I have a potential for some work involving cars in conatiners. Storage and distribution.
I know that cars with engines in (ie fully functional cars) are down as UN 3166. Do you need to go under ADR when carrying them on the trailer in a container? I expect going overseas they would have to be marked up as such, marine pollutant sticker and Class 9 sticker, can anyone confirm this? Also, what kinds of straps, chains or other equipment is used to stop the cars rolling about in the container, or ramps etc to maximise the space inside the container to get as many cars in as possible?
I have picked up many fully functioning cars in a container and have NEVER had to run under ADR,The cars were driven in by the loaders,lashed etc by them and I would close the door and seal it up,job done.
I presume that the amount of fuel within the car is minimal or limited quantity so as not to warrant ADR regs,but saying that I never had to stick limited quantity stickers on the box either and I have an ADR Licence.
have just found this,rules have changed as of Jan 2012(not done boxes or ADR for 18 months)
Bikemonkey:
I have picked up many fully functioning cars in a container and have NEVER had to run under ADR,The cars were driven in by the loaders,lashed etc by them and I would close the door and seal it up,job done.
I presume that the amount of fuel within the car is minimal or limited quantity so as not to warrant ADR regs,but saying that I never had to stick limited quantity stickers on the box either and I have an ADR Licence.
Thanks for that, what did they use to stop them moving, just ratchet straps?
Bikemonkey:
I have picked up many fully functioning cars in a container and have NEVER had to run under ADR,The cars were driven in by the loaders,lashed etc by them and I would close the door and seal it up,job done.
I presume that the amount of fuel within the car is minimal or limited quantity so as not to warrant ADR regs,but saying that I never had to stick limited quantity stickers on the box either and I have an ADR Licence.
Thanks for that, what did they use to stop them moving, just ratchet straps?
As far as I remember they used 4 ratchet straps onto the lashing points on the box,either round the wheels or the chassis,you shouldn’t have to do anything,its down to the people loading to secure.
In the link above I think that the new regs are for IMDG(sea)so still would’nt affect you as it still wouldn’t come under ADR.(road)…i’m sure someone will correct me if i’m wrong.
Bikemonkey:
I have picked up many fully functioning cars in a container and have NEVER had to run under ADR,The cars were driven in by the loaders,lashed etc by them and I would close the door and seal it up,job done.
Hi BM,
That’s still the case mate, not much has changed.
Bikemonkey:
I presume that the amount of fuel within the car is minimal or limited quantity so as not to warrant ADR regs,but saying that I never had to stick limited quantity stickers on the box either and I have an ADR Licence.
There’s no connection with LQs here, because the whole car is not subject to ADR.
ADR still would not apply to that job, even if there were several cars in the same container.
Bikemonkey: have just found this,rules have changed as of Jan 2012(not done boxes or ADR for 18 months)
That’s a good link to accurate info.
I have (and use) IMDG 35-10, so I can vouch for your link.
The trick here is to always remember that ADR and IMDG are two completely different sets of Regs designed to govern two completely different modes of carriage.
As has already been hinted at, do not get involved in the loading. At all. Even if they ask nicely.
When I was a manager for a container company, one of our drivers took a container from the docks to a customer. On arriving and opening it it contained two ferraris, which had been loaded on top of each other using some kind of cage arrangement. Unfortunately it had collapsed, destroying both cars. If that happens, you really want to be able to say it was nothing to do with you.
plannerman:
As has already been hinted at, do not get involved in the loading. At all. Even if they ask nicely.
When I was a manager for a container company, one of our drivers took a container from the docks to a customer. On arriving and opening it it contained two ferraris, which had been loaded on top of each other using some kind of cage arrangement. Unfortunately it had collapsed, destroying both cars. If that happens, you really want to be able to say it was nothing to do with you.
But if the driver witnessed the laoding and it was insecure then it would be the drivers fault if something went wrong would it not?
plannerman:
As has already been hinted at, do not get involved in the loading. At all. Even if they ask nicely.
When I was a manager for a container company, one of our drivers took a container from the docks to a customer. On arriving and opening it it contained two ferraris, which had been loaded on top of each other using some kind of cage arrangement. Unfortunately it had collapsed, destroying both cars. If that happens, you really want to be able to say it was nothing to do with you.
Ouch! Maybe I will stay away from “double deck containers” then!
skids:
But if the driver witnessed the laoding and it was insecure then it would be the drivers fault if something went wrong would it not?
No,not necessarily,unless he/she rolled it before he got it to port and it was proved to be insecure.
In my experience of loading cars,you back onto a loading bay or ramp,cars are driven on and secured by the loaders,in a lot of cases THEY shut the doors and seal it up but on occasion i have shut the doors and sealed it…its transported to the port or via point by me where it then ceases to be my responsibility.
its probably handled a dozen times before it reaches its final destination and when its opened up and a crumpled wreck,then its down to the consignor,consignee and shipping line to sort it out by insurance.
We will be picking them up and then transporting them to depot for a couple of nights storage then dropping at Thamesport to go overseas. Is there a certain form that is used for transport of cars in containers overseas? I have looked around but only found company specific, I thought due to it being very common, I thought there maybe a designated form?
theonlybigman:
We will be picking them up and then transporting them to depot for a couple of nights storage then dropping at Thamesport to go overseas. Is there a certain form that is used for transport of cars in containers overseas? I have looked around but only found company specific, I thought due to it being very common, I thought there maybe a designated form?
Are you literally just loading,storing and transporting??..The consignor or shipping agent should be the one preparing the shipping notes if that is the case??
If you are acting as the shipper or agent and are booking containers etc preparing the manifest yourself then I wouldn’t like to say…it will be also be on a DG shipping note though as has been said above with it coming under IMDG rules,but apart from signing the note that you’ve loaded the container,i’m pretty sure that would be that.
theonlybigman:
We will be picking them up and then transporting them to depot for a couple of nights storage then dropping at Thamesport to go overseas. Is there a certain form that is used for transport of cars in containers overseas? I have looked around but only found company specific, I thought due to it being very common, I thought there maybe a designated form?
Are you literally just loading,storing and transporting??..The consignor or shipping agent should be the one preparing the shipping notes if that is the case??
If you are acting as the shipper or agent and are booking containers etc preparing the manifest yourself then I wouldn’t like to say…it will be also be on a DG shipping note though as has been said above with it coming under IMDG rules,but apart from signing the note that you’ve loaded the container,i’m pretty sure that would be that.
The company wants us to do it all, they just want the container picked up, stored and then arrange for delivery to the port so it can then on the ship to wherever. I think we will be providing the documentation to the port on the other side then someone else takes it from there. The shipping note is what I am looking for I think. Thanks for your help BM
theonlybigman:
Is there a certain form that is used for transport of cars in containers overseas?
Hi theonlybigman,
Just before we go too deep into IMDG (please excuse the pun, ) are you the person responsible for getting the export paperwork together please?
If yes, then for sea transport you’ll need a proper Dangerous Goods Note (DGN,) but if you carefully follow the instructions in the first link kindly supplied by BM, you’re sorted.
If you read the link carefully, you’ll see that you have a couple of options for exemptions and relaxations open to you, but you should ensure that somebody competent signs the declarations on the DGN.
Please read and take note of those declarations, because they are to be taken very seriously indeed.
An employed driver should NEVER sign those declarations, and should only ever sign where it asks for the driver’s signature.
theonlybigman:
Is there a certain form that is used for transport of cars in containers overseas?
Hi theonlybigman,
Just before we go too deep into IMDG (please excuse the pun, ) are you the person responsible for getting the export paperwork together please?
If yes, then for sea transport you’ll need a proper Dangerous Goods Note (DGN,) but if you carefully follow the instructions in the first link kindly supplied by BM, you’re sorted.
If you read the link carefully, you’ll see that you have a couple of options for exemptions and relaxations open to you, but you should ensure that somebody competent signs the declarations on the DGN.
Please read and take note of those declarations, because they are to be taken very seriously indeed.
An employed driver should NEVER sign those declarations, and should only ever sign where it asks for the driver’s signature.
It would seem that is where the negotiations are at the moment with the client about who completes this part. I just needed to work out all possibilities, ie risk, cost and effort involved. Thanks for the input once again, I hope the money men charge well for this, as I don’t fancy all this paperwork part, I may have an International CPC, but never really wanted to use it!
one thing to mention if you are responible for the paperwork/shipping notes is the amount of dodgy cars going abroad.if the car is suspect and your name is on the paperwork who are they going to arrest?
i have experienced this myself but being just a driver with the transport docket for the box and the seal number i was ok
dodgy geezers in thurrock with top of the range bmw/mercs rhd as they drove them in they broke off the munber plates!!!
Up until a few months ago we were taking range rovers and jags into maritimes yard in Felixstowe to be loaded into containers and shipped to china. And when the merc c class was being built in south Africa they were brought over 3 at a time in containers into portbury.
you will need dangerous goods shipping notes for shipping via sea as well as class 9 stickers for the box. I only found this out a few months back when i collected some cars its only just come in recently as last year they where not needed
The trick here is to always remember that ADR and IMDG are two completely different sets of Regs designed to govern two completely different modes of carriage. 
) are you the person responsible for getting the export paperwork together please?
Few years ago, no stickers or nothing. I had no idea what was in it until they opened it.