Carrying another HGV driver as passenger

[robroy]

stevieboy308:

robroy:
^^^^^^^
Yep that is what I always say on here,.and get stick for off the self righteous and the borg like conformists …
Whether it be anybody between Boris and his parties and me on a dodgy night out,…
It ain’t the ‘‘crime’’ that’s the fault, it’s getting caught. Then there’s other stuff like putting your card in slot 2 when you’re required too, or not moving within a break anymore despite the tacho looking like it’s just recorded it all as break, no leeway on that, so the risk:reward just doesn’t stack up for me.

I’ll guarantee some absolute ball bag is thinking of putting a reply post along the lines of…‘‘Does that include murder’’.

You might be confusing explaining what the rules are so people can decide what to do given the information on what they are supposed to do and what the possible consequences are if they don’t and religiously following following everything to the N’th degree.

But I certainly don’t give them any open goals to give me a fine, as that’d be just
Daft!

And when you know what you can actually do before you’ll get fined, which in a lot of cases most people wouldn’t believe how much over you can be, then you know there’s nothing to stress about anyway.
Then there’s other stuff like putting your card in slot 2 when you’re required too, or not moving within a break anymore despite the tacho looking like it’s just recorded it all as break, no leeway on that, so the risk:reward just doesn’t stack up for me.

You just come across as anti everything just for the sake of it.

Like is it a crazy idea to say you can’t spend 45 hours or more on rest in the truck and the firm must pay for suitable accommodation instead?

Oh dear…,.so we’re back to arguing then. ok,.whatever.

Firstly I’ll only focus on the bit starting from ''You just come across as ‘’ etc etc,…as I’m starting to lose a bit of interest, secondly you have ■■■■ ed up my quote somehow,.and thirdly I’m a bit tired so.I’m starting to glaze over on your long post.

As for ‘‘how I come across’’ how am I supposed to address that exactly? other than say ,.I have never gave an absolute toss how I come across to people in REAL life, I ain’t that insecure,.ask anyone who knows me, so I’m hardly going to give the slightest modicum of concern how I come across to a load of strangers on a computer forum now am I?
But to answer you in the spirit of the discussion, …

I ain’t anti ‘‘everything’’.
I’m maybe a bit anti authority in the sense I don’t do everything I am told to conform to,.especially if it’s to my own detriment, .yes I’ll obey tacho rules and regs, but I don’t have the time nor notion , nor interest to study them so I know them inside out like some kind of tacho guru specialist.
As I said,.I’m strictly ‘‘NEED to know’’ on what I concentrate on.

The firm paying for accomodation thing you use as an example?

Yep that’s fine, but I’ve never ever had a problem staying in a modern well equipped truck with all amenities,l at hand, (I suspect that you interpret that as ‘‘living in a tin box’’) akin to a modern mobile home that others pay a fortune for, but it should be the DRIVERS choice between his cab and a hotel, not something forced upon him by a faceless bureaucrat, just for the hell of it.

If I sound drama queenish., militant, ott, over opinionated liking the sound of my own voice…or any other description that I may ''come across ‘’ as., remember it was you who challenged me on it.

Now, …You have a read through this thread, and ask yourself as YOU may or may not ‘‘come across’’ as.
Just saying like.

If you want to come back and answer me, fill yer boots, but maybe we should just draw a line under it for the benefit of others who are also glazing over with boredom.

[stevieboy308]

I don’t really see much argument, to be honest.

I pointed out that just because someone knows what the rules are and tells other so they can make their own decisions based on all the information, doesn’t mean someone is squeaky clean, as I too make my decision based on what the rules say I have to do or don’t do, what the possible consequences are and what I want to achieve.

I’m not saying how you come across as in you should or shouldn’t be bothered how you come across, I’m saying it as you seem to be anti everything just for the sake of it, you might not be, but that’s what it looks like to me, how it comes across to me, so no need to focus on it, it was just a way to say but I might have the wrong end of the stick. I think you’ve took that that I’m having a dig there, when I’m not.

But you’ve said you’re a bit anti authority ect, so I was in the right ball park roughly.

I’ve never had a problem stopping out in a truck either, so you’re wrong that I would define that as living in a tin box, I’m day work now, but used to tramp, I actually look forward to doing the odd night out now!

We both know if it’s drivers choice, that means the driver will be stopping in their cab and it won’t be their choice. It’s not something that has or is ever likely to effect me, but I really don’t see it as a bad oppressive rule to spend 2 nights in a hotel every fortnight or so you’re in the truck. We both know particularly how some EE drivers are treated, how long they’re out for or how long they might be waiting for a reload, at least they can’t be left in a layby for days, which is more than likely what prompted this change.

I didn’t glaze over on your long post

[robroy]

^^^^^
Aye ok.

[stu675]

stevieboy308:
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If this wasn’t the case you would have the extreme example again of starting on the south coast, drive 10 hours north in the truck, be rescued back to the south coast and repeat

But that would be legal if your husband or wife picked you up, and is just as likely a scenario as the company doing it.

[robroy]

stu675:

stevieboy308:
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If this wasn’t the case you would have the extreme example again of starting on the south coast, drive 10 hours north in the truck, be rescued back to the south coast and repeat

But that would be legal if your husband or wife picked you up, and is just as likely a scenario as the company doing it.

I’m gonna regret this

Wait for it.

What if you worked for a firm where your wife was the transport manager,.and she came out to rescue you to both go home, in her co car when your time was up.

(Don’t really care btw, just being mischievous )

[sploom]

Or you could be at the end of your 6th shift.You arent allowed to spend weekly rest in the truck,but you arent allowed to be rescued either…
I think its a grey area,the magistrate would have to apply common sense,I think

[franglais]

Sploom:
Or you could be at the end of your 6th shift.You arent allowed to spend weekly rest in the truck,but you arent allowed to be rescued either…
I think its a grey area,the magistrate would have to apply common sense,I think

Course he would.

Failure to take daily rest
AND
Failure to take weekly rest

[yorkshire_tramper]

As a good driver you are required to sleep in a ditch until you can hop into the cab again and carry on, surely everyone knows this?

[stevieboy308]

stu675:

stevieboy308:
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If this wasn’t the case you would have the extreme example again of starting on the south coast, drive 10 hours north in the truck, be rescued back to the south coast and repeat

But that would be legal if your husband or wife picked you up, and is just as likely a scenario as the company doing it.

It’d only be legal if you started the next shift where you finished the last shift!

Well unless they went like ■■■■ to get you back within 15!

[stevieboy308]

Sploom:
Or you could be at the end of your 6th shift.You arent allowed to spend weekly rest in the truck,but you arent allowed to be rescued either…
I think its a grey area,the magistrate would have to apply common sense,I think

No limit on the amount of shifts, just 144 hours between weekly rests. Although interestingly under set criteria you can extend that by 2 hours along with the daily and weekly driving time by the same to reach base to start a regular weekly rest or just 1 hour for a reduced weekly rest - fun fact.

You can spend a reduced week rest in the truck, so upto 44:59

Then after all that if someone would only think of renting you a room, like a lodge for travelers or something

[franglais]

stevieboy308:

Sploom:
Or you could be at the end of your 6th shift.You arent allowed to spend weekly rest in the truck,but you arent allowed to be rescued either…
I think its a grey area,the magistrate would have to apply common sense,I think

No limit on the amount of shifts, just 144 hours between weekly rests. Although interestingly under set criteria you can extend that by 2 hours along with the daily and weekly driving time by the same to reach base to start a regular weekly rest or just 1 hour for a reduced weekly rest - fun fact.

You can spend a reduced week rest in the truck, so upto 44:59

Then after all that if someone would only think of renting you a room, like a lodge for travelers or something

You must spend an obligatory full rest in an hotel, I think.
On your first week-end in the cab, you can spend 45+ hrs, but it will not count as a 45?
(No one will bust you for having too much rest)

Open to correction.

[stevieboy308]

Franglais:

stevieboy308:

Sploom:
Or you could be at the end of your 6th shift.You arent allowed to spend weekly rest in the truck,but you arent allowed to be rescued either…
I think its a grey area,the magistrate would have to apply common sense,I think

No limit on the amount of shifts, just 144 hours between weekly rests. Although interestingly under set criteria you can extend that by 2 hours along with the daily and weekly driving time by the same to reach base to start a regular weekly rest or just 1 hour for a reduced weekly rest - fun fact.

You can spend a reduced week rest in the truck, so upto 44:59

Then after all that if someone would only think of renting you a room, like a lodge for travelers or something

You must spend an obligatory full rest in an hotel, I think.
On your first week-end in the cab, you can spend 45+ hrs, but it will not count as a 45?
(No one will bust you for having too much rest)

Open to correction.

It reads to me that that is not the case and you can’t take a regular weekly rest or a reduced weekly plus compensation more than 45hours in the cab

[franglais]

Yep.
It doesnt actually say it is illegal to stop more than 45hrs there. It does say that you cant take a 45hrs rest there.

Stop as long as you want, but it won`t count as a 45.

[stevieboy308]

Franglais:
Yep.
It doesnt actually say it is illegal to stop more than 45hrs there. It does say that you cant take a 45hrs rest there.

Stop as long as you want, but it won`t count as a 45.

"It is not permitted to take regular weekly rest periods and any weekly rest of more than 45 hours which include compensation for previous reduced weekly rest in a vehicle. Such rest periods must be taken in suitable gender-friendly accommodation with adequate sleeping and sanitary facilities such as a hotel, hostel, guest or boarding house, chalet, static caravan or rental accommodation.

Cost for accommodation outside the vehicle must be met by the employer."

[franglais]

I`m saying
Leave base Mon morning.
1st weekend on road Friday eve to Mon morning. (60hrs.)
2nd week end at Home from Fr eve.
Legal, IMHO.

Would you say that is illegal?
But if the weekend was only from Sat eve, not Friday eve (36 hrs) it would then be legal?

[franglais]

I read it that you can spend as long as you like in the cab, but it isn`t counted as a 45.

[stevieboy308]

Franglais:
I`m saying
Leave base Mon morning.
1st weekend on road Friday eve to Mon morning. (60hrs.)
2nd week end at Home from Fr eve.
Legal, IMHO.

Would you say that is illegal?
But if the weekend was only from Sat eve, not Friday eve (36 hrs) it would then be legal?

Yeah it reads to me you could only take up to 44:59 in the cab.

If you didn’t need a regular then nothing says you could do 1 minute of other work then back in rest

[stevieboy308]

Franglais:
I read it that you can spend as long as you like in the cab, but it isn`t counted as a 45.

It doesn’t read that way to me!

[franglais]

Too late on a Sunday for me…
I do see what you are saying, and maybe I am guilty of applying common sense to the rules (insert your own jokes here) but I`m not convinced.

[beefy4605]

Heres one for you all to debate

Work away for one week then take a 24 hr reduced rest in the truck in Liverpool
Week 2 when your hours are up come back to Liverpool , park the truck , pack your stuff into a bag and catch the boat home to Belfast (roughly 12 hours on the boat ) have 24 hours at home and then back on the boat to Liverpool (another 12 hours ) back ito the truck and away you go for another 2 week cycle .
Perfectly legal by the way but does anyone want to tell me that its better than taking 45 hrs in the truck ? Not much of a life is it ?