My company requires us to change units now and again. As you may know this can be a time consuming process moving all personal belongings. Would this come under the WTD rules and be classed as working? As they want you to change vehicles.
I would probably have my tacho on work.
I can see that it is your ‘personal’ gear being moved, not the company’s gear, but I consider it a work related activity.
If it’s a company where you are paid according to tacho mode, the “probably” would become definitely.
I’d always do it with card in on other work during the time I’m being paid. You see drivers coming in before their start time and before their card goes in on a Monday morning loading belongings out of their car into the unit. Why? Why try and save the company time by doing that in your own time? If your a tramper away all week then you need your stuff to do your job which includes being away. Therefore anything to do with that truck is being done with card in during time I’m being paid for it. If they don’t like I’d say to them ok well you’d better change my work for the day because if I can’t have time to put stuff in the truck I’m not doing a night out. Simple.
I’m on a 4on/4off with nights out shift pattern at my place which means a different unit every time i start my 4 again.Our lot gives us half an hour at each end of the 4 to kit up and de-kit and that’s with the card in on other work.
Just on a side note
Is it a different make of Truck you would be getting in and out of ?
Do they do a 3 points of entry/Exit assessment on you and sign to that effect ?
Example coming out of a truck with 4 steps and going into a truck with 3 steps ?
Rowley010:
I’d always do it with card in on other work during the time I’m being paid. You see drivers coming in before their start time and before their card goes in on a Monday morning loading belongings out of their car into the unit. Why? Why try and save the company time by doing that in your own time? If your a tramper away all week then you need your stuff to do your job which includes being away. Therefore anything to do with that truck is being done with card in during time I’m being paid for it. If they don’t like I’d say to them ok well you’d better change my work for the day because if I can’t have time to put stuff in the truck I’m not doing a night out. Simple.
Agreed, do it with card in on ‘other work’.
Couldn’t give a toss about the wtd aspect of it as o/p mentions, my first priority would be to get paid for it.
Trucky Mc truckface:
Just on a side noteIs it a different make of Truck you would be getting in and out of ?
Do they do a 3 points of entry/Exit assessment on you and sign to that effect ?
Example coming out of a truck with 4 steps and going into a truck with 3 steps ?
Please tell me you’re kidding, if you’re being serious I’ m off to ■■■■■ my wrists. 
robroy:
Trucky Mc truckface:
Just on a side noteIs it a different make of Truck you would be getting in and out of ?
Do they do a 3 points of entry/Exit assessment on you and sign to that effect ?
Example coming out of a truck with 4 steps and going into a truck with 3 steps ?
I had a driver a couple years ago ask the same thing… his truck was in the menders and he had to have a hire unit. Wasn’t sure if he was going to be safe when he was getting out as it was an extra step.
Either he didn’t want to drive the thing, or RDC bs had took it’s toll on him…
Darkside:
robroy:
Trucky Mc truckface:
Just on a side noteIs it a different make of Truck you would be getting in and out of ?
Do they do a 3 points of entry/Exit assessment on you and sign to that effect ?
Example coming out of a truck with 4 steps and going into a truck with 3 steps ?
I had a driver a couple years ago ask the same thing… his truck was in the menders and he had to have a hire unit. Wasn’t sure if he was going to be safe when he was getting out as it was an extra step.
I’ve said before on here, drivers…what some of them do and say does not surprise me anymore, but this stuff comes close to doing so. 
Darkside:
I had a driver a couple years ago ask the same thing… his truck was in the menders and he had to have a hire unit. Wasn’t sure if he was going to be safe when he was getting out as it was an extra step.
Carlsberg at Leeds…
Had an ‘enter and egress’ diagram and pictures with big letters explaining in great deal the whole process. At the bottom was the please sign here section to say you’d read and fully understood the whole procedure. This was about page six of a what appeared to be almost an telephone directory sized bundle of papers for me to sign.
It was at that point (after having driven nights for them for six weeks previously) that I got my car keys out and went home.
yourhavingalarf:
Darkside:
I had a driver a couple years ago ask the same thing… his truck was in the menders and he had to have a hire unit. Wasn’t sure if he was going to be safe when he was getting out as it was an extra step.Carlsberg at Leeds…
Had an ‘enter and egress’ diagram and pictures with big letters explaining in great deal the whole process. At the bottom was the please sign here section to say you’d read and fully understood the whole procedure. This was about page six of a what appeared to be almost an telephone directory sized bundle of papers for me to sign.
It was at that point (after having driven nights for them for six weeks previously) that I got my car keys out and went home.
Going home, that was fine.
It’s when you start believing all this type of dog ■■■■ as being relevant and genuine (and worse repeating it) that is when you should have a quick word with yourself .
This is what these ■■■■ s are aiming for,…brainwashing us,.and they’re actually succeeding with some.
Ok, we all know it’s to do with past claims and litigation, but it does not mean you have to swallow every ounce of crap they drip feed you.
Darkside:
robroy:
Trucky Mc truckface:
Just on a side noteIs it a different make of Truck you would be getting in and out of ?
Do they do a 3 points of entry/Exit assessment on you and sign to that effect ?
Example coming out of a truck with 4 steps and going into a truck with 3 steps ?
I had a driver a couple years ago ask the same thing… his truck was in the menders and he had to have a hire unit. Wasn’t sure if he was going to be safe when he was getting out as it was an extra step.
Either he didn’t want to drive the thing, or RDC bs had took it’s toll on him…
I’d like to think he was in a wind up, sometimes fun beating the company back with the same corporate BS they throw at you.
robroy:
Trucky Mc truckface:
Just on a side noteIs it a different make of Truck you would be getting in and out of ?
Do they do a 3 points of entry/Exit assessment on you and sign to that effect ?
Example coming out of a truck with 4 steps and going into a truck with 3 steps ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
initially it looks like someone should be sitting next to chester and swapping comics.
but the reality is that h&s brainwashing does take its toll in some companies.
fortunately for me,il never experience working for them,
THe steps thing has most likely been brought in thanks to one or two donuts in the firm who have just jumped out the cab and injured themselves.
Behind every edict is an idiot who has found a new ingenious way of hurting themselves and sued the company.
Confession time 
(seeing as it’s Christmas )
When I came off my Daf to the first Actros with the extra step, I ended up on my arse (■■■■■ style Conor) at least once first couple of days. was ok though, so nobody need worry. 
Anyway, I put a claim in and got enough for a free holiday in Florida 
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Ok I made the last bit up.
Scania69:
My company requires us to change units now and again. As you may know this can be a time consuming process moving all personal belongings. Would this come under the WTD rules and be classed as working? As they want you to change vehicles.
For ■■■■■ sake
Darkside:
robroy:
Trucky Mc truckface:
Just on a side noteIs it a different make of Truck you would be getting in and out of ?
Do they do a 3 points of entry/Exit assessment on you and sign to that effect ?
Example coming out of a truck with 4 steps and going into a truck with 3 steps ?
I had a driver a couple years ago ask the same thing… his truck was in the menders and he had to have a hire unit. Wasn’t sure if he was going to be safe when he was getting out as it was an extra step.
Either he didn’t want to drive the thing, or RDC bs had took it’s toll on him…
I think the correct answer would be that he needs to decide very quickly whether he would be safe or not and either get your stuff in the truck and down the road or get it in your car and ■■■■ off home and don’t come back.
Night-and-day:
Scania69:
My company requires us to change units now and again. As you may know this can be a time consuming process moving all personal belongings. Would this come under the WTD rules and be classed as working? As they want you to change vehicles.For [zb] sake
That was my initial thought tbh.
Scania69:
Would this come under the WTD rules and be classed as working? .
For WTD - no one is ever going to care.
For EU driving regs - use other work.
Of course if this messes with your weekly rest then don’t set it or do it after your starting hours, your choice mostly depending how good the company are to you.
As for steps, worst one I had was a Renault where the steps are well behind the door so if you step straight out you fall onto the ground a.d it was at least 4 steps to boot.
trevHCS:
Scania69:
Would this come under the WTD rules and be classed as working? .For WTD - no one is ever going to care.
For EU driving regs - use other work.Of course if this messes with your weekly rest then don’t set it or do it after your starting hours, your choice mostly depending how good the company are to you.
As for steps, worst one I had was a Renault where the steps are well behind the door so if you step straight out you fall onto the ground a.d it was at least 4 steps to boot.
What about the Scanias with the folding bottom steps that sometimes didn’t fold out when you opened the door?