Beat me to it, Luke.
I always remember a driver waiting 5 hrs for his truck , when he eventually got it he went 1/2 hr up the road and pulled over for 1/2 hr for the 6 hr rule , apparently the t. 0 when into meltdown 
Judging by some of the replies on here, I can clearly see why some drivers are treated like complete bell-ends by their bosses! 
robroy:
the nodding donkey:
Early-Riser:
When doing a delivery to building sites, and you have to wait for that short period (approx. 5-10mins, though occasionally it can be a lot longer)) before the forklift gets round to unloading you, I was always under the impression this should be recorded as “period of availability,” but recently my employer has insisted I use it as my break instead, bearing in mind:-
- its unscheduled, so I may not necessarily have food with me at that point.
- At the start, I don’t know how long i’ll actually be waiting for.
- i’m parked in the middle of building site, so too noisy if I feel tired and want to have sleep as my usual starting time is 4am
- i can also end up in situation where I will have I’ve used all my 45 minute daily rest break before 8am.
I know i’d get another 15 mins in 6 hours, but that’s not the way I prefer to use my break, i’d rather get the delivery done and stop for food on my way back.
am I being niave in thinking my 45 minute break is for me to use for my “rest and recouperation” and therefore it should taken when I choose, not when it when it works out cheapest for my employer?Either the CPC training really is not worth the time and effort, or the O.P. is having a laugh.
Definitely BOTH.
+1
You have to wonder why some compromise hasn’t been reached by this employer and its employee’s. We also don’t know whether the employee’s are extracting the urine and sitting around waiting most of the day and then taking breaks on top, or whether the employer is trying to run them ragged…
When I’ve done multi-drop I tried to work by breaks into my waiting time within reason, some days that worked well and some days it didn’t. Yes you get days where you could have taken a 45 before 9 or 10 am, and therefore may not need another break beyond a 15 for the rest of the day, as you won’t hit your 4.5 hour drive time limit. On those days I would then normally take another short break later at my convenience, but not always. But as I wasn’t being run ragged and being chased by the office, I appreciated that and felt I had adequate breaks throughout the day anyway. I also like to think that because I was trusted to be getting on with the job, they didn’t need to be chasing me…
However if I was taking my breaks exclusively when they suited me, and doing lots of waiting at drops as well, could I really complain when the office are on the phone chasing me? 
switchlogic:
If a driver can’t get through a standard working day without having a sleep in the middle then something is wrong somewhere.
The Sarge:
Beat me to it, Luke.
Seriously!!
Have you 2 ever actually done this job.
I feel quite jealous of new drivers these days. Anything you’re not sure about, you can ask anonymously on the Internet. If the question turns out to be stupid, you can simply ignore the ensuing ridicule, sign up with another username, and your pride is intact.
Not like the old days, where a fresh faced youngster had to run a gauntlet of abuse from the old hands…
bigKris:
switchlogic:
If a driver can’t get through a standard working day without having a sleep in the middle then something is wrong somewhere.The Sarge:
Beat me to it, Luke.Seriously!!
Have you 2 ever actually done this job.
I wondered about this. I have suspected Luke to be using a green screen.
Language ‘No’
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Albanian … Jo
Arabic … laa
Armenian … Votch
Azerbaijani … Yox
Basque … Ez
Bengali … Na
Bosnian … Ne
Breton … Nann
Bulgarian … Ne
Cantonese … m hai
Catalan …No
Cornish … Na
Creole … Non
Croatian … Ne
Czech … Ne
Danish … Nej
Dutch … Nee
English … No
Esperanto … Ne
Estonian … Ei
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French … Non
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Malaysian … tidak
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Hope that answers your question!
Or in trucker speak … F.off!
Evil8Beezle:
You have to wonder why some compromise hasn’t been reached by this employer and its employee’s. We also don’t know whether the employee’s are extracting the urine and sitting around waiting most of the day and then taking breaks on top, or whether the employer is trying to run them ragged…When I’ve done multi-drop I tried to work by breaks into my waiting time within reason, some days that worked well and some days it didn’t. Yes you get days where you could have taken a 45 before 9 or 10 am, and therefore may not need another break beyond a 15 for the rest of the day, as you won’t hit your 4.5 hour drive time limit. On those days I would then normally take another short break later at my convenience, but not always. But as I wasn’t being run ragged and being chased by the office, I appreciated that and felt I had adequate breaks throughout the day anyway. I also like to think that because I was trusted to be getting on with the job, they didn’t need to be chasing me…
However if I was taking my breaks exclusively when they suited me, and doing lots of waiting at drops as well, could I really complain when the office are on the phone chasing me?
This sums it up for me.^^^
You have got to separate the tachograph regulations from working conditions. They were never intended to be the same thing for very good reasons.
Do what you must to avoid a tacho offence (put it on break if you meet the definition) and then if required take whatever additional personal breaks you need to ensure both you and your boss are getting a fair deal at work that day and if asked just be frank with them. Use fair working conditions argument and not tacho graph technicalities.
Considering 44 minutes counts only as a 15 minute break and you are entitled to another 30 mins later I don’t see a big problem here.
I don’t sympathise with guys who doze and read while on the bay and then claim they are due a 45 when they go out the gate.
On the other hand if you are waiting 15 to 30 or minutes but employer is not playing any way fair later in the day why not do a 35 second shunt every 14 minutes and no break at all will be recorded. Using the tacho as a weapon to get fair play is last resort but sometimes necessary with a crap office while I would look for a better job.
Try to be fair and not yet another bellend would be my 2 cents.
An employer can only dictate when a driver can take their break if the driver has no backbone. Tell them to ■■■■ off.
bigKris:
switchlogic:
If a driver can’t get through a standard working day without having a sleep in the middle then something is wrong somewhere.The Sarge:
Beat me to it, Luke.Seriously!!
Have you 2 ever actually done this job.
Only for about twentyfive years. Luke?
switchlogic:
If a driver can’t get through a standard working day without having a sleep in the middle then something is wrong somewhere.
The Sarge:
Beat me to it, Luke.
Looks as if I’ve been doing the job wrong then. If I feel tired I pull over and have 15mins power nap,
I’ve no desire to be a hero, and not ashamed of saying I feel tired sometimes.
Hurryup&wait:
You have got to separate the tachograph regulations from working conditions. They were never intended to be the same thing for very good reasons.Do what you must to avoid a tacho offence (put it on break if you meet the definition) and then if required take whatever additional personal breaks you need to ensure both you and your boss are getting a fair deal at work that day and if asked just be frank with them. Use fair working conditions argument and not tacho graph technicalities.
Considering 44 minutes counts only as a 15 minute break and you are entitled to another 30 mins later I don’t see a big problem here.
I don’t sympathise with guys who doze and read while on the bay and then claim they are due a 45 when they go out the gate.
On the other hand if you are waiting 15 to 30 or minutes but employer is not playing any way fair later in the day why not do a 35 second shunt every 14 minutes and no break at all will be recorded. Using the tacho as a weapon to get fair play is last resort but sometimes necessary with a crap office while I would look for a better job.
Try to be fair and not yet another bellend would be my 2 cents.
Pretty sure there’s nothing in that post that I disagree with. Just couldn’t be arsed putting it in a post. Thank you 
robroy:
switchlogic:
If a driver can’t get through a standard working day without having a sleep in the middle then something is wrong somewhere.The Sarge:
Beat me to it, Luke.Looks as if I’ve been doing the job wrong then. If I feel tired I pull over and have 15mins power nap,
I’ve no desire to be a hero, and not ashamed of saying I feel tired sometimes.
Me too. just because the boss CAN dictate when I stop, doesn’t mean that I necessarily pay attention 
switchlogic:
Why not? In every other walk of working life employees have breaks when told to.
To be fair in a factory we knew we’d get a set 1 hour for lunch at around the mid shift point.We didn’t have to reduce that by calling time spent hanging around at the stores waiting for materials to be issued,as part of our ‘break’.Although it was often more of a time for a rest and reading the paper than lunch time was. 
Although that was probably based more on the pre EU ‘workers rights’ regime. 
The Sarge:
robroy:
switchlogic:
If a driver can’t get through a standard working day without having a sleep in the middle then something is wrong somewhere.The Sarge:
Beat me to it, Luke.Looks as if I’ve been doing the job wrong then. If I feel tired I pull over and have 15mins power nap,
I’ve no desire to be a hero, and not ashamed of saying I feel tired sometimes.Me too. just because the boss CAN dictate when I stop, doesn’t mean that I necessarily pay attention
Yeh ok, but you’ve just agreed with Luke saying there is something wrong with a driver who has to stop for a sleep during a working day. 
robroy:
Yeh ok, but you’ve just agreed with Luke saying there is something wrong with a driver who has to stop for a sleep during a working day.
But to be fair Luke doesn’t seem to have ever worked as a council driver under domestic regs.He only knows ze German EU based work ethic.
Carryfast:
robroy:
Yeh ok, but you’ve just agreed with Luke saying there is something wrong with a driver who has to stop for a sleep during a working day.But to be fair Luke doesn’t seem to have ever worked as a council driver under domestic regs.He only knows ze German EU based work ethic.
I’m sure that once you have posted that salient fact that Luke as we speak is rushing off down to the council offices for an application form.