The BMI in itself is as useful as a chocolate fireplace. To much emphasis placed on something that has too many fundamental issues.
tonka236:
The BMI in itself is as useful as a chocolate fireplace. To much emphasis placed on something that has too many fundamental issues.
My weight is fine, its my height that is on the low side 
Wow some really usefull hints and tips thanks alot! 
tonka236:
These things are fantastic, they fold up and take less space than a CD case but when used can help you burn off tricky fat whilst out on the road all week. Pretty much all exercises can be done with them…
Where can you get one of these from and how much?
tonka236:
These things are fantastic, they fold up and take less space than a CD case but when used can help you burn off tricky fat whilst out on the road all week. Pretty much all exercises can be done with them…
think i would chuck the rope in the bin and burn a few calories off with her instead
animal:
Lucy:
Yeah, although on the heavy side of it. It works out at a BMI of 23.3, where above 18 and below 25 is “healthy”.Unfortunately that dont work for me
as BMI only covers "average hight " not short or too tall
Ang, don’t try to kid anyone, you may be 4ft nowt but theres more fat on a butchers pencil
animal:
Lucy:
Yeah, although on the heavy side of it. It works out at a BMI of 23.3, where above 18 and below 25 is “healthy”.Unfortunately that dont work for me
Since (unless something has radically changed since I last saw you) you’d fall down the drain outside your house if you turned sideways, I don’t think you have anything to be worrying about, Ang. 
tonka236:
The BMI in itself is as useful as a chocolate fireplace. To much emphasis placed on something that has too many fundamental issues.
It’s a perfectly sensible guide for average Joe/Jane. If you’re an athlete/pro rugby player/something else that causes you to have shedloads of muscle then yes, it’s misleading as it will show you as being fat when you’re not, but for the VAST majority of people it works perfectly well to give you a goal.
Lucy:
animal:
Lucy:
Yeah, although on the heavy side of it. It works out at a BMI of 23.3, where above 18 and below 25 is “healthy”.Unfortunately that dont work for me
Since (unless something has radically changed since I last saw you) you’d fall down the drain outside your house if you turned sideways, I don’t think you have anything to be worrying about, Ang.
Lucy, if she turned sideways she would be on the missing persons register.
tt3641:
Wow some really usefull hints and tips thanks alot!tonka236:
These things are fantastic, they fold up and take less space than a CD case but when used can help you burn off tricky fat whilst out on the road all week. Pretty much all exercises can be done with them…
Where can you get one of these from and how much?
I picked up my set from Tesco (other supermarkets are available of course) for about £7ish quid. They also go by the name of pilates bands.
Lucy:
tonka236:
The BMI in itself is as useful as a chocolate fireplace. To much emphasis placed on something that has too many fundamental issues.It’s a perfectly sensible guide for average Joe/Jane. If you’re an athlete/pro rugby player/something else that causes you to have shedloads of muscle then yes, it’s misleading as it will show you as being fat when you’re not, but for the VAST majority of people it works perfectly well to give you a goal.
Not being nasty ust having a general debate ready for uni later this month
Describe average Joe/Jane for me please Lucy?
(From own experience) We by right lead very sedentary lives. We spend long times sat on your butts, either driving to or from drops/ports etc. Yes sometimes we have to help unload but generally we are backing on bays/ramps and then waiting for the shout to say your done.
Compare that to the intake of what is ‘normal’ during the day and we are screwed.
Things like skinfold test, waist to hip measurement is shortly a lot more unbiased?
I’d define “average Joe/Jane” as non-athletes/dancers/squaddies/other highly active types with above average muscle mass. Your average wagon driver does NOT fit into that category. If he/she is fat, it’s because they eat too much, not because they’re Mr Muscle and their BMI calculation is inaccurate because of it.
The skinfold test is no use whatsoever on anyone who’s had a baby, let alone more than one. Waist to hip measurement takes no account of differences in the shapes of skeletal frames. So those 2 methods are no better than BMI as you see it. Nothing’s perfect, of course it isn’t, but BMI gives a good enough “rule of thumb” for most people.
What DO you object to about BMI, btw? What do you think it’s biased towards?
Ps. Nowt wrong with a good debate. 
Lucy:
Nothing’s perfect, of course it isn’t, but BMI gives a good enough “rule of thumb” for most people.What DO you object to about BMI, btw? What do you think it’s biased towards?
Ps. Nowt wrong with a good debate.
I think the first line sums it up perfectly (in which case this is a very short lived debate!!) Its only good as a rule of thumb.
My personal issue is how heavily it is relied upon. Couple of years back, I was one of those healthy people. Truth be told I was playing (albeit at the bottom end) semi professional rugby. I was training three times a day each day every day. Sundays was my rest day which involved either playing golf all day or going walking. Usually taking in some hill as its better than me sitting around as I tend to eat when bored. I by the end of pre-season came in at 18st 2lb and a tad under 6ft2. Played that level week in and week out. Now I also gave blood whenever I was able but was told that due to my BMI being “Morbidly obese” then I could not donate bone marrow. Explained the above but I was told that Joe Bloggs who fits Healthy on the BMI does nothing but eats takeways is able.
Before anyone says Im not saying its an easy procedure
Its like saying define health I suppose?
Lucy:
Ps. Nowt wrong with a good debate.
invite some friends and have massdebate!! lol
there was a lad 12 yr old lad in our local rag this week hos parents have been told he is morbedly obesse
by a nurse after a bmi calculation dispite him playing in 3 different sports teams every week and a healthy diet and u could clearly see this lad was not over weight one bit if anything id say he had quite a big muscle mass for his age and you could tell he was gonna be a big bloke when he grew up
i train 3 times a week and try to eat healthy even though i love a takeaway im not a slim lad but fact is there is not substitute for healthy eating an a good workout weather it be weights or cardio
cliffton 27:
i train 3 times a week and try to eat healthy even though i love a takeaway im not a slim lad but fact is there is not substitute for healthy eating an a good workout weather it be weights or cardio
No true but health reason DO dictate your workout as now I cant do some of the things i used to do because of injure in the past etc so that does dictate my work out
animal:
cliffton 27:
i train 3 times a week and try to eat healthy even though i love a takeaway im not a slim lad but fact is there is not substitute for healthy eating an a good workout weather it be weights or cardioNo true but health reason DO dictate your workout as now I cant do some of the things i used to do because of injure in the past etc so that does dictate my work out
sorry to hear that animal but at least your doing a bit i got a mate i train with who used to bench 80/100k he has just broke a breast bone and can only handle 40k now but still trains what he lacks on his chest he makes up for it doing other body parts
tt3641:
Ive been working as a tramper for near on 10 weeks now and i really enjoy the life driving all over the country and earning good money, im even thinking about trying to get on the overseas work that my company does.Anyway what my main concern is that even though i dont eat at roadside cafes and the like (where eveything is either fried or deep fried!) i mainly eat out of my cab which is a broad mix of tinned food, noodles or ther dryed foods as well as fruit. but i cant seem to help but notice i have started to swell around the midsection i always was big and did struggle to loose weight but then i could always go for a run or hit the gym when not working but when your parked up in a layby for the night you cant go for a run down the hard shoulder can you? and ive yet to see a truck with a fitted shower (not even that scania longline i always see has one of them i bet!)
what im asking is how do you loose weight when dieting is not enough and still tramp out for a living??
any hints and tips will greatly be apreciated.
GASTRIC BAND
cliffton 27:
animal:
cliffton 27:
i train 3 times a week and try to eat healthy even though i love a takeaway im not a slim lad but fact is there is not substitute for healthy eating an a good workout weather it be weights or cardioNo true but health reason DO dictate your workout as now I cant do some of the things i used to do because of injure in the past etc so that does dictate my work out
sorry to hear that animal but at least your doing a bit i got a mate i train with who used to bench 80/100k he has just broke a breast bone and can only handle 40k now but still trains what he lacks on his chest he makes up for it doing other body parts
NP it is in the Family & Health forum if you wish to go & look
But have to try as otherwise would make it worse
Angela, you’re not overweight or lacking in basic fitness, so I really wouldn’t worry, Hun. Seriously. 
Tonka, I totally agree that in the case of those who have extra muscle mass due to playing serious sport the BMI index is no use at all, and can 100% understand the over-rigid application by people such as the Blood Bank making you angry - in that instance I agree that the situation is insane, frankly. However, it is about right for most people - the elderly are another category for whom it’s misleading as lack of muscle mass due to wastage with age gives misleadingly low readings.
The big danger is that by banging the drum against BMI without (initially) qualifying that statement, you risk giving your standard lard-arse yet another excuse not to do anything about their weight. Once you get outside the box-ticking culture of services manned by people unqualified to apply flexibility - again, like your Blood Bank example - it is widely accepted these days that there are groups for whom BMI is misleading, and that is taken into account when decisions are made, but you only have to look around you in your local truckstop/RDC/dock queue to know that very few drivers genuinely carry so much muscle that having a gut is ok. In fact, is having a gut ever ok unless you’re pregnant?
A cracking example resides in our yard. This particular driver - let’s call him Fred - is a truly huge bloke. He’s an ex-rugby playing Prop Forward and is built like the proverbial brick [zb]house. Fine, nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately he’s now a container driver, the most exercise he gets is walking to the kebab shop on a night, and I swear he’s due to give birth to twins at any second. Basically he’s now a very well-muscled middle-aged fat knacker. From time to time it bothers him and he tries to cut down, but when he gives in and has that extra Chinese of a night - after dinner in a cafe and then the pub - his standard excuse is that “I’ve always been big, even when I was 18, I’m an ex-Prop Forward”. Would a BMI check be misleading in Fred’s case? Yes, he genuinely does carry a huge about of muscle. But would the kick up the arse it may just give him prove useful? Yes, because he is also massively fat. So it’s purpose is served.
I have to admit to being a fan of the US Navy Body Fat Percentage Calculator (Google is your friend, there are plenty online), and that makes me the high end of healthy as well, so in my case BMI is a good guide, as it is for most.
beefy505:
Take a skipping rope with you, a quick 20 mins workout stood by the side of your wagon will bring on a decent sweat.Do 50 press-ups and sit-ups in your bunk every night or morning as well.
Paul.
(oh, hello as well)
i agree with you beefy stomach crunches on the bunk its easy aslo get some dumbbells
regards gazzap