hello,
right as far as i’m aware i, as a c+e holder can teach a class c holder to drive a c+e vehicle. now when i was being tought by a professional driving instructor, no tacho’s are needed as it purely training. but if a took a class c holder with me on a normal days work, then obviously a tacho is needed, but if i’m in the passenger seat does that count as driving or other work??
stevie
Like any license, you’ve got to have held it for 3 years, so a C license holder thats had it for 3 years can teach someone else C.
Don’t know about the Tacho but the main thing is the vehicle has to be insured for training purposes, which most aren’t. I know most companies have a “anyone in our employ” rule on their insurance, but that isn’t valid if the driver (or driver under instruction as it should be) only has a provisional for that category of vehicle.
Alex
stevieboy308:
hello,right as far as i’m aware i, as a c+e holder can teach a class c holder to drive a c+e vehicle. now when i was being tought by a professional driving instructor, no tacho’s are needed as it purely training. but if a took a class c holder with me on a normal days work, then obviously a tacho is needed, but if i’m in the passenger seat does that count as driving or other work??
stevie
You must have had your full C+E for 3 years
L plates must be fitted front & rear
Insurance must cover a provisional C+E licence holder under instruction
If not driving then it is OTHER WORK
You are deemed as ‘in charge’ of the vehicle but are not resposible for say, the learner speeding, IF you tell them not to.
Only ever yell one word - STOP
Mirrors must be set so that you can see down the body on BOTH sides from the passenger seat - the wide angle mirrors are ok for doing this.
cheers boys,
yep i’ve had my license over 3 years, so no worries there and i’m sure it’d be easy to sort the insurance.
so would i be legal to drive 10 hours and run out of time say half an hour from base, but still have plenty of duty time left. then a class c holder is brought out to me, to effectivly drive me back?
stevie
so would i be legal to drive 10 hours and run out of time say half an hour from base, but still have plenty of duty time left. then a class c holder is brought out to me, to effectivly drive me back?
Doesnt need to be anthing to do with training. Just stick your card in slot 2 and put it on other work.
no you cant do that 
after 10 hours driving you must take a daily rest
not do other work
which is what supervising a learner is 
stevieboy308:
so would i be legal to drive 10 hours and run out of time say half an hour from base, but still have plenty of duty time left. then a class c holder is brought out to me, to effectivly drive me back?
stevie
hitch:
no you cant do that
after 10 hours driving you must take a daily rest
not do other work
which is what supervising a learner is
If you do 9 hours and 59 mins driving - YES - providing -
You must have had your full C+E for 3 years
L plates must be fitted front & rear
Insurance must cover a provisional C+E licence holder under instruction
If not driving then it is OTHER WORK
You are deemed as ‘in charge’ of the vehicle but are not resposible for say, the learner speeding, IF you tell them not to.
Only ever yell one word - STOP
Mirrors must be set so that you can see down the body on BOTH sides from the passenger seat - the wide angle mirrors are ok for doing this.
I thought you were NOT allowed to drive a vehicle as a LEARNER with a load on??
My ADI insurance for teaching states only unladen vehicles
There are plenty of companies (furniture delivery etc) that seem to operate with Learners at the helm, I even had one deliver a bed earlier in the year, I was wondering why he was making such a hash of reversing down the drive then I saw the L plates and his instructor “Debrief” him as the carried the bed in the house.
I think it must be to do with the insurance.
Alex
Scarab:
There are plenty of companies (furniture delivery etc) that seem to operate with Learners at the helm, I even had one deliver a bed earlier in the year, I was wondering why he was making such a hash of reversing down the drive then I saw the L plates and his instructor “Debrief” him as the carried the bed in the house.I think it must be to do with the insurance.
Alex
I know “Big Wheelers” training got prosecuted a few years back for having cones and the like on the load bed. They were classed as a “load” and they got done for it. I’ve also seen these firms training their learners in laden trucks. I’m sure that’s breaking the law!!
EnglishTrucker:
I thought you were NOT allowed to drive a vehicle as a LEARNER with a load on??
It is legal.
Cones on private registered training school trucks are regarded as training tools and not a load which is being transported for hire or reward.
Cones or anything else on a normal working truck would not matter as the truck would be under an operators licence.
hitch:
no you cant do that
after 10 hours driving you must take a daily rest
not do other work
which is what supervising a learner is
Could you post a link or tell us where in the regulations it says that you must have a daily rest period immediately after 10 hours driving.
Think I’ve missed that bit of the regulations 
tachograph:
hitch:
no you cant do that
after 10 hours driving you must take a daily rest
not do other work
which is what supervising a learner isCould you post a link or tell us where in the regulations it says that you must have a daily rest period immediately after 10 hours driving.
Think I’ve missed that bit of the regulations
I was getting confused with the accumilated 4.5 hours driving regs as well 
ROG:
Cones or anything else on a normal working truck would not matter as the truck would be under an operators licence.
Yes, in the case above (the one about training firms in laden trucks) it won’t have been because they were learners as it’s not illegal for a learner to drive a laden truck, it’s to do with not having an operators licence.
Santa:
so would i be legal to drive 10 hours and run out of time say half an hour from base, but still have plenty of duty time left. then a class c holder is brought out to me, to effectivly drive me back?
Doesnt need to be anthing to do with training. Just stick your card in slot 2 and put it on other work.
it does if there arn’t any c+e holders available!!
tachograph:
hitch:
no you cant do that
after 10 hours driving you must take a daily rest
not do other work
which is what supervising a learner isCould you post a link or tell us where in the regulations it says that you must have a daily rest period immediately after 10 hours driving.
Think I’ve missed that bit of the regulations
i missed it too!! there’s me been doing end of day checks, paperwork and filling in the tacho illegally all this time 
so to clarify, i would be perfectly legal to drive 10 hours and then for as long as duty time permited, insurance sorted etc, instruct a class c holder in an artic?
cheers stevie
stevieboy308:
so to clarify, i would be perfectly legal to drive 10 hours and then for as long as duty time permited, insurance sorted etc, instruct a class c holder in an artic?
cheers stevie
YES
But consider this - if the learner ran into difficulty, you must, by law, be available to take over the driving - if you had used up all your legal driving time, how would you do that 
Rog wrote:-
you must, by law, be available to take over the driving
Is that so? - Well I guess you would have to save a bit of time just in case to enable you to drive to a safe place to park.
Smart Mart:
Rog wrote:-
you must, by law, be available to take over the driving
Is that so? - Well I guess you would have to save a bit of time just in case to enable you to drive to a safe place to park.
The remit for allowing a fully licenced car driver (usual rules apply) to supervise a learner is that the full licence holder MUST be able to take over in the driving seat if necessary. - I cannot see that being any different for the truck situation.
This is why some get prosecuted (if caught) if they decide it’s a good idea to get a learner to ferry them around if say, they have a broken arm or leg.
I can only find the following:-
Rules for learner drivers
Before you start to drive, you must:hold a valid, provisional driving licence for Great Britain or Northern Ireland
make sure that any vehicle you drive is roadworthy and properly taxed and insured
It is important to learn safe driving practice from the beginning of your driving career because bad habits are hard to break.It is unlikely that anyone except an approved driving instructor (ADI) would have the experience, knowledge and training to teach you properly. Learning safe driving habits from the start will improve the safety of yourself and other road users.
If you want to practise your driving with an accompanying driver, the accompanying driver must be over the age of 21 and must have held (and still hold) a full licence, in the relevant vehicle category, for three years.
As a learner driver you must display ‘L’ plates (‘L’ or ‘D’ plates in Wales) in a conspicuous position on the front and rear of the vehicle you are driving.
No mention even on a search of
MUST be able to take over in the driving seat if necessary
A sensible thing to be able to do of course, but would love to know the legislation for it?