Caught speeding (again)

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I got caught doing 47mph on a single carrigeway A5 Nuneaton by the A444 last week. :open_mouth:

I’m not disputing the offence but am worried that I might lose my licence. :cry:

I had 9 points on my licence on the date of the offence 26/05/2009 but 6 expired under the totting up regs on the day I got caught speeding.

The 6 points that expired were for an offence on 27/05/2006 so am I right in thinking they expired 26/05/2009. :confused:

The problem is that I was also done for speeding in September 2007 and only won a court case to keep my licence in July 2008 by using the financial hardship argument. :unamused:

I know warwick offer driver speed courses to offenders who satisfy certain criteria, Anyone know what the criteria is:?:

I am now down to 3 points on my licence having had 3 expire in November 2008 and the 6 last week.

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As you have points you wont get the speed awherness course you have to be clear 3 yearsmight be worth sending your licence off to get points removed if you can ( not sure of the time limit on that mind)

Not looking good fella
The hardship argument wont work again because they’ll say you had your chance

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They’re valid for 3 years but have to stay on the licence for 4 years.

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shortfatbaldbloke:
I had 9 points on my licence on the date of the offence 26/05/2009 but 6 expired under the totting up regs on the day I got caught speeding.

Then you will have 6 points on the licence not 12.

Going for a new job could be difficult as they stay on the licence for 4 years although only legally active for 3 years.

Were all these points over the past few years gained whilst driving LGVs or were some whilst driving your car :question: - just curious

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I had an SP10 from 01/11/2004 which I got in my truck, These can now be removed. Sending my licence off today.

The points an my licence now are an IN10 which was for driving an uninsured car 27/05/2006 (don’t flame me please, I would not have done this intentionally) Theses points have now expired but stay on until 27/05/2010

I also have SP30 which was exceeding a 30mph limit in the truck on 18/09/2007, That took me to 12 points on the date of offence so I had to go to court on 28/04/2008 to prove financial hardship.

The last offence and the points which I don’t yet have will be an SP10 on 26/05/2009.

I have spoken to customer services at swansea and they say that the points from 27/05/2006 stay valid untill 27/05/2009.

I think that will be 3 years and 1 day but they disagreed with me.

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I cannot see that for the sake of a couple of days they will revoke the licence and have you go to court to plead the case - IMO and I would think that of the authorities, it would not be in the public interest to do so.

By the time a court case was set the situation would no longer be there - pointless

I think common sense will prevail

ADD - just ensure that your private car insurer and employer are aware of any points as that can invalidate insurances if not done so should a claim or incident occur

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Thanks for thr reply Rog, I hope you are right.

Hopefully the current global situation will help, and the fact I’m never going to do more than 40mph on a single carrigeway again :blush:

Just called DVLA again and they are sending me a new licence out, It was the same price as having points removed and two weeks quicker.

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shortfatbaldbloke:
I got caught doing 47mph on a single carrigeway A5 Nuneaton by the A444 last week. :open_mouth:

I’m not disputing the offence but am worried that I might lose my licence. :cry:

I had 9 points on my licence on the date of the offence 26/05/2009 but 6 expired under the totting up regs on the day I got caught speeding.

The 6 points that expired were for an offence on 27/05/2006 so am I right in thinking they expired 26/05/2009. :confused:

The problem is that I was also done for speeding in September 2007 and only won a court case to keep my licence in July 2008 by using the financial hardship argument. :unamused:

I know warwick offer driver speed courses to offenders who satisfy certain criteria, Anyone know what the criteria is:?:

I am now down to 3 points on my licence having had 3 expire in November 2008 and the 6 last week.

Sorry but I have to say:

You still haven`t learned your lesson!!! I think a few months ban is in order.

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truckerjimbo:

shortfatbaldbloke:
I got caught doing 47mph on a single carrigeway A5 Nuneaton by the A444 last week. :open_mouth:

I’m not disputing the offence but am worried that I might lose my licence. :cry:

I had 9 points on my licence on the date of the offence 26/05/2009 but 6 expired under the totting up regs on the day I got caught speeding.

The 6 points that expired were for an offence on 27/05/2006 so am I right in thinking they expired 26/05/2009. :confused:

The problem is that I was also done for speeding in September 2007 and only won a court case to keep my licence in July 2008 by using the financial hardship argument. :unamused:

I know warwick offer driver speed courses to offenders who satisfy certain criteria, Anyone know what the criteria is:?:

I am now down to 3 points on my licence having had 3 expire in November 2008 and the 6 last week.

Sorry but I have to say:

You still haven`t learned your lesson!!! I think a few months ban is in order.

Maybe I should have looked at the website you promote by a link before I went out speeding.

Plenty of advice there on how to get away with.

Shut up you silly man and keep your unwanted opinion to yourself.

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Before I yell that you have not learned I will ask a question or two -

Will you be doing it again :question:

Are you able to keep within limits :question:

Do you need help/advice to keep within them :question:

I’ll await the replies before making any assumptions…

Oh, and before anyone asks - I’ve been there (12 points) and done it :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

That was a very long time ago but I still remember going to court and pleading to keep my licence

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shortfatbaldbloke:

truckerjimbo:

shortfatbaldbloke:
I got caught doing 47mph on a single carrigeway A5 Nuneaton by the A444 last week. :open_mouth:

I’m not disputing the offence but am worried that I might lose my licence. :cry:

I had 9 points on my licence on the date of the offence 26/05/2009 but 6 expired under the totting up regs on the day I got caught speeding.

The 6 points that expired were for an offence on 27/05/2006 so am I right in thinking they expired 26/05/2009. :confused:

The problem is that I was also done for speeding in September 2007 and only won a court case to keep my licence in July 2008 by using the financial hardship argument. :unamused:

I know warwick offer driver speed courses to offenders who satisfy certain criteria, Anyone know what the criteria is:?:

I am now down to 3 points on my licence having had 3 expire in November 2008 and the 6 last week.

Sorry but I have to say:

You still haven`t learned your lesson!!! I think a few months ban is in order.

Maybe I should have looked at the website you promote by a link before I went out speeding.

Plenty of advice there on how to get away with.

Shut up you silly man and keep your unwanted opinion to yourself.

I HOPE YOU GET BANNED!!! YOU NEED TO BE!!!

YOUR A DANGER TO OTHER ROAD USERS AND YOU HAVEN`T LEARNED YOUR LESSON.

We all speed and Im no angel but your in charge of a very big truck. I hope VOSA take your LGV licence from you.

And your the silly man mate!!!

Oh points on licence - they go by date of offence and not date of conviction. Im guessing that if you are banned when you reapply for licence you will need to ask the TC for your LGV bit back.

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I’m pretty sure VOSA won’t take my licence, It’s up to the courts and no one else.

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shortfatbaldbloke:
I’m pretty sure VOSA won’t take my licence, It’s up to the courts and no one else.

The TC can suspend the LGV part of the licence if they feel there is need

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Well,…
You have a small chance left.
Moving over to Holland,working there and changing your Driving Licence to a Hollaendisch Licence,as it’s not banned in NL,and not in UK yet.
After it’s banned in UK you can’t drive here till Points are put away.Then you can swap your NL Licence back to a UK Licence.
Otherwise,24/7 is recruiting Warehouse Staff for Tesco

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which tesco would that be in, I don’t want to cycle too far.

I’m sort of trucker shaped now you see. :open_mouth:

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Lovelyperson:
Moving over to Holland,working there and changing your Driving Licence to a Hollaendisch Licence,as it’s not banned in NL,and not in UK yet.

Even if you could exchange your licence this wouldn’t be legal because if you’re banned from driving in the UK you can’t simply use a ‘clean’ foreign licence to get round it.

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shortfatbaldbloke:
The 6 points that expired were for an offence on 27/05/2006 so am I right in thinking they expired 26/05/2009. :confused:

IIRC, the relevant dates here relate to the ‘date of conviction’ as opposed to the date of the offence. In historic terms, the ‘four year rule’ was brought in because, under the ‘third endorsement and ban’ principal, motorists were seeking adjournments until one of the endorsements had expired. Which simply ■■■■■■■ Court time and was seen as a way of ‘avoiding the consequences’.

TBH, I can’t see that the previous adjudication not to impose a disqualification based on ‘financial hardship’ would be available to Magistrates hearing a later case. Unless things have changed, and assuming that it would be a different Court, all that they would have available to them is a DVLA print-out, which details factual decisions, and little else.

If the worst comes to the worst, use the same arguments.

Best wishes.

And ‘bloody’ slow down. :smiling_imp:

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Krankee:
IIRC, the relevant dates here relate to the ‘date of conviction’ as opposed to the date of the offence.

I thought that depended on the actual offence? AIUI speeding is date of offence whereas dangerous driving for example is date of conviction.

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I see what you are saying -
Camera - accept it - that is the date
Camera - go to court - the court date is the one

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Krankee:

shortfatbaldbloke:
The 6 points that expired were for an offence on 27/05/2006 so am I right in thinking they expired 26/05/2009. :confused:

IIRC, the relevant dates here relate to the ‘date of conviction’ as opposed to the date of the offence. In historic terms, the ‘four year rule’ was brought in because, under the ‘third endorsement and ban’ principal, motorists were seeking adjournments until one of the endorsements had expired. Which simply ■■■■■■■ Court time and was seen as a way of ‘avoiding the consequences’.

TBH, I can’t see that the previous adjudication not to impose a disqualification based on ‘financial hardship’ would be available to Magistrates hearing a later case. Unless things have changed, and assuming that it would be a different Court, all that they would have available to them is a DVLA print-out, which details factual decisions, and little else.

If the worst comes to the worst, use the same arguments.

Best wishes.

And ‘bloody’ slow down. :smiling_imp:

Its date of offence for speeding: