robroy:
The Sarge:
robroy:
switchlogic:
If a driver can’t get through a standard working day without having a sleep in the middle then something is wrong somewhere.
The Sarge:
Beat me to it, Luke.
Looks as if I’ve been doing the job wrong then. If I feel tired I pull over and have 15mins power nap,
I’ve no desire to be a hero, and not ashamed of saying I feel tired sometimes.
Me too. just because the boss CAN dictate when I stop, doesn’t mean that I necessarily pay attention 
Yeh ok, but you’ve just agreed with Luke saying there is something wrong with a driver who has to stop for a sleep during a working day. 
Fact is, the Beat me to it post was to Luke’s first comment, but I sort of agree that if you HAVE to take a kip during the day, every day, then this might not be the job for you. Not you personally, but the “you” that comes with “them”
the nodding donkey:
I feel quite jealous of new drivers these days. Anything you’re not sure about, you can ask anonymously on the Internet. If the question turns out to be stupid, you can simply ignore the ensuing ridicule, sign up with another username, and your pride is intact.
Not like the old days, where a fresh faced youngster had to run a gauntlet of abuse from the old hands… 
You should see his post on the Owners forum
The simple answer is yes.
But
If your feeling tired or ill stop.
Its that simple.
There again if you regularly need to stop on an ongoing basis then there’s something wrong.
nick2008:
The simple answer is yes.
But
If your feeling tired or ill stop.
Its that simple.
There again if you regularly need to stop on an ongoing basis then there’s something wrong.
Couldn’t have put it better, or more succinctly!
robroy:
Early-Riser:
When doing a delivery to building sites, and you have to wait for that short period (approx. 5-10mins, though occasionally it can be a lot longer)) before the forklift gets round to unloading you, I was always under the impression this should be recorded as “period of availability,” but recently my employer has insisted I use it as my break instead, bearing in mind:-
- its unscheduled, so I may not necessarily have food with me at that point.
- At the start, I don’t know how long i’ll actually be waiting for.
- i’m parked in the middle of building site, so too noisy if I feel tired and want to have sleep as my usual starting time is 4am
- i can also end up in situation where I will have I’ve used all my 45 minute daily rest break before 8am.
I know i’d get another 15 mins in 6 hours, but that’s not the way I prefer to use my break, i’d rather get the delivery done and stop for food on my way back.
am I being niave in thinking my 45 minute break is for me to use for my “rest and recouperation” and therefore it should taken when I choose, not when it when it works out cheapest for my employer?
How long have you put up with this, you are obviously not happy with it (and quite rightly so) so have you told your boss, or have you just complied without any protest, or are you getting advice off here before your next move?
If it was me I would have nipped it in the bud on Day1. 
Your break is just that…a break, something you take when you feel YOU NEED a one , not something just to ‘get in’ prioritising on how much time you can save for your boss. 
Lets jus say in the past I’ve complied under protest, but It’s becoming more frequent and what you wrote is more or less my exact thoughts on the matter, as all breaks are unpaid, they see it as an opportunity for them to get out of having to pay me for time spent waiting on site, I havn’t flat out refused up to now as I wasn’t sure whether or not they did have the right to tell me when to have break.
I mean, I know all the tacho regulations, how long i’m allowed to drive/work before having to have breaks etc, but when it comes to the operators regulations and exactly what authority they have over me , I guess I don’t know as much as I maybe should.
Its not about feeling tired, or that I need to take regular breaks, I don’t.
look, its like this, at the moment, i’m required to give a printout at the end of every shift and I then have to explain the reason for EVERY stop that day. now, I’m not actually told I CAN’T take additional breaks, but I do get criticised for doing itI
They don’t like the thought of paying a driver for time spent waiting to be unloaded on site, so what they are trying to do is to make US use the 45 minutes break we get in 10 or 11hour day during this time as its an unpaid break.
F-reds:
the nodding donkey:
I feel quite jealous of new drivers these days. Anything you’re not sure about, you can ask anonymously on the Internet. If the question turns out to be stupid, you can simply ignore the ensuing ridicule, sign up with another username, and your pride is intact.
Not like the old days, where a fresh faced youngster had to run a gauntlet of abuse from the old hands…
You should see his post on the Owners forum
Had a feeling that it was going to be a Territorial VOSA/Weekend wheeltapper.
yourhavingalarf:
My break.
My time.
My decision.
End of.
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when I have my breaks I used them to maximise my potential earnings, so I work out if I take a break now waiting for forkie to come load or off load me ill be able to miss traffic/ return quicker n get another load / return quicker n finish / return and not use a 15 hour day… then my boss may ask me to take a break n when I do when I feel like it next time I have a hour sleeping… use your head n work round it, do what feels right for you… I know guys who would sit on a bay for a few hours drive out the yard n have a 45… I would spend 3 hours on break sleeping, sometimes 9 if its a long wait… I would ring my boss n drag it out to what best suited then go… drivers used to laugh until they seen my wage… shame as I miss my fridge job as I met a women n now paying for it 
Early-Riser:
robroy:
Early-Riser:
When doing a delivery to building sites, and you have to wait for that short period (approx. 5-10mins, though occasionally it can be a lot longer)) before the forklift gets round to unloading you, I was always under the impression this should be recorded as “period of availability,” but recently my employer has insisted I use it as my break instead, bearing in mind:-
- its unscheduled, so I may not necessarily have food with me at that point.
- At the start, I don’t know how long i’ll actually be waiting for.
- i’m parked in the middle of building site, so too noisy if I feel tired and want to have sleep as my usual starting time is 4am
- i can also end up in situation where I will have I’ve used all my 45 minute daily rest break before 8am.
I know i’d get another 15 mins in 6 hours, but that’s not the way I prefer to use my break, i’d rather get the delivery done and stop for food on my way back.
am I being niave in thinking my 45 minute break is for me to use for my “rest and recouperation” and therefore it should taken when I choose, not when it when it works out cheapest for my employer?
How long have you put up with this, you are obviously not happy with it (and quite rightly so) so have you told your boss, or have you just complied without any protest, or are you getting advice off here before your next move?
If it was me I would have nipped it in the bud on Day1.
Your break is just that…a break, something you take when you feel YOU NEED a one , not something just to ‘get in’ prioritising on how much time you can save for your boss.
Lets jus say in the past I’ve complied under protest, but It’s becoming more frequent and what you wrote is more or less my exact thoughts on the matter, as all breaks are unpaid, they see it as an opportunity for them to get out of having to pay me for time spent waiting on site, I havn’t flat out refused up to now as I wasn’t sure whether or not they did have the right to tell me when to have break.
I mean, I know all the tacho regulations, how long i’m allowed to drive/work before having to have breaks etc, but when it comes to the operators regulations and exactly what authority they have over me , I guess I don’t know as much as I maybe should.
If you don’t get paid for any time recorded as break and if you want to keep you wtd hours down, then you are one of the rare cases that should use poa. Any time spent waiting like that should definitely be paid for. They are taking the ■■■■.
If you’re not bothered about wtd hours, then leave it on other work.
It does sound like they’re taking the ■■■■ on breaks to me but the OP has made himself sound like a bit of a fanny so can’t decide.
If you’re not happy somewhere look for another job it’s not really possible for one guy to change the culture in a company so it’s pointless trying.
I’d never let someone tell me when to take a break, as stated above, I’ve let my tacho hit 44 mins and then turn it to cross hammers, because if I let I clear, the next break I need will be a 45 and not a 30, this might stop me being able to spend the night somewhere I would rather, or making it home on my last day.
As far as I’m concerned, if I can have a brew and a ■■■, and maybe a bite to eat, I’m on break.
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Early-Riser:
Its not about feeling tired, or that I need to take regular breaks, I don’t.
look, its like this, at the moment, i’m required to give a printout at the end of every shift and I then have to explain the reason for EVERY stop that day. now, I’m not actually told I CAN’T take additional breaks, but I do get criticised for doing itI
They don’t like the thought of paying a driver for time spent waiting to be unloaded on site, so what they are trying to do is to make US use the 45 minutes break we get in 10 or 11hour day during this time as its an unpaid break.
Leave! Seriously mate just leave, there are companies out there who value a good driver, your lot don’t and obviously think that it’s ok to treat drivers as something “less” than them. Find another job and for the sake of your dignity if nothing else walk away without a backward glance.
Early-Riser:
Its not about feeling tired, or that I need to take regular breaks, I don’t.
look, its like this, at the moment, i’m required to give a printout at the end of every shift and I then have to explain the reason for EVERY stop that day. now, I’m not actually told I CAN’T take additional breaks, but I do get criticised for doing itI
They don’t like the thought of paying a driver for time spent waiting to be unloaded on site, so what they are trying to do is to make US use the 45 minutes break we get in 10 or 11hour day during this time as its an unpaid break.
You really should post that on the ex pats site.It might make some of those moaning about mileage based pay think again.
I also deliver to building sites, and at no time do I put it on break while waiting to tip. I MAY use poa, or I MAY just leave it on other work, depending on how I feel that day. I will have a break when I want one, not when the office say so, and as long as I meet the statutory requirements laid down in law, then the office have no argument.
Case in point:
Our customer, as well as the office, can see us on the tracker. Today I walked in for my 2nd load, and on the board it said that I would arrive at 10:50 according to the information they have seen. I waltzed in at just after 11:20 after having a 15 minute break, and catching a little traffic en route. Nothing said. While loading, we have to stay in the cab, or the canteen or safe area, so I had another 30 minute break to clear everything before recommencing work 34 minutes later. I could have, if I wanted, pulled out of the yard and had my 30 minute then but to have it while loading was MY decision, not the office.
Ken.
The only time I make exceptions is when I’m in the hell hole ( London )
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the maoster:
Early-Riser:
Its not about feeling tired, or that I need to take regular breaks, I don’t.
look, its like this, at the moment, i’m required to give a printout at the end of every shift and I then have to explain the reason for EVERY stop that day. now, I’m not actually told I CAN’T take additional breaks, but I do get criticised for doing itI
They don’t like the thought of paying a driver for time spent waiting to be unloaded on site, so what they are trying to do is to make US use the 45 minutes break we get in 10 or 11hour day during this time as its an unpaid break.
Leave! Seriously mate just leave, there are companies out there who value a good driver, your lot don’t and obviously think that it’s ok to treat drivers as something “less” than them. Find another job and for the sake of your dignity if nothing else walk away without a backward glance.
yeah, i’m thinking might not be the right time just yet, what,with recent political events n all. if there’s one positive aspect to my current job, its the job security
