No space available on hook of holland to harwich or killingholme nor p&o out of zeebrugge till at least sunday
Monday for Dieppe!
This came through from P&O - obvious where they are laying the blame.
Helen Deeble, Chief Executive of P&O Ferries, said: "Through no fault of their own, our passengers are caught in the middle of an industrial relations battle that has been caused by Eurotunnel, who sold their ships to a rival ferry company without securing the jobs of the workers involved. This has left thousands of holidaymakers and lorry drivers stranded without adequate facilities - even though our employees at the port have done their level best to keep them supplied with food and water.
Let me be clear: the buck stops with the French Government. They have shown that they can move swiftly to stop any disruption at the tunnel. But they have effectively abandoned any attempt to maintain security at the port of Calais, which makes a nonsense of European co-operation.
And when is the British Government going to stand up to ensure that we can all get to mainland Europe safely and securely? Every day that the disruption lasts costs UK Plc millions of pounds. P&O Ferries alone employs thousands of people on both sides of the Channel and this damaging and dangerous industrial action is now putting those jobs at risk."
Carryfast:
albion:
They are…as are P&O out of Zeebrugge and Rotterdam and all of Stena out of Hook and Rotterdam, couldn’t get on any of them. All of Brittany are waitlisted.Cuxhaven anyone
Something seems strange with the way in which the Channel ferry links all now seem to be on a knife edge regards capacity with no flexibility whatsoever in terms of margins.
Maybe its because too many of the alternative North Sea routes have been closed and too much dependence has been put on the Channel especially Dover Calais.Which seems to be the result of bs eco restrictions on ships fuel and therefore excessive costs to run the longer services.
Exactly how the ferry companies want it I assume. Full ferries all the time. Empty space doesn’t pay the bills.
**. Breaking news
They’re about to reopen Calais
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
albion:
They are…as are P&O out of Zeebrugge and Rotterdam and all of Stena out of Hook and Rotterdam, couldn’t get on any of them. All of Brittany are waitlisted.Cuxhaven anyone
Something seems strange with the way in which the Channel ferry links all now seem to be on a knife edge regards capacity with no flexibility whatsoever in terms of margins.
Exactly how the ferry companies want it I assume. Full ferries all the time. Empty space doesn’t pay the bills.
More like they went for the option of less but larger ships.With all being overdependent on Calais with less route options.When it’s obvious that when anything goes wrong it foreseeably all ends up in massive backlogs.Especially when it seems equally obvious that many customers ( rightly ) prefer to use the ferries than the tunnel.Although having said that the bs fuel regime hasn’t helped the longer crossings.Therefore less jobs in the industry.Which at the end of the day is what most of the disputes are about.
Compare that to when Dover provided services to Zeebrugge,Ostende,and Boulogne in addition to Calais with enough work there for both Sealink and Townsend/Thoresen.In addition to which was all the other North Sea routes to Germany and Scandinavia.
While the modern day university educated morons call that ‘progress’. 
One of my lads was parked up 5 miles off the Tunnel for 8 hours yesterday on the road. About 19.30 they started moving them to the Tunnel and he has shunted forwards all night, literally all night and finally got on the train at 08.30 this morning. He’s sounding more cheerful than I would at that point!
Lost two padlocks and a damaged handle to our friendly migrants.
Assuming you are on cash accounting for VAT, invoice your out of pocket expenses to one D. Cameron, 10 Downing Street, Westminster. 
Working on days lost, loads missed, that’s be a big bill! 
cav551:
Assuming you are on cash accounting for VAT, invoice your out of pocket expenses to one D. Cameron, 10 Downing Street, Westminster.
I’d do it, and hope many others actually do.
albion:
One of my lads was parked up 5 miles off the Tunnel for 8 hours yesterday on the road. About 19.30 they started moving them to the Tunnel and he has shunted forwards all night, literally all night and finally got on the train at 08.30 this morning. He’s sounding more cheerful than I would at that point!Lost two padlocks and a damaged handle to our friendly migrants.
and he was shipping out 
Nice bit of PR for Tesco!
rob22888:
Nice bit of PR for Tesco!
I am not sure if they are doing it for “Free” but it certainly is a great gesture to keep the drivers that are stuck in stack hydrated. Not sure if they allow Ice Cream Vans/Snack Van’s through stack, but again, it would be a great idea and certainly welcomed by most.
trubster:
Not sure if they allow Ice Cream Vans/Snack Van’s through stack, but again, it would be a great idea and certainly welcomed by most.
If was an ice cream man in Kent, i’d have been down there in a shot asking the police for permission to get on the carriageway. Don’t think it’d be an unreasonable request & you’d clean up!
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
albion:
They are…as are P&O out of Zeebrugge and Rotterdam and all of Stena out of Hook and Rotterdam, couldn’t get on any of them. All of Brittany are waitlisted.Cuxhaven anyone
Something seems strange with the way in which the Channel ferry links all now seem to be on a knife edge regards capacity with no flexibility whatsoever in terms of margins.
Exactly how the ferry companies want it I assume. Full ferries all the time. Empty space doesn’t pay the bills.
More like they went for the option of less but larger ships.With all being overdependent on Calais with less route options.When it’s obvious that when anything goes wrong it foreseeably all ends up in massive backlogs.Especially when it seems equally obvious that many customers ( rightly ) prefer to use the ferries than the tunnel.Although having said that the bs fuel regime hasn’t helped the longer crossings.Therefore less jobs in the industry.Which at the end of the day is what most of the disputes are about.
Compare that to when Dover provided services to Zeebrugge,Ostende,and Boulogne in addition to Calais with enough work there for both Sealink and Townsend/Thoresen.In addition to which was all the other North Sea routes to Germany and Scandinavia.
While the modern day university educated morons call that ‘progress’.
You could have just said ‘I agree’ 
The services that are now history are history because they weren’t viable. Simple. They are commercial entities, not charities. Even Transeuropa couldn’t make Ramsgate - Oostend viable with 30/40 year old boats. It wasn’t environmental legislation that buried them, it was a lack of money.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
More like they went for the option of less but larger ships.With all being overdependent on Calais with less route options.When it’s obvious that when anything goes wrong it foreseeably all ends up in massive backlogs.Especially when it seems equally obvious that many customers ( rightly ) prefer to use the ferries than the tunnel.Although having said that the bs fuel regime hasn’t helped the longer crossings.Therefore less jobs in the industry.Which at the end of the day is what most of the disputes are about.Compare that to when Dover provided services to Zeebrugge,Ostende,and Boulogne in addition to Calais with enough work there for both Sealink and Townsend/Thoresen.In addition to which was all the other North Sea routes to Germany and Scandinavia.
While the modern day university educated morons call that ‘progress’.
You could have just said ‘I agree’
The services that are now history are history because they weren’t viable. Simple. They are commercial entities, not charities. Even Transeuropa couldn’t make Ramsgate - Oostend viable with 30/40 year old boats. It wasn’t environmental legislation that buried them, it was a lack of money.
Going by the amount of traffic parked up in ‘operation stack’ and general disruption to everyone every time there is a problem with Calais for whatever reason it doesn’t seem like it is any large scale lack of customers which is causing the ‘viability’ issues.It is in large part obviously about the fuel cost and bs eco ■■■■ regime.
Let alone then adding to the problem in the form of French and Belgian etc jobs for cheap labour East European workers and causing havoc to the now obviously already over loaded capacity of Calais in the form of putting it under seige by those trying to take advantage of our open door immigration policy.
ferrymasters.com/low-sulphur-flyer.pdf
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
More like they went for the option of less but larger ships.With all being overdependent on Calais with less route options.When it’s obvious that when anything goes wrong it foreseeably all ends up in massive backlogs.Especially when it seems equally obvious that many customers ( rightly ) prefer to use the ferries than the tunnel.Although having said that the bs fuel regime hasn’t helped the longer crossings.Therefore less jobs in the industry.Which at the end of the day is what most of the disputes are about.Compare that to when Dover provided services to Zeebrugge,Ostende,and Boulogne in addition to Calais with enough work there for both Sealink and Townsend/Thoresen.In addition to which was all the other North Sea routes to Germany and Scandinavia.
While the modern day university educated morons call that ‘progress’.
You could have just said ‘I agree’
The services that are now history are history because they weren’t viable. Simple. They are commercial entities, not charities. Even Transeuropa couldn’t make Ramsgate - Oostend viable with 30/40 year old boats. It wasn’t environmental legislation that buried them, it was a lack of money.
Going by the amount of traffic parked up in ‘operation stack’ and general disruption to everyone every time there is a problem with Calais for whatever reason it doesn’t seem like it is any large scale lack of customers which is causing the ‘viability’ issues.It is in large part obviously about the fuel cost and bs eco ■■■■ regime.
Let alone then adding to the problem in the form of French and Belgian etc jobs for cheap labour East European workers and causing havoc to the now obviously already over loaded capacity of Calais in the form of putting it under seige by those trying to take advantage of our open door immigration policy.
ferrymasters.com/low-sulphur-flyer.pdf
As I say, Transeuropa went bust because they ran out of money, not because of environmental rules that hadn’t come in at the time. Hauliers simply like Dover Calais because when it’s working well, so 95% of the time, it’s far and away the fastest and cheapest sea crossing. I know my experience of international haulage and the ferry industry is nothing compared to yours but I have learned the odd thing over the years
switchlogic:
As I say, Transeuropa went bust because they ran out of money, not because of environmental rules that hadn’t come in at the time. Hauliers simply like Dover Calais because when it’s working well, so 95% of the time, it’s far and away the fastest and cheapest sea crossing. I know my experience of international haulage and the ferry industry is nothing compared to yours but I have learned the odd thing over the years
According to the reports ‘high fuel prices’ on the longer the Ostende route ‘put a strain’ on the operation for sure’.
While the Ferrymasters info and the Esbjerg route closure report both stated that the 2015 eco rules changes were ‘the deciding factor’ in the case of the latter and would foreseeably cause the type of under capacity issues that we’re seeing now in the case of the former.
IMO opinion Transeuropa went bust because they were try to keep old rustbuckets going well past their sell by date and amongst other things could not keep up with the then legislation regarding emissions etc, but there again what do I know about ships? P&O don’t get did of owt if it has an ounce of profitable life left in it.
I reckon they should just close it for a week or 3 
raymundo:
IMO opinion Transeuropa went bust because they were try to keep old rustbuckets going well past their sell by date and amongst other things could not keep up with the then legislation regarding emissions etc, but there again what do I know about ships? P&O don’t get did of owt if it has an ounce of profitable life left in it.
It’s not an issue of how new the ships are it’s all about the costs of fuelling them and all the other emissions bs.The result being higher fuel costs because the ‘clean’ diesel is a lot more expensive than the usual stuff and just like trucks more expense to fit and maintain all the exhaust scrubbing kit.All of which reduces viability over longer distances.
As for new ships,just like the modern cruise ‘barges’ v a proper sea going liner, the older designs were arguably better for running in all weathers over longer routes.Bearing in mind that is a solid bow with the Ro Ro front doors in the sides which would have saved the Estonia if it had been designed the same way.
ferry-site.dk/picture/ferry/7361312g.jpg
Than something with a front end like this which is nothing more than a large Isle of Wight type effort which can’t go anywhere but Calais and even then with the usual ‘cancellations’ and yet more ‘operation stack’ when the wind blows. .
