can anyone find a link to the bit in the 1986 construction and use regs that says you can pull a combination of trailers to a total length of 25.9 metres?
i can find the bit about artics, wagons in drag, and bender buses, but not these double jointed super lorries.
limeyphil:
can anyone find a link to the bit in the 1986 construction and use regs that says you can pull a combination of trailers to a total length of 25.9 metres?
i can find the bit about artics, wagons in drag, and bender buses, but not these double jointed super lorries.
If it was ever there the commie government would have had it erased from the records just to make sure that no one ever tried to use one. 
ROG:
IS IT THIS ?
nope.
nothing in there to suggest any legality of denby’s super jugernaut, killer, 2500 ton, widow maker.
There isn’t one.
For the last 23 years, we have all been under the impression that we can only tow one trailer with a tractor unit, but that is because we are all thick. Not just us, but the Police and VOSA as well.
Like David Icke, I suspect that ■■■■ Denby feels his better days are behind him and he is starting to develop some strange ideas.
5. The normal overall length restrictions on trailers and combinations of vehicles which include a trailer imposed by regulation 7 are subject to exceptions. A new provision is inserted into regulation 7 which makes it illegal for a trailer with an overall length exceeding 18.65 metres to be used on a road unless the police have been notified in the prescribed manner and an attendant is employed.
Have I read this wrong then ?
limeyphil:
ROG:
IS IT THIS ?nope.
nothing in there to suggest any legality of denby’s super jugernaut, killer, 2500 ton, widow maker.
I think it has something to do with a piece of regulation which allow longer vehicles, so recovery vehicles can pull a unit and trailer, but the law never stated it had to be for recovery, it comes to the laws interpretation of the wording of the current legislation.
However, Denby Transport believes the interpretation of the term “towing implement”’ set out in the current regulations, allows for the use of an extra trailer.
http://www.roadtransport.com/Articles/2009/12/01/135125/vosa-forces-denby-to-abandon-lhv-trial.html
Harry Monk:
For the last 23 years, we have all been under the impression that we can only tow one trailer with a tractor unit,.
I canot find, as yet, any law which says only one trailer can be pulled - only the bit about overall length of it if I’ve read it right…
ROG:
5. The normal overall length restrictions on trailers and combinations of vehicles which include a trailer imposed by regulation 7 are subject to exceptions. A new provision is inserted into regulation 7 which makes it illegal for a trailer with an overall length exceeding 18.65 metres to be used on a road unless the police have been notified in the prescribed manner and an attendant is employed.
Have I read this wrong then ?
no mate. it quite clearly says 18.65 metres. however when you pass through the laylines of lincoln, things become really strange, ones become two’s. eights become fives. sixes become nines. and fives become zero’s.
simple really. but to understand this, you have to dress like the man from del monty.
ROG:
Harry Monk:
For the last 23 years, we have all been under the impression that we can only tow one trailer with a tractor unit,.I canot find, as yet, any law which says only one trailer can be pulled - only the bit about overall length of it if I’ve read it right…
I do know that artic drivers have been prosecuted for towing other, stricken, artics and even cars, under the “no more than one trailer” law.
Here a clearer explaination of the loopholw he says he’s using.
Mr Denby claims his superlorry is permitted under the 1986 Road Vehicles Regulations, which state that “certain vehicles” may be permitted to draw more than one trailer and can be up to 25.9m (85ft) in length.
This section was apparently intended for the recovery of broken down trucks but the regulations do not mention that.
muckles:
limeyphil:
ROG:
IS IT THIS ?nope.
nothing in there to suggest any legality of denby’s super jugernaut, killer, 2500 ton, widow maker.I think it has something to do with a piece of regulation which allow longer vehicles, so recovery vehicles can pull a unit and trailer, but the law never stated it had to be for recovery, it comes to the laws interpretation of the wording of the current legislation.
However, Denby Transport believes the interpretation of the term “towing implement”’ set out in the current regulations, allows for the use of an extra trailer.
http://www.roadtransport.com/Articles/2009/12/01/135125/vosa-forces-denby-to-abandon-lhv-trial.html
So would a dolly fit the description of a ‘towing implement’ so then I can put that 45 ft semi on the back of that eight wheeler rigid?. If denby has built a ‘super juggernaut killer’ what would that be and if that’s the case the whole population of Australia would have been wiped out by now including the roos:lol:
I believe the regulation Richard is trying to twist is the recovery option where an A frame and a prime mover become one.
I found this but haven’t worked out which bit he is twisting, but it shows you can find anything on t’interbrain.
"If an A frame is attached to a vehicle and towed, we believe the A frame and car become a single unit and as such are classified in legislation as a trailer.
The use of “dollies” is intended for the recovery of broken down vehicles, not for the transportation of a vehicle from “A” to “B”. Under Regulation 83 of C&U a motor car is permitted to tow two trailers when one of them is a towing implement and the other is secured to and either rests on or is suspended from the implement. Therefore as a trailer if the maximum laden weight of the dolly exceeds 750 kg it must be fitted with operational brakes, additionally the brakes on the wheels of the second trailer (the towed car) must work and meet the specified requirements. Again this would be very difficult for the rear brakes of a motor car, on their own, to meet the 50% braking efficiency required for a trailer. The dolly would also be required by Regulation 22 of C&U to be fitted with suspension. Regulations 19 and 22 in C&U permit a broken down vehicle to be recovered without complying with these requirements. However, there is further legislation under the Road Traffic Act that introduces a limitation on the maximum speed that the combination can be driven; this is 40mph on motorways and 20mph on other roads."
Wheel Nut:
I believe the regulation Richard is trying to twist is the recovery option where an A frame and a prime mover become one.I found this but haven’t worked out which bit he is twisting, but it shows you can find anything on t’interbrain.
"If an A frame is attached to a vehicle and towed, we believe the A frame and car become a single unit and as such are classified in legislation as a trailer.
The use of “dollies” is intended for the recovery of broken down vehicles, not for the transportation of a vehicle from “A” to “B”. Under Regulation 83 of C&U a motor car is permitted to tow two trailers when one of them is a towing implement and the other is secured to and either rests on or is suspended from the implement. Therefore as a trailer if the maximum laden weight of the dolly exceeds 750 kg it must be fitted with operational brakes, additionally the brakes on the wheels of the second trailer (the towed car) must work and meet the specified requirements. Again this would be very difficult for the rear brakes of a motor car, on their own, to meet the 50% braking efficiency required for a trailer. The dolly would also be required by Regulation 22 of C&U to be fitted with suspension. Regulations 19 and 22 in C&U permit a broken down vehicle to be recovered without complying with these requirements. However, there is further legislation under the Road Traffic Act that introduces a limitation on the maximum speed that the combination can be driven; this is 40mph on motorways and 20mph on other roads."
So all of those dollies used by the ozzies to couple (proper) roadtrains up would mean that their roadtrains can’t be driven at more than 20 mph?.It’s just as well that they threw the British government out.
This is interesting :-
Parking in darkness
10. Regulation 101(1) made it an offence for a person, other than with the permission of a police officer, to cause or permit any motor vehicle to stand on a road at any time between half an hour after sunset and half an hour
Does that mean when you get somewhere with a delivery and they say sorry drive youll have to wait until the morning, that they have to tell the Police they have caused you to park on the road in the dark?.
I think the regulations here are quite clear.
dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicle … ailers.pdf
I cant see Mr Denby giving up that easily.
are farmers exempt from these sort of regs 
as what i saw yesterday took me by suprise i would of overtaken him had he not turned right, his combo was
tractor+tipper trailer then a JCB being towed on the back of the trailer 
never seen that before, is that legal 
Tobyjug:
I think the regulations here are quite clear.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicle … ailers.pdf
I cant see Mr Denby giving up that easily.
“The views expressed in this Information Sheet are based on the Department’s current understanding of what the law means and are not definitive. If you are in any doubt about your legal obligations, you should take independent legal advice as this Information Sheet is not a substitute for such independent legal advice”
“These regulations are not available on the internet and have been amended many times which makes it difficult to piece together the latest form of the regulations”
So the whole thing is (as we all know) a complete mish mash of statutes, regulations and ammendments which leaves it wide open for the lawyers.
Tobyjug:
I think the regulations here are quite clear.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicle … ailers.pdf
I cant see Mr Denby giving up that easily.
the following is a quote from the above link. so denby’s conbination dosn’t appear to be legal. but he is right about the 25.9 metre overall length.
Where a motor vehicle is drawing two trailers, only one of the trailers may exceed an overall length of 7m. Where 3 trailers are being drawn, none of those trailers may exceed an overall length of 7m.
Tobyjug:
I think the regulations here are quite clear.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicle … ailers.pdf
I cant see Mr Denby giving up that easily.
I reckon that ‘could’ read that the Denby outfit and a 25.9 metre drawbar outfit using a dolly and a semi trailer ‘might’ be legal IF I was the judge.But the government would say that I’m biased and then they’d appeal against my ruling.