Franglais:
Agreed. Proper EuroLiners with drop sides and side rails are the way to go. As versatile as any XL sheeted tautliner. But they weigh a little more and cost a bit extra too.
Don’t ever remember drop sides etc ever removing the need to also tie a load down whether it was a 7.5 tonner D series drop sider flat or a tilt trailer.Ironically the continentals rarely seeming to spec tilts with rope hooks or other decent side anchorage creating a similar grey area as box trailers when it came to securing anything.Unlike the ones I used.
While curtainsiders went wrong from day 1 of their introduction in the ministry allowing the manufacturers to advertise the things as being both a get out of the need to sheet a load ‘and’ to secure it when the design was obviously only ever meant to provide the former.
commonrail:
Every lorry that leaves the glass factories of donny,Barnsley and knottingley will be secured with internals.
Sometimes 1 cross per 2 rows
Sometimes strapped down the side.
Surely easy pickings for vosa.
Oh wait…last time they took on a big company(stobarts)They got dealt a [zb] off tablet.
Bet the truck involved in the op is a small operator who doesn’t have the financial clout to take them on.
You mean a load of 52 pallets from ardagh only gets 8 straps per side.Meaning every lift of 4 pallets only gets 1 internal strap but its deemed as secure.Sound like the police and dvsa will soon be hammering alot of drivers and companies.
Yep every load of glass out of Ardagh or even Allied glass only get internals cross strapped through the top 2 pallets of every 4 then down the side so for every 8 pallets you have 2 internal straps holding them in. Been going on like this ever since I’ve carried glass and that’s 11 year. Always said it’s a nice little earner for the DVSA/VOSA but they say that’s how it’s to be strapped. How many glass loads do Malcolm’s pull?
Malcolms straps through every column of pallets using dolly’s on the straps.
Thing is, it stops the pallet moving but there’s nothing on the glass themselves sideways .
Live glass was a nightmare and number of times trailers came back with bulges of collapsed glass was quite a clean up!!
Never liked way it was done but that was their way. Should have had side webbing similar to some dray trailers
truckyboy:
Internals becoming obsolete then…so ratchet strap every load…if a load gets damaged…thats their problem for not packaging it correctly…shrink wrap and a wooden case would be ideal…its about time the responsibility was shared with the company who owns the goods…and the guys in the packaging dept…i always think Its my licence, my cash so strap it accordingly…one set of 5 x £20 notes was enough for me.
Exactly. I used to load out of Fullers earth at Redhill. Sheeted, roped and re tightened after hitting London. Nothing ever moved and it didn’t take long to do it right. Bloody curtain siders are the devils spawn.
Franglais:
Agreed. Proper EuroLiners with drop sides and side rails are the way to go. As versatile as any XL sheeted tautliner. But they weigh a little more and cost a bit extra too.
Don’t ever remember drop sides etc ever removing the need to also tie a load down whether it was a 7.5 tonner D series drop sider flat or a tilt trailer.Ironically the continentals rarely seeming to spec tilts with rope hooks or other decent side anchorage creating a similar grey area as box trailers when it came to securing anything.Unlike the ones I used.
While curtainsiders went wrong from day 1 of their introduction in the ministry allowing the manufacturers to advertise the things as being both a get out of the need to sheet a load ‘and’ to secure it when the design was obviously only ever meant to provide the former.
Dropsides and timber or alloy side boards don’t mean no need for straps altogether, I’ll agree, but do make things safer in my experience. Anything that isn’t a positive fit will still fall over sideways or backwards if not secured. Macinery and timber etc will still need loads of straps. But pallets of empty bottles or bottled liquids etc will be better off in a EuroLiner I’d reckon.
Edit. I’ll add that almost ANY load will shift in ANY trailer if driven like a dodgem!
peterm:
I used to load out of Fullers earth at Redhill. Sheeted, roped and re tightened after hitting London. Nothing ever moved and it didn’t take long to do it right. Bloody curtain siders are the devils spawn.
Realistically the idea of using a sheet to secure the load and the ropes to secure the sheet could also be a dodgy misnomer and curtain siders were/would have been fine used on the basis of the ropes secure the load and the sheet,or the curtains,only keep it dry.While if aggregates and earth etc were meant to be carried on a flat we wouldn’t have tippers.
truckyboy:
Internals becoming obsolete then…so ratchet strap every load…if a load gets damaged…thats their problem for not packaging it correctly…shrink wrap and a wooden case would be ideal…its about time the responsibility was shared with the company who owns the goods…and the guys in the packaging dept…i always think Its my licence, my cash so strap it accordingly…one set of 5 x £20 notes was enough for me.
Exactly. I used to load out of Fullers earth at Redhill. Sheeted, roped and re tightened after hitting London. Nothing ever moved and it didn’t take long to do it right. Bloody curtain siders are the devils spawn.
You’re welcome to keep your sheeted loads Peter, particularly on days when it’s blowing a gale and the rain is coming down sideways making the sheet twice as heavy. Sure, I might get a curtain pole smacking into the back of my fat head or a buckle round my chops but I’ll take that risk any day over using a sheet. Ropes and sheets rightly belong in the 70s and need to stay there.
Franglais:
Dropsides and timber or alloy side boards don’t mean no need for straps altogether, I’ll agree, but do make things safer in my experience. Anything that isn’t a positive fit will still fall over sideways or backwards if not secured. Macinery and timber etc will still need loads of straps. But pallets of empty bottles or bottled liquids etc will be better off in a EuroLiner I’d reckon
Drop sides certainly help and I did some general haulage with a tilt trailer which I generally used just like a curtain sider.But in all cases it’s still effectively just a flat that doesn’t need to be sheeted for weather protection and I still roped the loads carried ( usually stillages and other pallet loads ) accordingly.On that note I’d still prefer to have rope hooks fitted and use ropes than those mickey mouse roof anchored straps on a curtain sider as in the example shown.
Franglais:
Dropsides and timber or alloy side boards don’t mean no need for straps altogether, I’ll agree, but do make things safer in my experience. Anything that isn’t a positive fit will still fall over sideways or backwards if not secured. Macinery and timber etc will still need loads of straps. But pallets of empty bottles or bottled liquids etc will be better off in a EuroLiner I’d reckon
Drop sides certainly help and I did some general haulage with a tilt trailer which I generally used just like a curtain sider.But in all cases it’s still effectively just a flat that doesn’t need to be sheeted for weather protection and I still roped the loads carried ( usually stillages and other pallet loads ) accordingly.On that note I’d still prefer to have rope hooks fitted and use ropes than those mickey mouse roof anchored straps on a curtain sider as in the example shown.
Nowt wrong with ropes, except itd take a good few months to get my "soft as a babys bum" hands toughened up again.
Just an ole softy now I guess.
commonrail:
Every lorry that leaves the glass factories of donny,Barnsley and knottingley will be secured with internals.
Sometimes 1 cross per 2 rows
Sometimes strapped down the side.
Surely easy pickings for vosa.
Oh wait…last time they took on a big company(stobarts)They got dealt a [zb] off tablet.
Bet the truck involved in the op is a small operator who doesn’t have the financial clout to take them on.
You mean a load of 52 pallets from ardagh only gets 8 straps per side.Meaning every lift of 4 pallets only gets 1 internal strap but its deemed as secure.Sound like the police and dvsa will soon be hammering alot of drivers and companies.
Yep every load of glass out of Ardagh or even Allied glass only get internals cross strapped through the top 2 pallets of every 4 then down the side so for every 8 pallets you have 2 internal straps holding them in. Been going on like this ever since I’ve carried glass and that’s 11 year. Always said it’s a nice little earner for the DVSA/VOSA but they say that’s how it’s to be strapped. How many glass loads do Malcolm’s pull?
Malcolms straps through every column of pallets using dolly’s on the straps.
Thing is, it stops the pallet moving but there’s nothing on the glass themselves sideways .
Live glass was a nightmare and number of times trailers came back with bulges of collapsed glass was quite a clean up!!
Never liked way it was done but that was their way. Should have had side webbing similar to some dray trailers
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Every load out of Allied glass at Stourton and Knottingley are strapped every 4 pallets. At Ardagh glass it’s every 4 pallets until you get over the rear axle where it’s strapped every row of pallets then the double cross over the back.
dcgpx:
Malcolms straps through every column of pallets using dolly’s on the straps.
Thing is, it stops the pallet moving but there’s nothing on the glass themselves sideways .
Live glass was a nightmare and number of times trailers came back with bulges of collapsed glass was quite a clean up!!
Never liked way it was done but that was their way. Should have had side webbing similar to some dray trailers
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Lost count of the…
Number of trailers in Malcolms yards at Gatenby, South Elmsall (when it was there) and Haydock that had bulged out sides from split glass pallets. Saw a curtainsider nearly burst open when a shunter dropped the trailer after it has just been loaded and strapped (to the instructions given for glass securing). As soon as the legs had touched the ground…bang… both sides bulged out.
They must be working on a percentage basis. As long as let’s say 85% of loads are ok, they’ll let the other 15% go as an acceptable loss. Which is more a statement about company profit than road or load safety.
I had a bulged out trailer when I got to John Smiths at Taddy once. They refused to tip it stating that the whole lot will come out if the curtains were opened. I then refused to drive it any further and left the trailer in their yard.
Franglais:
Nowt wrong with ropes, except itd take a good few months to get my "soft as a babys bum" hands toughened up again.
Just an ole softy now I guess.
I can still remember the painful blisters on my hands now and that was always using decent gloves.It’s anyone’s guess how those like Bewick who say they didn’t use gloves to rope with didn’t end up in hospital needing skin grafts.
peterm:
I used to load out of Fullers earth at Redhill. Sheeted, roped and re tightened after hitting London. Nothing ever moved and it didn’t take long to do it right. Bloody curtain siders are the devils spawn.
Realistically the idea of using a sheet to secure the load and the ropes to secure the sheet could also be a dodgy misnomer and curtain siders were/would have been fine used on the basis of the ropes secure the load and the sheet,or the curtains,only keep it dry.While if aggregates and earth etc were meant to be carried on a flat we wouldn’t have tippers.
Obviously “CF” you along with many other “steering wheel Jockeys” couldn’t load a ■■■■■■■ rifle ! Bewick. And PS you soft ■■■■ I never used gloves during the many years I was sheeting and roping plus I NEVER lost a load either !
peterm:
I used to load out of Fullers earth at Redhill. Sheeted, roped and re tightened after hitting London. Nothing ever moved and it didn’t take long to do it right. Bloody curtain siders are the devils spawn.
Realistically the idea of using a sheet to secure the load and the ropes to secure the sheet could also be a dodgy misnomer and curtain siders were/would have been fine used on the basis of the ropes secure the load and the sheet,or the curtains,only keep it dry.While if aggregates and earth etc were meant to be carried on a flat we wouldn’t have tippers.
Obviously “CF” you along with many other “steering wheel Jockeys” couldn’t load a [zb] rifle ! Bewick. And PS you soft [zb] I never used gloves during the many years I was sheeting and roping plus I NEVER lost a load either !
Bewick, it’s hard when you’re surrounded by bloody fairies with hands like an office waller. I couldn’t load a rifle either, but I could handle a bloody lorry, read Atki, Foden, ERF etc with a proper trailer and nice heavy sheets.
peterm:
I used to load out of Fullers earth at Redhill. Sheeted, roped and re tightened after hitting London. Nothing ever moved and it didn’t take long to do it right. Bloody curtain siders are the devils spawn.
Realistically the idea of using a sheet to secure the load and the ropes to secure the sheet could also be a dodgy misnomer and curtain siders were/would have been fine used on the basis of the ropes secure the load and the sheet,or the curtains,only keep it dry.While if aggregates and earth etc were meant to be carried on a flat we wouldn’t have tippers.
Obviously “CF” you along with many other “steering wheel Jockeys” couldn’t load a [zb] rifle !
Look how far some of those internals are digging into the load. Put ratchets on and they won’t tighten up enough to actually do anything.
I picked up a load that had brought to our yard a few months back. Sacks of potatoes on pallets. Last time I collected the load it was internals on every pallet. Driver who had collected this had put ratchets on every pallet. Opened the curtains at the delivery point and every single ratchet strap was totally loose offering zero load security. When I brought same load on internals at least all the straps were still tight when I arrived.
If ratchets MUST be used then the senders will need to revise how their goods are packaged and palletised won’t they?
I’m not saying that is going to be cheap and easy etc but isn’t that the way it must eventually go?
Andrejs:
I think much better can help what do in Europe.There most after loading in most trailer put wood or aluminium frames from both side.
the could always just make curtainsiders obsolete and run everything with tilts?
id sooooo love to see your average hi viz wearing h&s inducted tosco stobrat kebab meat on a seat working out how to strip and build one to comply with all the legislation which it would entail.
if everything ran on tilts,then vosa could spend more time catching those running or laundered diesel,adblu emulators and tampering with tachos…oops…wait a min…
