Calais to dover, "rioting" migrants video

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Yoni:
I’m just saying fair distribution among all EU countries.

Why? We are a small island. Are you really suggesting we should take the same number as the likes of Spain and France who are much larger than us?

Yoni:
PEOPLE trying to find a better life.

You hand wringers love to spout this line. But you always duck the question of why they want to come through a dozen other perfectly good countries to come to this one illegally. So tell me why. Why not stay in France,Spain,Germany or wherever to sit at Calais and stowaway in the back of a truck to get to the UK? Ive already said in the past its to do with our overly generous benefit system,NHS and PC “shout racism if you dont get your own way” guardianists. But id love to hear YOUR reasons behind why it simply MUST be the UK they get to

Yoni:
The reason they come here is that all western countries have looted, raided and exploited African and other countries for hundreds of years and still continue to.

They get plenty of money from the UK in foreign aid etc. If it ends up with corrupt polititions over there and not going to those that really need it,then i’m afraid that’s not my problem.

Yoni:
the UK takes the lowest amounts of refugees of all EU countries

And? Someone has to be the lowest. Why not us? We are tiny compared to the less,and an island. I think we get more than our fair share,lowest amount in EU or not. But I bet you we arnt the lowest when it comes to dishing out foreign aid to these countries though

Yoni:
The UK doesn’t take any responsibility for their role in systematically exploiting former colonies

Apart from sending billions in foreign aid to them while telling us we need to accept billions of pounds of cuts in public services of course. You mean apart from that?

Yoni:
Truck drivers are faced with the consequences of the Government’s policies on this issue, which is where you ALL should be aiming your frustration and anger to.

Well I wont argue with you there. The Government has decided its up to the truck drivers to be responsible like some sort of border control bouncers and issuing fines. But these migrants know full well they risk the driver getting fined thousands of pounds and dont give a ■■■■. All THEY want is to be on British soil so they can claim asylum. So I think it more than fair that at least some anger goes to wards them.

Yoni:
Blaming the PEOPLE who are victims of this cruel policy for what the rich, the establishment and the Tories are responsible for is racist, ignorant and stupid.

Like all those who use the word racist,the actual meaning of the word seems to be lost on you. Noone is saying “keep the foreigners out”. What we ARE saying however is why should we have to accept people coming over here,claiming benefits,putting more pressure on the NHS etc. There are other countries they can go to. Why the absolute desperation for it to be the UK?

Yoni:
We should show solidarity with people trying to come over here

Why?

Yoni:
who fight to survive like we do

By coming over here,claiming benefits and spending my tax money? Thats not surviving. Thats leeching. Someone set the guy at the end of my streets house on fire last year. Totally gutted it. I felt bad for him,but I didnt feel obliged to have him move in with me,feed and clothe him,give him money and support him for the rest of my life either

Yoni:
I’m not saying we should break the law

No,but you will stick up for the thousands who do it to get here though wont you

Yoni:
more likely that Camoron and his cronies

Not sure if spelling mistake or you meant it,but it describes him! :laughing:

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Carryfast:

Bach home:
The thing to remember about what happened in Germany, is that the party in power was called…

The national SOCIALIST German workers party.

^ This.

IE no respect of national borders or the idea of each to their own ( nativism ) and a social engineering agenda in one form or another. :bulb:

That’s what happens when they are forced up on us, these do gooders who claim that letting them stay here is a good thing, but they are not paying for them , not only this some who are already here don’t want to integrate don’t want to live our ways of life,observe our laws ect they seek to change our culture there are parts of this country that look like another country , If we went to their countries of origin and started to build churches or dress as we dress in this country it wouldn’t be tolerated, And some of these now British citizens have gone and joined terrorist groups to fight against our forces , they should be stripped of that citizenship immediately and banned from retuning to England , or found and quietly shot

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tommy t:

Carryfast:

Bach home:
The thing to remember about what happened in Germany, is that the party in power was called…

The national SOCIALIST German workers party.

^ This.

IE no respect of national borders or the idea of each to their own ( nativism ) and a social engineering agenda in one form or another. :bulb:

That’s what happens when they are forced up on us, these do gooders who claim that letting them stay here is a good thing, but they are not paying for them , not only this some who are already here don’t want to integrate don’t want to live our ways of life,observe our laws ect they seek to change our culture there are parts of this country that look like another country , If we went to their countries of origin and started to build churches or dress as we dress in this country it wouldn’t be tolerated,

Ironically the idea of ‘integration’ is just another form of Socialist type social engineering.IE we shouldn’t ‘expect’ any immigrant group to integrate with what to them is ( rightly ) a foreign culture and society nor should we expect vice versa in the case of the indigenous community.However the problems arise either when the ‘numbers’ reach a critical point at which the immigrant communities are able to form localised majorities and/or possibly turn hostile against the indigenous community.

Bearing in mind that history shows that the next stage is always the human nature idea of going for self determination along ethnic/cultural lines.Which in this case obviously means the potential risk of turning many parts of the country into Asian,African and Slavic enclaves in the long term with all the implications of that in the long term shown by history in places like the former Yugoslavia.

As for the Nazis had Hitler been a Nationalist not a Socialist the obvious solution was the one which the international community and the Jews themselves eventually settled on.IE there was a difference between re patriation along Nativist lines v extermination along Socialist ones. :unamused:

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With fair distribution I mean fair compared to other countries who take way more than the UK, and just to compare; Spain has more than a million Brits living on their costas, suppose those are not immigrants in your eyes. There’s more than 40000 Brits living in Holland, which is the size of Wales, and, who take in hundreds of thousands of other immigrants too.
And why they want to come here? To get work. If all immigrants would leave the UK tomorrow, the economy would grind to a halt and it would go bankrupt. Sure, some claim benefits but this loss is dwarfed by the amount of tax evasion that goes on year in year out. If all big business would pay their due, and pay back tax evaded over the last, let’s say, five years we could keep the NHS public and improve it, and completely transform this country.
Foreign aid is nothing compared to the wealth we get out of those countries in oil and other profits. Just look at it; we’re is all the money and wealth going? It’s being hoarded by people who own the big companies, they don’t invest in infrastructure or schools or public services because that doesn’t generate profit, they rather hoard it and squeeze the last bits out of us.
They keep wages down, take union rights away, take human rights away.
CaMORON yes, on purpose. He and his rich pals work for big business. But not just him, all European governments, exept maybe Greece and Spain, are working for big business interests. The best way to keep making profit is by devide and rule, which is clearly working reading your opinion.
Maybe you laugh at my Socialist ideas, you do that. At least I’m not afraid to stick my neck out and stand up for fellow human beings who can’t defend themselves. I wonder where you’d go, if you had to leave your country, family your home because you’d die if you’d stay.

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tommy t:

Carryfast:

Bach home:
The thing to remember about what happened in Germany, is that the party in power was called…

The national SOCIALIST German workers party.

^ This.

IE no respect of national borders or the idea of each to their own ( nativism ) and a social engineering agenda in one form or another. :bulb:

That’s what happens when they are forced up on us, these do gooders who claim that letting them stay here is a good thing, but they are not paying for them , not only this some who are already here don’t want to integrate don’t want to live our ways of life,observe our laws ect they seek to change our culture there are parts of this country that look like another country , If we went to their countries of origin and started to build churches or dress as we dress in this country it wouldn’t be tolerated, And some of these now British citizens have gone and joined terrorist groups to fight against our forces , they should be stripped of that citizenship immediately and banned from retuning to England , or found and quietly shot

So, how do you think Spain feels about the million British immigrants. They’ve completely changed whole towns into English speaking colonies.

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Yoni:

tommy t:

Carryfast:

Bach home:
The thing to remember about what happened in Germany, is that the party in power was called…

The national SOCIALIST German workers party.

^ This.

IE no respect of national borders or the idea of each to their own ( nativism ) and a social engineering agenda in one form or another. :bulb:

That’s what happens when they are forced up on us, these do gooders who claim that letting them stay here is a good thing, but they are not paying for them , not only this some who are already here don’t want to integrate don’t want to live our ways of life,observe our laws ect they seek to change our culture there are parts of this country that look like another country , If we went to their countries of origin and started to build churches or dress as we dress in this country it wouldn’t be tolerated, And some of these now British citizens have gone and joined terrorist groups to fight against our forces , they should be stripped of that citizenship immediately and banned from retuning to England , or found and quietly shot

So, how do you think Spain feels about the million British immigrants. They’ve completely changed whole towns into English speaking colonies.

I expect they are loving all the disposable income and pensions that brings into the economy…

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Yoni:
So, how do you think Spain feels about the million British immigrants. They’ve completely changed whole towns into English speaking colonies.

Do the British immigrants sneak in on back of lorries to get to spain?
I think personally France are to blame as much as the immigrants jumping on lorries, How ever i feel sorry for the poor drivers who get the fines for others behaviour. why not fine France for each one found in lorries for actually failing to contain them or move them away from ports, just watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_edkvsdzZt0 seeing how bad it is has made my mind up id never wanna head over to calais.

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Yoni:
With fair distribution I mean fair compared to other countries who take way more than the UK, and just to compare; Spain has more than a million Brits living on their costas, suppose those are not immigrants in your eyes. There’s more than 40000 Brits living in Holland, which is the size of Wales, and, who take in hundreds of thousands of other immigrants too.
And why they want to come here? To get work. If all immigrants would leave the UK tomorrow, the economy would grind to a halt and it would go bankrupt. Sure, some claim benefits but this loss is dwarfed by the amount of tax evasion that goes on year in year out. If all big business would pay their due, and pay back tax evaded over the last, let’s say, five years we could keep the NHS public and improve it, and completely transform this country.
Foreign aid is nothing compared to the wealth we get out of those countries in oil and other profits. Just look at it; we’re is all the money and wealth going? It’s being hoarded by people who own the big companies, they don’t invest in infrastructure or schools or public services because that doesn’t generate profit, they rather hoard it and squeeze the last bits out of us.
They keep wages down, take union rights away, take human rights away.
CaMORON yes, on purpose. He and his rich pals work for big business. But not just him, all European governments, exept maybe Greece and Spain, are working for big business interests. The best way to keep making profit is by devide and rule, which is clearly working reading your opinion.
Maybe you laugh at my Socialist ideas, you do that. At least I’m not afraid to stick my neck out and stand up for fellow human beings who can’t defend themselves. I wonder where you’d go, if you had to leave your country, family your home because you’d die if you’d stay.

I don’t think laughing at your obviously Socialist ideology is exactly the answer any more.It’s more like a case of zb off we’ve heard and seen enough over history to know that you and those like you are dangerously deluded individuals just like Hitler,Stalin or Tito amongst others.The fact is the world is naturally split into different ethnic regions and national borders for a reason.On that note better friends with fences in the form of nativism and the nation state.Than potential enemies slaughtered on the bs ideology and social engineering policies of the zb Socialists.

On that note there is no guarantee that our open door immigration policy won’t eventually lead to the type of situation which you’ve described.Of alien,hostile,infiltrating populations,whose societies are often just a reflection of their own ideologies and backward cultures,invading our own borders with obvious implications. :unamused:

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The Brits in Spain ect., are they taking the pi$$ and bleeding the host nation dry ?

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Hitler, Stalin and Tito were not Socialists. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Please enlighten me how having an economy under democratic workers control is dangerous, or, more dangerous than the nutters ‘leading’ the country at the moment.

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Stanley Mitchell:
The Brits in Spain ect., are they taking the pi$$ and bleeding the host nation dry ?

Well, yes. Spain doesn’t exactly have a growing, healthy economy. A million British immigrants aren’t exactly helping the situation, are they.

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Yoni:
Hitler, Stalin and Tito were not Socialists. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Please enlighten me how having an economy under democratic workers control is dangerous, or, more dangerous than the nutters ‘leading’ the country at the moment.

Because the world has psychopaths! And no matter how hard you try, they will screw up and abuse any system. Sadly human nature… :frowning:

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Evil8Beezle:

Yoni:

tommy t:

Carryfast:

Bach home:
The thing to remember about what happened in Germany, is that the party in power was called…

The national SOCIALIST German workers party.

^ This.

IE no respect of national borders or the idea of each to their own ( nativism ) and a social engineering agenda in one form or another. :bulb:

That’s what happens when they are forced up on us, these do gooders who claim that letting them stay here is a good thing, but they are not paying for them , not only this some who are already here don’t want to integrate don’t want to live our ways of life,observe our laws ect they seek to change our culture there are parts of this country that look like another country , If we went to their countries of origin and started to build churches or dress as we dress in this country it wouldn’t be tolerated, And some of these now British citizens have gone and joined terrorist groups to fight against our forces , they should be stripped of that citizenship immediately and banned from retuning to England , or found and quietly shot

So, how do you think Spain feels about the million British immigrants. They’ve completely changed whole towns into English speaking colonies.

I expect they are loving all the disposable income and pensions that brings into the economy…

Oh yes, and the strain on the healthcare system, which btw is much better than the NHS. Let alone the frustration of nobody willing to intergrate and speak proper Spanish. Yeah, they’re well happy! (sarcasm)

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The Brits that go to Spain take a large retirement pot with them, some even open cafes etc.

As has been said, all these migrants could be stopping at the first country they get to, not just heading for England.

And for all the do good, we should feed the world types. I think there should be a box you can tick every election that says “I am happy to pay an extra x% in tax and NI to pay for the well being illegal immigrants”

Be interesting to see how many people would actually tick that box.

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Yoni:

Stanley Mitchell:
The Brits in Spain ect., are they taking the pi$$ and bleeding the host nation dry ?

Well, yes. Spain doesn’t exactly have a growing, healthy economy. A million British immigrants aren’t exactly helping the situation, are they.

I thought they went there to retire, take up skilled jobs, or holiday jobs.

I had no idea that there is a million British immigrants, bumming around the streets of Spain begging for change, and doing cash-in-hand work. :open_mouth:

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Evil8Beezle:

Yoni:
Hitler, Stalin and Tito were not Socialists. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Please enlighten me how having an economy under democratic workers control is dangerous, or, more dangerous than the nutters ‘leading’ the country at the moment.

Because the world has psychopaths! And no matter how hard you try, they will screw up and abuse any system. Sadly human nature… :frowning:

Are you talking about CaMORON, and his friends, the elite, the establishment, the rich in the UK, cause that would be about right.

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Yoni:
Hitler, Stalin and Tito were not Socialists. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Please enlighten me how having an economy under democratic workers control is dangerous, or, more dangerous than the nutters ‘leading’ the country at the moment.

Hitler Tito or Stalin weren’t Socialists.Says it all really.So enlighten me as to how the word Socialist could have possibly formed part of the title of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics USSR/CCCP/,Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia,or the National Socialist German Workers Party. :unamused:

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Yoni:
Are you talking about CaMORON, and his friends, the elite, the establishment, the rich in the UK, cause that would be about right.

You can name just about anyone that lusts for power as a potential psychopath, as it’s one of the traits! So yes, but not exclusively Mr Posh boy, and his school friends.

History has shown us time and time again, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So I’d love to see equality and fairness for all, but it just isn’t possible. And we have to work within limits that can be maintained, as without those limits, we would all be sunk! Just like any ship would, the moment you overload it.

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Hammy747:
And for all the do good, we should feed the world types.

You mean a bunch of lying zb rich pop stars trying to convince us that Africa is all desert where nothing ever grows and it’s the responsibility of the ‘rich prosperous Europeans’ to feed all of Africa and provide them with a place to live here because they can’t do it for themselves.

zamagsafaris.com/news/bush_t … 100005.php

youtube.com/watch?v=cIxj7Ew_99w

bbc.co.uk/news/business-27032642

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Foreign aid by country 2013

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