Am I tired, ■■■■■■■ loosing the will to talk to a brick wall or a combination of all three but like they say on Dragons Den … I’m out!! (jeez that man is hard work, once he sets something in his mind it must be right and a nuclear bomb wouldn’t let him release it and let him see sense)
macplaxton:
switchlogic:
What do ya say Carryfast? I’ll pay ya £12.50 a day and you’ll get an Austin Allegro company car.A 'leggy? You’d be spoiling him Luke with a nice car like that. Give him a Maestro Clubfoot Diesel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMCFeoR9oSg
That you tube clip is hilarious, that guy is ■■■■■■ off to the point of suicide 
loved the ‘Me and the wife physically cried’ bit 
classic.
Even after all these years, it’s still pure gold.
robroy:
That you tube clip is hilarious, that guy is ■■■■■■ off to the point of suicide
loved the ‘Me and the wife physically cried’ bit
The really interesting bit in that is that it shows the last days of trucks running without speed limiters and resulting decent speed differentials when over taking slower traffic. 
Pretty please, can I join in this discussion, I went on a day trip to the Isle of Wight in 1962 (on a paddle steamer!) so am well genned up regarding ferry operations? 
Pete.
windrush:
Pretty please, can I join in this discussion, I went on a day trip to the Isle of Wight in 1962 (on a paddle steamer!) so am well genned up regarding ferry operations?Pete.
No the minimum requirement for qualifying as a novice Euro trucker is doing a crossing on the Woolwich ferry, but only if you have done it both ways. 
windrush:
Pretty please, can I join in this discussion, I went on a day trip to the Isle of Wight in 1962 (on a paddle steamer!) so am well genned up regarding ferry operations?Pete.
That won’t work bearing in mind that numerous North Sea routes to/from Scandinavia and Holland/Belgium,most of the Eastern and Western Channel routes,UK to from Spain,Mediterranean routes from/to Genoa to Sicily and Sardinia,Adriatic Italy to/from Yugo.On ships designs varying from the earliest types of RoRo like the early Free Enterprise series ( since found out that 111 was actually another one to add to the wrecked not broken list 
),to rear load only with all required links and ramps contained self sufficiently by the ship itself as shown in the video.While last but not least an interesting Westbound Transatlantic crossing on which a Belgian car and caravan outfit was embarked from Cherbourg for NY,the caravan having to be craned into the hold by the ship’s crane gear because it wouldn’t fit through the garage hatch/doorway.Isn’t considered good enough by switchlogic. 
The ironic bit being that even those earliest types contained an admittedly ( very ) primitive version of multi car deck loading from a single link dock using internal ramps. 
As for the American crossing picture the scene if the Belgian went to get information as to why such a fast and luxurious ‘ferry’ seemed to be so late for arrival in Portsmouth.
robroy:
windrush:
Pretty please, can I join in this discussion, I went on a day trip to the Isle of Wight in 1962 (on a paddle steamer!) so am well genned up regarding ferry operations?Pete.
No the minimum requirement for qualifying as a novice Euro trucker is doing a crossing on the Woolwich ferry, but only if you have done it both ways.
Oh never mind then, can’t say in all honesty that I have ever been on the Woolwich Ferry. 
Still, my question got Carryfast another post to add to his count so not ALL bad eh?
Pete.
And for that Sir should rightly put you on pre mod 
robroy:
windrush:
Pretty please, can I join in this discussion, I went on a day trip to the Isle of Wight in 1962 (on a paddle steamer!) so am well genned up regarding ferry operations?Pete.
No the minimum requirement for qualifying as a novice Euro trucker is doing a crossing on the Woolwich ferry, but only if you have done it both ways.
I even went as a foot passenger on the old side loading ones, and did you know the first cross channel ferry was a converted collier ?
raymundo:
robroy:
windrush:
Pretty please, can I join in this discussion, I went on a day trip to the Isle of Wight in 1962 (on a paddle steamer!) so am well genned up regarding ferry operations?Pete.
No the minimum requirement for qualifying as a novice Euro trucker is doing a crossing on the Woolwich ferry, but only if you have done it both ways.
I even went as a foot passenger on the old side loading ones, and did you know the first cross channel ferry was a converted collier ?
The start of Townsend ferries. No photos of the Artificer seem to be around though.Only the Forde seems to be the earliest posted.
Blimey, he’s still going! Still lecturing a man who’s spent a lifetime in shipping on the ferry industry, pure comedy gold!
Oh and 10 Carryfast Piffle Points for getting favourite phrase ‘speed differentials’ in. We’ll be onto the Confederacy, segregation and 6x4s before we know it! ONWARD>>>
Carryfast:
windrush:
Pretty please, can I join in this discussion, I went on a day trip to the Isle of Wight in 1962 (on a paddle steamer!) so am well genned up regarding ferry operations?Pete.
That won’t work bearing in mind that numerous North Sea routes to/from Scandinavia and Holland/Belgium,most of the Eastern and Western Channel routes,UK to from Spain,Mediterranean routes from/to Genoa to Sicily and Sardinia,Adriatic Italy to/from Yugo.On ships designs varying from the earliest types of RoRo like the early Free Enterprise series ( since found out that 111 was actually another one to add to the wrecked not broken list
The ironic bit being that even those earliest types contained an admittedly ( very ) primitive version of multi car deck loading from a single link dock using internal ramps.
As for the American crossing picture the scene if the Belgian went to get information as to why such a fast and luxurious ‘ferry’ seemed to be so late for arrival in Portsmouth.
No it isn’t good enough. So you’ve been on a handful of ferries over the years and you think this makes you more knowledgeable than many a naval architect and many a ferry company. I crossed the sea on ferries hundreds and hundreds of times and I wouldn’t even start to deem myself more knowledgeable than the likes of Raymondo let alone naval architects and ferry companies. You really are comical.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
windrush:
Pretty please, can I join in this discussion, I went on a day trip to the Isle of Wight in 1962 (on a paddle steamer!) so am well genned up regarding ferry operations?Pete.
That won’t work bearing in mind that numerous North Sea routes to/from Scandinavia and Holland/Belgium,most of the Eastern and Western Channel routes,UK to from Spain,Mediterranean routes from/to Genoa to Sicily and Sardinia,Adriatic Italy to/from Yugo.On ships designs varying from the earliest types of RoRo like the early Free Enterprise series ( since found out that 111 was actually another one to add to the wrecked not broken list
The ironic bit being that even those earliest types contained an admittedly ( very ) primitive version of multi car deck loading from a single link dock using internal ramps.
As for the American crossing picture the scene if the Belgian went to get information as to why such a fast and luxurious ‘ferry’ seemed to be so late for arrival in Portsmouth.
No it isn’t good enough. So you’ve been on a handful of ferries over the years and you think this makes you more knowledgeable than many a naval architect and many a ferry company. I crossed the sea on ferries hundreds and hundreds of times and I wouldn’t even start to deem myself more knowledgeable than the likes of Raymondo let alone naval architects and ferry companies. You really are comical.
To be fair all that amounts to a bit more than a ‘handful’ of numerous different ship types and crossings.While I never suggested that any of that qualifies me as a naval architect or in any way the likes of Raymundo.
‘But’ it does qualify me as a customer.When any ferry operator says that my travel plans are potentially disrupted in a big way because of any problems,or potential problems,at Calais.Owing to over dependence on that route to the exclusion of the alternatives.Or under capacity caused by EU legislation making alternative routes unviable. 
Wowsers, note it in your diary peeps, Carryfast backtracking, a rare day indeed
Carryfast:
When any ferry operator says that my travel plans are potentially disrupted in a big way because of any problems,or potential problems,at Calais.Owing to over dependence on that route to the exclusion of the alternatives.Or under capacity caused by EU legislation making alternative routes unviable.
So tell me, as a highly experienced tourist ferry user, how many times has that happened? After all I’ve spent many years doing a huge amount of European work and been stuck in Operation Stack twice. I’ve probably spent much more time held up crossing the Irish Sea than I have Dover Calais, despite using Dover Calais a fair bit more. So I’m assuming, considering your comments, you’ve been unlucky and have suffered some awful delays at the hands of Dover Calais ferry operators…
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
When any ferry operator says that my travel plans are potentially disrupted in a big way because of any problems,or potential problems,at Calais.Owing to over dependence on that route to the exclusion of the alternatives.Or under capacity caused by EU legislation making alternative routes unviable.So tell me, as a highly experienced tourist ferry user, how many times has that happened? After all I’ve spent many years doing a huge amount of European work and been stuck in Operation Stack twice. I’ve probably spent much more time held up crossing the Irish Sea than I have Dover Calais, despite using Dover Calais a fair bit more. So I’m assuming, considering your comments, you’ve been unlucky and have suffered some awful delays at the hands of Dover Calais ferry operators…
By ‘travel plans being potentially disrupted’ I didn’t mean the historic number of times it’s happened.As I said the situation,in which disruption at Calais,now inevitably has a disproportionate, foreseable,knock on effect,because of under capacity on,or removal of,the alternative routes, and/or the inability to re route Calais services,is enough.
I think CF you are tending to exaggerate on the number of ‘disruptions’ on the Dover Calais route. OK granted there have been a few more of late due to various reasons but nothing is ever said on the many many days consecutively that service is ‘as normal’. As far as I can see the present delays and cancellations are not down to the ferry operators but outwith their control with disgruntled people causing mayhem rightly or wrongly, but that is not the point. I may be wrong (as usual) on that bit, but what oh learned one would be your solution ? and btw my user name is ‘raymundo’ not ‘raymondo’ !! ta in advance
raymundo:
I think CF you are tending to exaggerate on the number of ‘disruptions’ on the Dover Calais route. OK granted there have been a few more of late due to various reasons but nothing is ever said on the many many days consecutively that service is ‘as normal’. As far as I can see the present delays and cancellations are not down to the ferry operators but outwith their control with disgruntled people causing mayhem rightly or wrongly, but that is not the point. I may be wrong (as usual) on that bit, but what oh learned one would be your solution ? and btw my user name is ‘raymundo’ not ‘raymondo’ !! ta in advance
Realistically the only answer would be for the EU to at least reverse its emissions ruling thereby possibly putting alternatives like the North Sea routes back into more economically viable contention.Together with maybe some ship modifications to provide multi car deck loading capability/flexibilty from single level dock links where that issue is arguably stopping the easy re routing of Calais services.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
When any ferry operator says that my travel plans are potentially disrupted in a big way because of any problems,or potential problems,at Calais.Owing to over dependence on that route to the exclusion of the alternatives.Or under capacity caused by EU legislation making alternative routes unviable.So tell me, as a highly experienced tourist ferry user, how many times has that happened? After all I’ve spent many years doing a huge amount of European work and been stuck in Operation Stack twice. I’ve probably spent much more time held up crossing the Irish Sea than I have Dover Calais, despite using Dover Calais a fair bit more. So I’m assuming, considering your comments, you’ve been unlucky and have suffered some awful delays at the hands of Dover Calais ferry operators…
By ‘travel plans being potentially disrupted’ I didn’t mean the historic number of times it’s happened.As I said the situation,in which disruption at Calais,now inevitably has a disproportionate, foreseable,knock on effect,because of under capacity on,or removal of,the alternative routes, and/or the inability to re route Calais services,is enough.
Ah, so living in Carryfast fantasy land again then. For someone who’s clearly never shipped Dover Calais you sure do have a lot of opinions about it