Car driver holds up ambulance

jakethesnake:
I would be very surprised if what Carryfast says is true. In fact I would say it’s a load of complete tripe.

Yet another derogatory comment from you, against Carryfast now, then yet in your very next answer to him you state this “You may well be correct CF.”
This manoeuvres yourself into an insinuation of your very own comment. Not singling you out as a few on here do the very same, it appears that you may be mocking someone in order to fit in or somehow elevate your own self esteem. Just an observation that I have made, It doesnt become you. I think sometimes that you can hold a conversation and in other posts or quotes from you comes accross like this.

Zac_A:

widebandman:
I’ve also noticed that you don’t see ambulances tearing around on full blues and twos. Memory is a bit grey now so I could have dreamt it.

That must depend on where you live, I’m within a mile or so of a major hospital and regularly see ambulances, mostly with “blues”, though often with “twos”, really motoring, including carefully going through red lights.

You may well be correct Zac A. Good point and may well be a contributing factor.

The snake is a condescending know all hypocrite been there done it all type, and full of it
You’ll get used to him
Mr Marmite

jakethesnake:

Carryfast:
Why would I have stated a noticeable difference between ambulances v fire and police in that regard.You’ve said yourself your experience isn’t recent.As I said it’s a recent issue.

You may well be correct CF. They do tend to change rules and not always for the better these days. One rule they have changed for the better is they can now prosecute drivers who over react to emergency vehicles and cause chaos and believe me they are in abundance. :unamused:

This is sort of an example of what I’ve described.
It’s definitely noticeably reaching the point where you are ( too ) often unaware of their approach at junctions etc because of lack of audible warning which should be left on continuously.

youtu.be/3QgWO8TW7Zo

Carryfast:
It’s definitely noticeably reaching the point where you are ( too ) often unaware of their approach at junctions etc because of lack of audible warning which should be left on continuously.

Quite agree, I have been caught out before by not realising there was an ambulance behind me until the sirens frighten you to death.

robthedog:
The snake is a condescending know all hypocrite been there done it all type, and full of it
You’ll get used to him
Mr Marmite

I have obviously had a different upbringing where if I have nothing nice to say to or about someone then it is better to say nothing and skip the insulting child like behaviour. I find this works in all situations, work or friendships. Craving for a reaction on a public forum amongst people you do not know is dragging the bottom of the barrel. He may be a nice guy but is not coming accross that way.

Carryfast:

jakethesnake:

Carryfast:
Why would I have stated a noticeable difference between ambulances v fire and police in that regard.You’ve said yourself your experience isn’t recent.As I said it’s a recent issue.

You may well be correct CF. They do tend to change rules and not always for the better these days. One rule they have changed for the better is they can now prosecute drivers who over react to emergency vehicles and cause chaos and believe me they are in abundance. :unamused:

This is sort of an example of what I’ve described.
It’s definitely noticeably reaching the point where you are ( too ) often unaware of their approach at junctions etc because of lack of audible warning which should be left on continuously.

youtu.be/3QgWO8TW7Zo

That is because they are told to approach red lights without any free space on lights only, and to wait for the traffic to clear or make way for them, so as to not push people through a red light which is illegal for the driver doing so to make way for the ambulance. They would have canceled the sirens coming up to the trading traffic, once the traffic decides to make way they use the sirens again. Textbook driving by an emergency responder at the start of that video.

They also only need to use sirens to earn other traffic and where there are hazard again the way they are trained to do it now. Continuous sirens are like wearing a high Vis, no one noticed, but when they suddenly appear out of nowhere peiooe take more notice like being caught not wearing your high Vis, then all of sudden people notice.

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simcor:

Carryfast:

jakethesnake:
You may well be correct CF. They do tend to change rules and not always for the better these days. One rule they have changed for the better is they can now prosecute drivers who over react to emergency vehicles and cause chaos and believe me they are in abundance. :unamused:

This is sort of an example of what I’ve described.
It’s definitely noticeably reaching the point where you are ( too ) often unaware of their approach at junctions etc because of lack of audible warning which should be left on continuously.

youtu.be/3QgWO8TW7Zo

That is because they are told to approach red lights without any free space on lights only, and to wait for the traffic to clear or make way for them, so as to not push people through a red light which is illegal for the driver doing so to make way for the ambulance. They would have canceled the sirens coming up to the trading traffic, once the traffic decides to make way they use the sirens again. Textbook driving by an emergency responder at the start of that video.

They also only need to use sirens to earn other traffic and where there are hazard again the way they are trained to do it now. Continuous sirens are like wearing a high Vis, no one noticed, but when they suddenly appear out of nowhere peiooe take more notice like being caught not wearing your high Vis, then all of sudden people notice.

Textbook bs.
The only time we you turn off the twos is when stationary.The ambulance examples are clearly creating dangerous confusion at junctions and lack of audible warning where it’s required.

That’s textbook.
Youtu.be/hhwOlFwJqrc

Carryfast, I see your point however sometimes things need to change. Not always for the better I know but probably for a very good reason most of the time.
There are always two sides to these sort of situations and until you do the training it may not be clear why they do what they do.

Drivers in general are dozy and unobservant are not aware what is going on around then. I think even someone on here said they got a shock when they saw an ambulance behind them. What happened to checking mirrors? Of course most professionals do (I think) but these blue light drivers have a very difficult job made harder by unobservant drivers who just don’t have a clue.
It is not their choice whether they use horns and lights, they have to go by the rules and if they don’t they are in deep trouble.

jakethesnake:
I think even someone on here said they got a shock when they saw an ambulance behind them. What happened to checking mirrors? Of course most professionals do (I think) but these blue light drivers have a very difficult job made harder by unobservant drivers who just don’t have a clue.

You don’t spend all of your time going forward looking in your mirrors, If an ambulance pulls out of a side street for example with just his lights on and sits behind you it can take you by surprise when sounding his sirens whether he has been there a min or 10 secs, but then any professional driver knows this. It makes funny reading when you make comments on things you know nothing about, for example, that you have driven coaches when it is crystal clear that you have not. Now blue light training, you really have done it all havent you? Calling others to elevate yourself makes you look rather silly. My view of a professional driver is that they do not need someone on a forum to tell them how to drive in the first place and to realise that nobody is perfect and is continually progressing each day.

jakethesnake:
Carryfast, I see your point however sometimes things need to change. Not always for the better I know but probably for a very good reason most of the time.

Feel free to explain the exact ‘good reasons’, for the difference in use of audible warnings, in the examples of ambulance v fire which I posted.There is no possible good reason why you’d minimise, as opposed to maximise, that usage in an emergency driving situation.
In the examples I posted it clearly added to the time required to negotiate a junction in addition to creating a needless danger to all concerned en route.

Yorkshire Tramper:

jakethesnake:
I think even someone on here said they got a shock when they saw an ambulance behind them. What happened to checking mirrors? Of course most professionals do (I think) but these blue light drivers have a very difficult job made harder by unobservant drivers who just don’t have a clue.

You don’t spend all of your time going forward looking in your mirrors, If an ambulance pulls out of a side street for example with just his lights on and sits behind you it can take you by surprise when sounding his sirens whether he has been there a min or 10 secs, but then any professional driver knows this. It makes funny reading when you make comments on things you know nothing about, for example, that you have driven coaches when it is crystal clear that you have not. Now blue light training, you really have done it all havent you? Calling others to elevate yourself makes you look rather silly. My view of a professional driver is that they do not need someone on a forum to tell them how to drive in the first place and to realise that nobody is perfect and is continually progressing each day.

Well, I think you are funny. It’s crystal clear in your mind I have never driven coaches. I find that very strange as I know I have but if you disbelieve me I really don’t give two hoots.
Sorry to disappoint you but it’s also true I did blue light training. Would you like to know what else I have done?

You see I got bored of driving HGV’s (sorry if that offends you) and with a bit of luck I got involved in training. I actually got my PCV licence free through a training company so I could do training on said vehicles. I went on to to many other types of training which I thoroughly enjoyed in case you are interested. I could tell you more but you would look in that crystal ball of yours and tell me I was dreaming or something else.

BTW I don’t tell anyone how to drive on here. How could I when I have never seen their driving? I come on here and give my opinion which is what I thought forums are for.
But I do see the standard of driving on the roads which I have an opinion of (right or wrong) and some on here will agree it’s fairly appalling. I believe you said you have never seen a bad coach driver. :unamused: That absolutely amazes me
and makes me wonder!

PS you obviously don’t like my posts so just scroll on by or hit the ignore button please.

Carryfast:

jakethesnake:
Carryfast, I see your point however sometimes things need to change. Not always for the better I know but probably for a very good reason most of the time.

Feel free to explain the exact ‘good reasons’, for the difference in use of audible warnings, in the examples of ambulance v fire which I posted.There is no possible good reason why you’d minimise, as opposed to maximise, that usage in an emergency driving situation.
In the examples I posted it clearly added to the time required to negotiate a junction in addition to creating a needless danger to all concerned en route.

I don’t know the reasons because I have not done any recent training but I do know that the reaction of the sirens has an adverse effect on some drivers and puts then into a panic mode where they do the stupidest of things. Of course drivers like yourself don’t have that problem!!! You just get out of the way. Easy eh. Ain’t that simple I’m afraid.
Have you ever driven using lights and sirens BTW?

I believe you are a good googler. Have a look, you might learn something new. :wink:

jakethesnake:
I come on here and give my opinion which is what I thought forums are for.
PS you obviously don’t like my posts so just scroll on by or hit the ignore button please.

Yes that is what forums such as this are for, but you don’t just give your opinion you have to resort to insults and belittling people who do not hold the same opinion. As for my ignoring you, how old are you?
Anyway that aside I can now see how you was not aware of any different styles to driving different types of vehicles as you yourself admitted that you got a PCV licence through a training company that you worked for in order to train others on a PCV. So all I was stating turns out to be correct. Not being funny but how are you to train someone to be a Coach driver having just taken a test with no real world experience. That to me explains why you said you drove a lorry the same as a coach. Because of this fact I can see why you thought that you drove them the same. I blame the training on bad drivers that we see today as it seems to be the route of the problem. Get them through a test and throw them a set of keys without real knowledge. Don’t take things so personal when someone disagrees with you.

Yorkshire Tramper:

jakethesnake:
I come on here and give my opinion which is what I thought forums are for.
PS you obviously don’t like my posts so just scroll on by or hit the ignore button please.

Yes that is what forums such as this are for, but you don’t just give your opinion you have to resort to insults and belittling people who do not hold the same opinion. As for my ignoring you, how old are you?
Anyway that aside I can now see how you was not aware of any different styles to driving different types of vehicles as you yourself admitted that you got a PCV licence through a training company that you worked for in order to train others on a PCV. So all I was stating turns out to be correct. Not being funny but how are you to train someone to be a Coach driver having just taken a test with no real world experience. That to me explains why you said you drove a lorry the same as a coach. Because of this fact I can see why you thought that you drove them the same. I blame the training on bad drivers that we see today as it seems to be the route of the problem. Get them through a test and throw them a set of keys without real knowledge. Don’t take things so personal when someone disagrees with you.

I don’t take anything or anyone on here personally. I am not being funny either but what do you know about training? Not much by the way you speak.
I will however agree with you just like driving standards have dropped so have training standards and the training can be poor mainly down to cutting cost, not properly qualified instructors
and not having enough time to carry out the training to the correct standard. Actually part of the reason I got out and ended up driving again before I retired.

A little story for you, a training company (not one I worked for BTW) preferred to take on new drivers, put them through their vocational licence and train them up as opposed to taking on X coach drivers and lorry drivers who were set in their ways with far too many bad habits. (Not all of course) But that company found by doing that there pass rates were far higher and the candidates were much happier.

A very good lorry or coach driver may NOT make a good instructor. In fact a lot don’t. One thing being able to drive but it’s another being able to transfer the correct info over in the correct manner.

Oh and last but not least, where exactly did I say I was ignoring you. I didn’t. I said hit the ignore button or scroll past my posts if you don’t like them.

Now I need a beer or six. :laughing:

jakethesnake:
I don’t take anything or anyone on here personally. I am not being funny either but what do you know about training? Not much by the way you speak.
I will however agree with you just like driving standards have dropped so have training standards and the training can be poor mainly down to cutting cost, not properly qualified instructors
and not having enough time to carry out the training to the correct standard. Actually part of the reason I got out and ended up driving again before I retired.

A little story for you, a training company (not one I worked for BTW) preferred to take on new drivers, put them through their vocational licence and train them up as opposed to taking on X coach drivers and lorry drivers who were set in their ways with far too many bad habits. (Not all of course) But that company found by doing that there pass rates were far higher and the candidates were much happier.

A very good lorry or coach driver may NOT make a good instructor. In fact a lot don’t. One thing being able to drive but it’s another being able to transfer the correct info over in the correct manner.

Oh and last but not least, where exactly did I say I was ignoring you. I didn’t. I said hit the ignore button or scroll past my posts if you don’t like them.

Now I need a beer or six. :laughing:

Well you put a fair point accross without the insults, I know nothing about training you are correct there.
Although I don’t agree with everything you have said I still respect your point of view and you have put it accross in a way that makes sense without the drama.

Yorkshire Tramper:

jakethesnake:
I don’t take anything or anyone on here personally. I am not being funny either but what do you know about training? Not much by the way you speak.
I will however agree with you just like driving standards have dropped so have training standards and the training can be poor mainly down to cutting cost, not properly qualified instructors
and not having enough time to carry out the training to the correct standard. Actually part of the reason I got out and ended up driving again before I retired.

A little story for you, a training company (not one I worked for BTW) preferred to take on new drivers, put them through their vocational licence and train them up as opposed to taking on X coach drivers and lorry drivers who were set in their ways with far too many bad habits. (Not all of course) But that company found by doing that there pass rates were far higher and the candidates were much happier.

A very good lorry or coach driver may NOT make a good instructor. In fact a lot don’t. One thing being able to drive but it’s another being able to transfer the correct info over in the correct manner.

Oh and last but not least, where exactly did I say I was ignoring you. I didn’t. I said hit the ignore button or scroll past my posts if you don’t like them.

Now I need a beer or six. :laughing:

Well you put a fair point accross without the insults, I know nothing about training you are correct there.
Although I don’t agree with everything you have said I still respect your point of view and you have put it accross in a way that makes sense without the drama.

Appreciated, thanks. I am not really bad guy, just a bit of an ■■■■ on here sometimes. I admit it. :blush:

Im ex Police and Ambo, 12 years in total combined.

Carryfast:

Zac_A:
The “blue light” training these guys do is pretty full-on, I’m confident they know what they’re doing, and I’m betting there’s at least one person on TN who has experience of that?

There seems to be an issue of them now being told to minimise use of audible warnings which can be lethal for all concerned at blind junctions.They generally approach them on just blue lights then use the noise too little and too late if at all.
It’s only ambulances doing it not fire or the law.
Absolutely nothing can excuse what this miscreant did he clearly has serious mental issues leaving the question of what he’ll do next.

Not sure where tou picked that up from, its certainly not the case for any NHS Emergency Ambulance Service. However i can testify from experience that some members of staff have no interest in driving and standards are not quite what youd expect. For this reason there is very slowly a system being introduced where you will have to requalify every 3-5 years to retain your blue light status.

As for the training, NHS will do 3 weeks condensed advanced/high speed/blue lights which is on par with the Police Advanced level. Its not that hard to pass so long as you are safe, one of my cohort passed and he was not fit for a driving licence let alone high speed driving of a 4 tonne ambulance, the ser ice cant afford to fail potential students and before they started recruiting direct entrant university kids driving was the first thing you did before you went on to do your clinical course.

My Police driver training was in N.Ireland with the RUC back in 1999.

I never had anything like this, but ive had plenty of drivers try to follow me at speed when traffic is clearing for me, thats why its classed as high risk and none of us would blue light unless we we had too but unfortunately in the Ambo service the policy is such that they dictate your blue light response, and in reality 80% of blue light runs were never ever justified!!!

The Police get to choose if they blue light to a job based on its category.

As for trucks not using sirens, it depends upon the situation as some services wstate in their driving policy that sirens must be used at all times when on blues, however some services let the driver use their judgement and to use them when appropriate.
When approaching non moving traffic and red lights it is bad practice to activate sirens as chances are youll push car drivers thru a red light into oncoming traffic. Ots better to let the light go green whilst holding back with your blues on amd then once green activate them, thats also what is currently taught under the CERAD qual, Same as the IHCD syllabus back in the day.

As for leaving them on 24/7, it ■■■■■■ locals off in a housing development area, as WMAS used to run that policy and in the middle of Wolvo at 2am running on sirens when there was no LOGICAL need soon got lots of complaints, policy changed shortly after! The driver should also be switched on enough to know whennis and when is not appropriate, its part of the training like the information phase in your advanced drive plan, Take use and give appropriate information, including all signals (sirens and lights) when required.

Youd not believe some of the conversations and ■■■■ that hapens inside that cab between crews its nothing like it is portarayed on reality tv thats for sure. I left for a reason, i wouldnt go back if you paid me…

Carryfast:

Zac_A:
The “blue light” training these guys do is pretty full-on, I’m confident they know what they’re doing, and I’m betting there’s at least one person on TN who has experience of that?

There seems to be an issue of them now being told to minimise use of audible warnings which can be lethal for all concerned at blind junctions.They generally approach them on just blue lights then use the noise too little and too late if at all.
It’s only ambulances doing it not fire or the law.
Absolutely nothing can excuse what this miscreant did he clearly has serious mental issues leaving the question of what he’ll do next.

Ambulances sometimes don’t use the sirens, because of the patient inside. Just like ambulances sometimes go slowly, despite having the blues and twos going.