn’t really read my post did they.
I dont want a truck ban in London and nowhere did I say I did. Part of the reason for engaging them like an adult is so that they can see my side and stop calling for reactionary moves like this.
Read my post, I actually say very clearly about giving the views of this particular trucker not everyone. Lets face it going by Trucknet if I was going to talk for everyone I’d have to call them names like suicidal knob jockey. Again like point one nowhere did I say I was speaking for everyone.
Not used twitter have you? Its easily to belittle it from the outside and take ■■■■ out of the old ‘its just people taking about what they had for breakfast’ line but its actually a really powerful tool if used in the right way. It allows you to actually engage with Chris Boardman on this issue instead of just preaching to the converted on a forum. Twitter gets a lot more done than any forum ever has. ps Not once did I say ‘serious conversation’
You really must read posts more
10 out of 10 for the big words though, gold star for you.
Yes, I must read posts better all I saw was ‘Children please behave I’m trying to have a serious conversation on Twitter’ (small text smiley face )
Anyway how did you get on, did you get your points across, was Chris online?
Notice Boris is reported to be considering a rush hour ban, not sure how long it takes to get from ‘considering’ to ‘actioning’ though, definately not this side of 2014.
I posted the video of the bbc reporter out in a lorry in london yesterday to show what its like and got lots of positive feedback from friends who have never been in a lorry and my best mate who is a very keen cyclist shared it on his facebook and on some bike forums.
Sadly theres many on bike forums who rant and rave at vehicles same as some on here who rant at cyclists.
Twitter is the one to bring it to the masses and across a broad spectrum. This is an area where tfl could use social media to educate all road users.
Dipper_Dave:
Yes, I must read posts better all I saw was ‘Children please behave I’m trying to have a serious conversation on Twitter’ (small text smiley face )
Anyway how did you get on, did you get your points across, was Chris online?
Notice Boris is reported to be considering a rush hour ban, not sure how long it takes to get from ‘considering’ to ‘actioning’ though, definately not this side of 2014.
I’m getting on really well actually. Not had a response from Chris himself just yet but had a few large cycling groups tweet him on my behalf with a link to my blog post that started all off lorry-driver.com/2013/11/eno … e.html?m=1
I suppose my post did come across a but like that! I just want to make them see that lorry drivers aren’t all heartless and evil laughing at the bodies of cyclists they plough down! One of the points Ive been putting across to them is how devastating it is for the lorry driver too, killing someone in such a manner can ruin your life. I love London and actually enjoy driving there but gets ever stressful with the amount of cyclists. As you can see form my blog post I try to refrain from blaming cyclists or lorry drivers and instead focus on why a city such as London has such a terrible infrastructure. We all want bikes off the road onto safe cycle paths. And if everyone alike started working for that instead of shouting at each other maybe we can get somewhere.
I suppose the simplest solution is for all commercial vehicles travelling through London to be ’ left hookers’ this would give a greatly improved view of the danger zone and if the driver
was carrying a large club he could give cyclists acting like prats a ‘tap’ as they came alongside. Someone told me recently that cyclists now have narrower handlebars to enable them to
squeeze through traffic easier, is that a fact? Shame cycling at the Olympics was one of our successes inspiring thousands more to take up this activity, seems these accidents are the
so called Olympic Legacy. Bit like when a dog bites someone suddenly in the press that particular breed seems to be eating people every day. Cyclists, get real,BEHAVE!
Carryfast:
But assuming all the cyclists don’t want to use the pavements and all the drivers don’t want to work nights it looks like Boardman and Boris are zb’d.
It’s not only cyclists that don’t want bikes on the pavement. Pretty much every pedestrian in the country - which is basically every single one of us, at one time or another - will be dead against it, too.
Exactly.
‘Every single one of us’ would actually obviously include me.When I used a bicycle I only rode the thing on the pavement and ever since as a pedestrian I’ve got absolutely no problem with cyclists using the pavements within reason whenever and wherever possible.Just so long as cyclists show the same,much easier for them to provide,consideration for pedestrians as the,much more difficult if not impossible to provide,amount of consideration which cyclists currently expect from large vehicle drivers.
Dipper_Dave:
Yes, I must read posts better all I saw was ‘Children please behave I’m trying to have a serious conversation on Twitter’ (small text smiley face )
Anyway how did you get on, did you get your points across, was Chris online?
Notice Boris is reported to be considering a rush hour ban, not sure how long it takes to get from ‘considering’ to ‘actioning’ though, definately not this side of 2014.
I’m getting on really well actually. Not had a response from Chris himself just yet but had a few large cycling groups tweet him on my behalf with a link to my blog post that started all off lorry-driver.com/2013/11/eno … e.html?m=1
I suppose my post did come across a but like that! I just want to make them see that lorry drivers aren’t all heartless and evil laughing at the bodies of cyclists they plough down! One of the points Ive been putting across to them is how devastating it is for the lorry driver too, killing someone in such a manner can ruin your life. I love London and actually enjoy driving there but gets ever stressful with the amount of cyclists. As you can see form my blog post I try to refrain from blaming cyclists or lorry drivers and instead focus on why a city such as London has such a terrible infrastructure. We all want bikes off the road onto safe cycle paths. And if everyone alike started working for that instead of shouting at each other maybe we can get somewhere.
Bearing in mind that the cyclist lobby agenda is all about removing non existent road space from motorised vehicle users rather than sharing pavement space with pedestrians exactly how do you intend to provide these ‘safe cycle paths’ in your PC utopia.
kr79:
‘Every single one of us’ would actually obviously include me.When I used a bicycle I only rode the thing on the pavement and ever since as a pedestrian I’ve got absolutely no problem with cyclists using the pavements within reason whenever and wherever possible.Just so long as cyclists show the same,much easier for them to provide,consideration for pedestrians as the,much more difficult if not impossible to provide,amount of consideration which cyclists currently expect from large vehicle drivers.
Obviously it would include you, that was my point. While you may not have had a problem with cyclists on the pavement, that doesn’t give you the right to speak for those with small children or the elderly or anyone who might feel vulnerable faced with what is basically a vehicle invading their space. I don’t quite understand how you can’t grasp the concept that not all cyclists are pootlers out for a Sunday stroll, as it were. Racing cyclists, or even cyclists trying to get from here to there at 15mph, have no place on the pavement. And you never seem to realise that there isn’t a national network of pavements …
Putting cyclists on pavements assuming Carryfast won’t want to walk out of a shop doorway straight into the path of a oncoming cyclist, so we can suggest the cycle path being on the pavement at the edge of the road!!! A few problems here mainly Bus shelters, lamp posts, litter bins, communication junction boxes, pedestrian railings, in fact google image any London street scene and you will see how this is not workable!
kr79:
‘Every single one of us’ would actually obviously include me.When I used a bicycle I only rode the thing on the pavement and ever since as a pedestrian I’ve got absolutely no problem with cyclists using the pavements within reason whenever and wherever possible.Just so long as cyclists show the same,much easier for them to provide,consideration for pedestrians as the,much more difficult if not impossible to provide,amount of consideration which cyclists currently expect from large vehicle drivers.
Obviously it would include you, that was my point. While you may not have had a problem with cyclists on the pavement, that doesn’t give you the right to speak for those with small children or the elderly or anyone who might feel vulnerable faced with what is basically a vehicle invading their space. I don’t quite understand how you can’t grasp the concept that not all cyclists are pootlers out for a Sunday stroll, as it were. Racing cyclists, or even cyclists trying to get from here to there at 15mph, have no place on the pavement. And you never seem to realise that there isn’t a national network of pavements …
Dipper_Dave:
Yes, I must read posts better all I saw was ‘Children please behave I’m trying to have a serious conversation on Twitter’ (small text smiley face )
Anyway how did you get on, did you get your points across, was Chris online?
Notice Boris is reported to be considering a rush hour ban, not sure how long it takes to get from ‘considering’ to ‘actioning’ though, definately not this side of 2014.
I’m getting on really well actually. Not had a response from Chris himself just yet but had a few large cycling groups tweet him on my behalf with a link to my blog post that started all off lorry-driver.com/2013/11/eno … e.html?m=1
I suppose my post did come across a but like that! I just want to make them see that lorry drivers aren’t all heartless and evil laughing at the bodies of cyclists they plough down! One of the points Ive been putting across to them is how devastating it is for the lorry driver too, killing someone in such a manner can ruin your life. I love London and actually enjoy driving there but gets ever stressful with the amount of cyclists. As you can see form my blog post I try to refrain from blaming cyclists or lorry drivers and instead focus on why a city such as London has such a terrible infrastructure. We all want bikes off the road onto safe cycle paths. And if everyone alike started working for that instead of shouting at each other maybe we can get somewhere.
Bearing in mind that the cyclist lobby agenda is all about removing non existent road space from motorised vehicle users rather than sharing pavement space with pedestrians exactly how do you intend to provide these ‘safe cycle paths’ in your PC utopia.
Simple really, have proper cycle paths, doesn’t necessarily take space from roads, doesn’t even have to follow roads. You talk about my ‘PC utopia’ without understanding what I want. Plus it’s an utterly meaningless load of gobbledygook if ever I saw it. I’d like to see bikes off the road and on a proper cycle path network, like many cities have. So since we both want similar things why exactly are you attacking me?
The cycling lobby agenda is all about making sure that cyclists can use the roads safely, as is their right currently. How come my granddaughter can grasp this and you cannot? when I told her there is a person that wants all cyclists to ride on the pavement her reply was " well that’s just stupid". She’s 9
So Carryfast, since you have all these first class world beating ideas have you, as Ive suggested repeatedly, tried to put your point across to the people who matter? People who can utilise your genius with actions? Rather than a load of lorry drivers?
switchlogic:
So Carryfast, since you have all these first class world beating ideas have you, as Ive suggested repeatedly, tried to put your point across to the people who matter? People who can utilise your genius with actions? Rather than a load of lorry drivers?
Ooh, can I be there when Carryfast posts this idea on a forum for pedestrians? Can I can I can I, pleeeeeease?
chester:
Putting cyclists on pavements assuming Carryfast won’t want to walk out of a shop doorway straight into the path of a oncoming cyclist, so we can suggest the cycle path being on the pavement at the edge of the road!!! A few problems here mainly Bus shelters, lamp posts, litter bins, communication junction boxes, pedestrian railings, in fact google image any London street scene and you will see how this is not workable!
Which part of whenever and wherever possible don’t you understand.
