Can anyone help - Roping and Sheeting Serious Request

stevieboy308:
although i’m going to knock a point off for not having your front wheels straight :laughing: :laughing:

Quite right “stevie”,but if IIRC the motor had just called into the depot for derv before continuing on it’s journey and the driver had pulled around off the pumps and then nipped into the traffic office (or bogs!!) so I took the shot!! The only critisim I have made about this shot is I was always taught to have the hung sheet on the nearside and then you had a smooth sheet along the O/s,if that makes sense !! However,it is a well sheeted and roped job as these loads of on end staggered reels of Tissue were real barstewards to S & R,but had a great set of shunters and drivers who were well up for the challenge.Cheers Bewick. :sunglasses: :sunglasses:

Bking:
For all the [zb] anobody on here can teach you how to rope and sheet in “one easy lesson”!
They are full of bollox.
Because roping and sheeting is like good ■■■

The more you practise with different loads the better you get.

Hey Bking,

Got to break my virginity somewhere though ain’t I bud. As said above you’ll always get the talk on here, if someone can teach me and get me just slightly ahead of the competition when I go to see this place, then I’ll have all the time in the world to learn.

But if I don’t try and we aren’t willing to teach others, then you end up with the situations we have today in many industries and that just ain’t clever!

Thanks for taking the time to stop by. I’ll leave you on this note, my wife always wants a tripod in the bedroom, but I’m a engineer and have loads of them, why don’t I bring them home?! :laughing:

C

gonzothejaffa1:

Bewick:
Well strip the ropes and sheets off this load and start again using the same gear,give us all a laugh !! :laughing: :wink:

anytime fella :sunglasses:

Aye OK Fella ! :wink:

drummerkev:
I didnt wonder what the leather hat was about at truckfest dude… now it all becomes clear!

It may have been a while since you have been to manchester… but you really are missing nothing!

I shall show you koffee pot when your up this way in the city centre, cracking cafe! I have enjoyed many breakfasts in there at dinnertime!

Dude that weren’t leather it was 100% crushable wool and a $5 Indiana Jones Hat…And before you ask, the missus has the whip!!! :open_mouth:

C

Bewick:

Bking:
For all the [zb] anobody on here can teach you how to rope and sheet in “one easy lesson”!
They are full of bollox.
Because roping and sheeting is like good ■■■

The more you practise with different loads the better you get.

My sentiments exactly “Bking”,spot on with your analysis!! I’ve heard it all now, Sheeting and Roping by correspondence course on line.[zb] well immpossible,the craft of sheeting and roping cannot be taught either by e.mail or by a fleeting visit to some trailer park for a couple of hours!! All I can say is there could be a very dangerous load taking to the roads if this guy is let loose by his prospective employer,very irresponsible if you ask me, but of course this is modern day road transport at its best,the mind boggles and am I glad to out of it ! :unamused: :unamused: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: Bewick.

Hey Bewick,

You arrived here safely then bud.

I’ve been waiting for you to join the party with great anticipation.

But I’m genuinely disappointed in the response, as some on here had PM’d me about contacting you and held you in great esteem. I was hoping you might have said something useful. :unamused:

Dad said there’d always be blokes like you in this game, but I’ve never had the pleasure of meeting them on the road yet…hey a first time for me again. Both of us have always wondered though why you could never find them forward gears easily :laughing:

You had to learn all manner of driving skills at one time in your life didn’t you? It’s not an innate knowledge you was born with and you can’t kid us on here that it was either, as that’d be porkies now!

There were men before you who was doing this job, like my grandfather etc. He would have passed the skills on to others to learn, so why can’t I learn bud, like you did?

Why does it have to be a dark art that you 30-40+ years experienced drivers hold all the secrets too. My father (he’s got 40+ year’s experience of driving HGV’s by the way) said if I can find someone to show me in 2013 how to rope and sheet. I’m to listen intently and put the time in to practice and then listen to what will be taught to me if I pass the job interview, I might just learn something along the way.

Also why can’t I attempt to gain the experience of starting to learn a new skill, seriously?

People holding onto skills and not sharing them is how important skills are lost. As unfortunately you and I won’t be on this planet forever! One of the main reasons why some trades die off in this world now, purely because of egotistical attitudes and the kids can’t be bothered with listening to the BS rather than showing some respect to the teacher and vice versa with the teacher giving some respect to the pupil trying to learn.

If you hadn’t noticed on the road, there are not many places that do rope and sheeting. So it is harder to find the people to show you things like this in practice, which is what I have always asked for on here.

No-one’s teaching me by email are they■■? They are giving me stuff to practice and try to get straight in my head, a bit like a theory so I can actually understand what is going on. Rather than just tying a knot and not knowing why it is done or what it’s importance is. Now that would be dangerous wouldn’t it, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and all that etc!

And there was no way I was going to go to trailer park for three hours and then walk away saying I know it all, got the T-shirt. I have not got a clue where you interpreted that from (Jesus, man I’m in my mid thirties now, I know not to be cocky as you’ll end up zbing up in a major way, no matter what job you do, be it driving or screwing or surgery).

I sure as hell won’t let myself say at the interview or try and kid people I know everything. Because guess what…unlike some on here I don’t know everything. The ones who say they know everything are usually the most dangerous ones of all!

Firstly you didn’t read the OP very carefully, this is for an assessment for a job interview. However I know enough about the company to know they only do flat bed work, be it just a rigid/artic, with/without, HIAB/Moffett, so I already know there’s going to be quite a bit of roping and sheeting involved in the job.

Also you made an incredibly large assumption, which is making you and me look like an arse now (another good thing about trucknet is that it is supposed to be about reading and comprehension, yet quite a lot of us on here seem to struggle with that basic task).

The employer I’ve already had two chats with about this particular job. Once on the phone and the other in person. I’ve already been told, I’d be very lucky to be going out on my own, doing my own loads and driving on my own within the first 4-6 months if I am successful and my initial salary is going to reflect that fact, unfortunately for me.

Because hey guess what, they are going to be training me, so I can at least do the job safely, maybe not up to your very experienced standards of a corner being sharper than a samauri sword, but I would like to hope that I can get close to that standard as time goes by.

This particular company have two specialities I would really like to be able to do and if I can show aptitude, I would really want to get into. Coupled with the fact they have been in business before my Dad started driving, so they must be doing something right to have survived this long.

Also they are within a 20-25 minutes drive of where I live now, so a reasonable commute and they don’t tend to do nights out.

So there you go, you’ll most probably take it as a personal attack and get in a huff. Then might come back on here and say zbing this and zbing that to me and about me, but hey ho, you might not. However whatever you say now I can’t help how you feel towards those helping me and my generation of drivers.

You know the most disappointing thing for me was, I hoped you was going to say that you’d be willing to pass some of your experience on to me in person, as I was willing to travel anywhere for the help. Hell even Carryfast recommended you, and that’s with me and him bickering at the moment.

But alas we know that won’t happen unfortunately for me. You’ll just slag us youngsters off over a keyboard instead, which I’m not even youngster at my age now, instead. :frowning:

You know what we say on construction sites now, about our skill shortages and even some skill losses in my game. The Second World War baby boomer generation are a very selfish and bitter generation towards later generations. I for one, am not sure why? As I am willing to listen to those more experienced than me in whatever skill they possess that I don’t, as guess what, I reckon they can teach me a thing or two.

And if they do teach me something and it stays in, I might stand out a little better from the crowd and be alright in the future.

I don’t know whether you are like that, so I am not going to say that about you. As I’ve need had the chance to meet you in person, to assess whether you are truly like that.

Shame we didn’t get a chance meet in person though and you felt like posting that comment, especially saying that about others who were genuinely trying to help me with my query.

My initial OP was that if someone can show me the knots and the kind of things I need to bear in mind. Surely common sense would say that I’d stand out a bit better than the other candidates applying as I’d have an understanding of what they are trying to do.

That prosepective employer then may believe that I am geniunely interested in learning how to do the job properly and safely. Rather than the majority of bs and blaggers they have to sift through nowadays!

On a positive now, thank you for taking the time to post the pictures and also that wooden toy truck looks very smart.

Take care out there.

C

gonzothejaffa1:
and Constantine more than happy to help fella I sometimes get down your neck of the woods if I do I will pm you :wink:

Gonzo, it would be a pleasure to meet you sir and if I get a chance to come North now, then it looks like I will have to but three breakfast now!

:laughing:

C

Bewick:

gonzothejaffa1:

Bewick:
Well strip the ropes and sheets off this load and start again using the same gear,give us all a laugh !! :laughing: :wink:

anytime fella :sunglasses:

Aye OK Fella ! :wink:

somehow I get this impression that you doubt my abilities ■■?

How can I doubt your abilities “Gonzo” when I haven’t a clue who you are ? You may possibly be a fine master of the craft of sheeting and roping,but then again you may also be a “fast eddie troll” who hasn’t got a clue about the almost extinct craft?You may,or may not, have looked at the Bewick Transport threads and seen the standards we used to maintain regarding sheeting and roping so the various photos speak for themselves ! Cheers Bewick.

times change but the dinosaurs die :smiley: :smiley:

fast eddie troll - check

i’m sweating now :laughing: :laughing:

stevieboy308:
fast eddie troll - check

i’m sweating now :laughing: :laughing:

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green456:
times change but the dinosaurs die :smiley: :smiley:

Your quite right about dinosaurs,but as times change it’s not always for the best ?

gonzothejaffa1:

stevieboy308:
fast eddie troll - check

i’m sweating now :laughing: :laughing:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

All I did was suggest the very best possibility and the worst !! :wink:

stevieboy308:
fast eddie troll - check

i’m sweating now :laughing: :laughing:

It’s going to be one hell of a “house” jackpot when it comes in bud, some say you might be able to retire from trucking forever and set up roping and sheeting truck companies, your future generations will get to go into private education and fancy houses, with “private healthcare and ambulances” too! :laughing: :wink:

Seriously though:

Martinviking thank you so much for helping me today and showing me how to do the knot, including in its double and triple form and for having the patience of a saint for working with a left handed person, which we forgot about being quite crucial to our day as a whole. Glad some of my ambidextrous abilities came in handy though!

And also showing me the importance of how and why they sheet is folded in that fashion across the whole of your cul-de-sac, I was waiting for a car to come in and drive over that you know! :laughing:

Still struggling with doing them bloody half hitches so much though, what’s that all about, Jesus how can something so simple be made so hard by cack handness! :laughing:

The lounge door is being put through its paces as we speak! :open_mouth:

But I’m now not doing my Tommy Cooper trick of making the knot disappear. So I best remember to wear my watch on Tuesday :wink:

Other than that now I’ve got to concentrate on the assessment drive itself now. As I’ve never done an assessment drive for anyone yet, they always just given me the keys, no questions asked! :wink: :open_mouth:

On a separate note Bewick am I wasting my time in trying to do job assessment, you never responded to my post above? :frowning:

You took the mickey out of us all indirectly, but I never got a reply to what I was actually trying to do and achieve firstly. That’s never a good reflection on any of us including me taking the mickey too!

Or is this just a hijacking of the thread about how the world changes and how it upsets us as we all get older. (Don’t worry, it does me too sometimes!). Fortunately, when you look at it objectively, the world usually does change for the better when we work together! :sunglasses: Its when we bicker and lose focus that it all goes ■■■■ up for all concerned!

C

Glad you don’t take it personal “Constantine” and I’m only sorry I can’t be of practical assistance,but how I wish I could turn the clock back and set you to work with a cross section of some of the great shunters we employed,and some of the drivers.I’ll garantee you one thing,that after a few weeks they would either make you or break you (which sometimes happened to one or two who fancied becoming a Class 1 driver with Bewick Transport) but if you made the grade you would be able to hold your own at any of the great old Hauliers up and down the UK.All the best in your endeavours anyway,Cheers Bewick.

Bewick:
I’ll garantee you one thing,that after a few weeks they would either make you or break you (which sometimes happened to one or two who fancied becoming a Class 1 driver with Bewick Transport) but if you made the grade you would be able to hold your own at any of the great old Hauliers up and down the UK.All the best in your endeavours anyway,Cheers Bewick.

Got to be able to take a ribbing, I’ll could be a new boy soon and not even worthy of making the tea :laughing: Hell they still take the mickey out of me in my current occupation, but alas when it comes to the complex stuff we always get our heads down and concentrate on the task at hand and achieve it! :smiley:

Its the breaking that worries me a little, if I made the grade as I’d be disappointed in myself, I’ve never given up a job because it was hard, but this could be a first like any other job!

I don’t think you would have approved of my very first hospital corner today! :laughing:

But I’ve got to crawl before I walk. I’ve got to get past the interview and driving assessment first and even then stand out from the other applicants. All of which are big ifs and I could fall at any stage and not make the grade! I’ll try my hardest not too fail that’s for sure.

My Dad said, he wished his favourite local company and TM was still around and alive now, as he reckoned he’d have made sure I never started in driving as a whole…Now there’s real parental encouragement :laughing:

I’ll let you all know how Tuesday goes and I hope I do get to meet some of you who gave tips and comments in real life and maybe see some of it for real again, if I don’t make the grade!

Thank you again for all of you taking the time to help me with the very basics, so I don’t look like a total tard!

C

good luck fella

Thanks Stevieboy308!

Going to need show some steel, literally when I go there! :laughing:

Sorry we never made the “house” :laughing:

Take care out there.

C

It was good to meet you Dan.

We really needed to spend some more time sheeting but my trailer wasn’t the best/easiest piece of equipment to work with, the best way is to get on a full sized wagon with proper canvas sheet’s (& a Force 10 wind to help :laughing: )
I forgot to make that origami example of how to fold it, but I’m sure you will pick it up along the way especially as you will be double manning for the first few days.

Got to admit- it was funny watching you try, time after time to achieve the Knots & Hitches :confused: but I think you got there in the end. (it took me a few loads & lots of swearing to get it right when I first got taught :smiley: )

You’ve got to treat Ropes like Women- Gentle & talk to them nice without swearing or they’ll get Tangled up & be a Pain in the Arse. Don’t forget, Never leave knots in them (If you do, you’re not a professional driver, you’re just a KNOB)

At least you’ve got some video to refer to (not like Eddie’s Trucks & Trailers, more like Candid Camera :laughing: )

Good Luck on Tuesday, you’ve got the right attitude to do well. Just take your time on the assessment & brush up on drivers hours, speed limits & vehicle checks (before you are taken on the road, do your own walk round check, even if the assessor say’s “its ok mate, I checked it this morning” shows your a bit more professional than Johnny Ballshit trying his luck !)

Constantine:
Thanks Stevieboy308!

Going to need show some steel, literally when I go there! :laughing:

Sorry we never made the “house” :laughing:

Take care out there.

C

It’s probably for the best, to be honest I had doubts that my dabber would’ve lasted the duration!!