Should any topics come up in future bemoaning the few grand and couple of weeks to get licence sorted, may this article put it into perspective.
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Poor guy thought he’d seen the back of 52 tops on a downhill…
What a fantastic story. I wish the bloke all the best and hope he gets his new flying job as soon as all of this it over.
Dieseldog will be here soon saying the bloke is a troll etc… and no driver could aspire to be anything more.
I know plenty of intellectual people who drive trucks, it might not be the most attractive or glamorous job out there to some, but job satisfaction and peace of mind counts for a lot more than just going to work for money alone. On a personal level I speak from experience of doing two very different career paths. One pays me a lot of money and the other gives me pleasure. I can balance the two easily and go to either depending upon my present needs. Being a truck driver doesn’t mean your too stupid to do anything else. Some simply choose to be one.
I thought a man of your superior intelligence and intellect would have read the story properly. The man said that he can’t renew his licence and he’ll have to cough up another six grand to get it back. How’s your reversing going now?
peterm:
I thought a man of your superior intelligence and intellect would have read the story properly. The man said that he can’t renew his licence and he’ll have to cough up another six grand to get it back. How’s your reversing going now?
Using my superior intelligence… the chap isn’t able to revalidate his type rating and not his ‘licence’. Wrg to flying the licence is a cpl (the l part gives it away). The type rating is which specific plane he can fly. Many top quality airlines dont charge for that. And given the fabulous publicity and story the chap has I’m sure an airline will snap him up when they are back to normal.
My reversing is pretty good. If you are looking for some hints and tips then post in the learner part of the forum and I’m sure folks will be happy to help. It also allows the thread to stay on topic.
I have said many times on this forum. A class 1 licence is one of the cheapest insurance policies you can get. And this proves my point. For some it’s a career, and for others it’s a stop gap, side hustle and a bit of fun. Live and let live.
peterm:
I thought a man of your superior intelligence and intellect would have read the story properly. The man said that he can’t renew his licence and he’ll have to cough up another six grand to get it back. How’s your reversing going now?
How sad are you? Sammyn wishes the guy well and hopes he gets back to work soon and you accuse him of not reading the story properly. 
njl:
Should any topics come up in future bemoaning the few grand and couple of weeks to get licence sorted, may this article put it into perspective.devonlive.com/news/devon-ne … 060807.amp
Poor guy thought he’d seen the back of 52 tops on a downhill…
Always have a plan B. Good luck to the guy and hope it works out for him.
I know he has to revalidate his license (costing 6k), but I’d imagine airlines going bust would be like haulage companies going bust. The passengers/cargo are still going to want to fly and another operator will come in and take the workload.
After this is over obviously.
jakethesnake:
idrive:
jakethesnake:
Good to see you back UK Tramp. Enjoyed reading many of your interesting posts in the past. Watch out though there are still some that don’t like lorry drivers that can turn their hands to other things and write legibly.This could be the most pathetic thing that has ever been written on the internet
Your little meaningless comments are the only thing that’s pathetic.
Whilst we’re at it…
Legible, adjective (of handwriting or print) clear enough to read.
Whilst there are many words to describe postings on here, including but not limited to…
unclear, confused, muddled, unintelligible, incomprehensible, hard to follow, disjointed, disconnected, unconnected, disordered, mixed up, garbled, jumbled, misinformed, fantastical, misguided, repetitive, rambling, wandering, discursive, disorganized, uncoordinated, illogical, and in your case, simply untrue, they are (barring dead pixels on your screen), unfortunately legible.
That’s a great story, which would sound unbelievable for some people on this forum if you would not post the link, this should in theory protect you from any abuse.
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He must have either a CPL (Commercial Pilot’s Licence) or an ATPL (Airline Transport Pilot’s Licence). He’ll also have a “type rating”, meaning a specific qualification to fly a specific aircraft. A bit like a specific qualification to drive a Volvo or Scania.
The issue is that the “type” that he flew on (presumably a Bombardier Q400), is now not used in the UK, as flyBe were the only user of that type. So sadly, the rating he has is now practically useless.
To get another job, he’d need to undertake another type rating. Which would mean getting another job, for another airline. Which won’t happen any time for probably the next 2 years.
In September 2019, Thomas Cook went bust leaving around 600 pilots unemployed on the UK pilot market. Around 400 were absorbed by other airlines, leaving 200 still looking for work. In March 2020 flyBe went bust, adding 600 pilots to that number. 50 pilots were made redundant by Wizz UK last week. Norwegian shedded over 1,000 pilots in Scandinavia on Monday, with several hundred in the UK of a similar fate.
That’s well over 1,000 pilots just in the UK who are unemployed. With literally ZERO pilot jobs available. Airlines have practically no revenue, yet costs are astronomical. The words “aviation” and “cheap” never go in the same sentence. Airlines are losing hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of pounds per day.
And in the weeks to come, the weakest companies are probably Virgin Atlantic and TUI UK. Plus lots of smaller airlines fighting to survive. Should anything happen to them, that would be another 1,500 pilots on the UK pilot market. 2,500 pilots unemployed, just in the UK, with absolutely no jobs out there. At all. Maybe, just maybe there could be a chance of an interview in 2021. But there will be hundreds after that one job.
I have the utmost respect and sympathy for this lad. But aviation is absolutely brutal. Beyond brutal. At least he is clever enough to have a plan B.
Rottweiler22:
He must have either a CPL (Commercial Pilot’s Licence) or an ATPL (Airline Transport Pilot’s Licence). He’ll also have a “type rating”, meaning a specific qualification to fly a specific aircraft. A bit like a specific qualification to drive a Volvo or Scania.I have the utmost respect and sympathy for this lad. But aviation is absolutely brutal. Beyond brutal. At least he is clever enough to have a plan B.
He will have both a CPL and an ATPL. He needs both to fly here. His type rating will be gone. But hopefully the bloke has enough hours in his log book to find something when it blows over. And with his back story I’m sure he will sort it out!
My comments about someone calling him a troll - were because I suggested this for myself and got abused and ridiculed by some of the ‘hgv positive’ tattoo gang. Told it wasn’t possible. I got as far as doing 13 hours flying lessons before realizing it wasn’t for me. But have enough knowledge about this to have more respect for this bloke than anything.
Another driver/pilot who used to post on here said he went back into driving during the last massive recession. Guess what… he was abused and told he was a dreamer. It’s such a shame that the knuckle draggers chase away anyone who intimidates them with a bit of class or intelligence.
jakethesnake:
peterm:
I thought a man of your superior intelligence and intellect would have read the story properly. The man said that he can’t renew his licence and he’ll have to cough up another six grand to get it back. How’s your reversing going now?How sad are you? Sammyn wishes the guy well and hopes he gets back to work soon and you accuse him of not reading the story properly.
peterm was referring to the other login uktramp. 
UKtramp:
Being a truck driver doesn’t mean your too stupid to do anything else.
you’re 
sammym:
He will have both a CPL and an ATPL. He needs both to fly here. His type rating will be gone. But hopefully the bloke has enough hours in his log book to find something when it blows over. And with his back story I’m sure he will sort it.
I don’t want to get into the technicalities of pilot licensing, because I agree with everything you say.
The qualification you need to fly for an airline is a CPL (ME/IR) MCC/JOC UPRT. This is informally known as a “frozen” ATPL. In English, that is a Commercial Pilot’s Licence, with a Multi-Engine Rating, Instrument Rating, Multi-Crew Co-ordination Certifcate, Jet Orientation Certificate, and Upset Prevention Recovery Training.
This the legal minimum to fly for an airline in the EU. When certain experience levels are met (to simplify), you can upgrade the above qualification to an ATPL (Airline Transport Pilot’s Licence). This is commonly known as an “unfrozen” ATPL, and the upgrade process is known as “unfreezing” your ATPL. It takes around 2 years of flying for an airline to “unfreeze” your ATPL. So you can’t have both a CPL and ATPL, as the gaining of an ATPL replaces the CPL.
If he’s been in the game 13 months, it is very unlikely he will have enough hours to upgrade his CPL (ME/IR) to an ATPL, so my judgement is that is he will have a CPL.
But besides the point, aviation is a truly horrific industry. It feels the effects of the economy much quicker, and much harder than most industries. So full credit to the lad for falling back and keeping his head held high. The cream always rise to the top, and he’s clearly a grafter. So he’ll be fine. It will just take time.
However, for the next 18 months, the only pilot jobs will be on poor terms, poor pay, and most likely require relocations to far flung corners of Europe, if not the world. Which many pilots with kids, wives, houses and mortgages physically will not be able to do. So by driving a truck, you’d be home more, probably be working less hours, and probably earn more. Hard to believe, but I assure you that it’s true.
Aviation has it’s fantastic highs, but also dreadful lows. And it changes with the blink of an eye. This time last year was the peak of global aviation. Now we’re in the biggest low since 9/11. Go figure. Haulage may seem crap to some, but the peaks and troughs are considerably flatter than those in aviation.
Rottweiler22:
He must have either a CPL (Commercial Pilot’s Licence) or an ATPL (Airline Transport Pilot’s Licence). He’ll also have a “type rating”, meaning a specific qualification to fly a specific aircraft. A bit like a specific qualification to drive a Volvo or Scania.The issue is that the “type” that he flew on (presumably a Bombardier Q400), is now not used in the UK, as flyBe were the only user of that type. So sadly, the rating he has is now practically useless.
To get another job, he’d need to undertake another type rating. Which would mean getting another job, for another airline. Which won’t happen any time for probably the next 2 years.
In September 2019, Thomas Cook went bust leaving around 600 pilots unemployed on the UK pilot market. Around 400 were absorbed by other airlines, leaving 200 still looking for work. In March 2020 flyBe went bust, adding 600 pilots to that number. 50 pilots were made redundant by Wizz UK last week. Norwegian shedded over 1,000 pilots in Scandinavia on Monday, with several hundred in the UK of a similar fate.
That’s well over 1,000 pilots just in the UK who are unemployed. With literally ZERO pilot jobs available. Airlines have practically no revenue, yet costs are astronomical. The words “aviation” and “cheap” never go in the same sentence. Airlines are losing hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of pounds per day.
And in the weeks to come, the weakest companies are probably Virgin Atlantic and TUI UK. Plus lots of smaller airlines fighting to survive. Should anything happen to them, that would be another 1,500 pilots on the UK pilot market. 2,500 pilots unemployed, just in the UK, with absolutely no jobs out there. At all. Maybe, just maybe there could be a chance of an interview in 2021. But there will be hundreds after that one job.
I have the utmost respect and sympathy for this lad. But aviation is absolutely brutal. Beyond brutal. At least he is clever enough to have a plan B.
Tell you what else he has mate.
A pair of the most swollen plums ever Christ on a bike, what a kick in the (Tesco Goole)ies. Still, every little helps I suppose.
Harry Monk:
UKtramp:
Being a truck driver doesn’t mean your too stupid to do anything else.you’re
Thanks Harry, of course I knew the spelling but was too quick to press the submit button. Hoping no one had noticed that/ 
Amongst the cost of aviation, you have to remember that Boeing doesn’t sell aeroplanes, the major airlines lease their engines, tyres and planes and will still be paying a daily rate for them 
And to add British Airways have now said that 12,000 jobs are at risk .
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peterm:
I thought a man of your superior intelligence and intellect would have read the story properly. The man said that he can’t renew his licence and he’ll have to cough up another six grand to get it back. How’s your reversing going now?
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nice one…
dont be answering back the 3 amigos though or thatl lead it into yet another jakethesammytramp lock again like the other threads.
looks like your a classic case of cyber bullying though.
i think you best either commit suicide,or take a big flounce…
if that dude is working for tesco again,then thats two places he wont be flying about.
he says he aint a hero on that newspaper article,but if he delivers near darlington theres always the chance he will get the clap. 
Wheel Nut:
Amongst the cost of aviation, you have to remember that Boeing doesn’t sell aeroplanes, the major airlines lease their engines, tyres and planes and will still be paying a daily rate for them
I am sure there will be a contract with a couple of million words covering the far end of a ■■■■ but Rolls Royce have been selling their engines on a per flying hour basis for some years now. Sharing the hurt around so to speak as whilst no one buying, wings ain’t flying.
Similar to the transport adage of when the wheels ain’t turning.
Seem to think that Michelin charged for/ by take off and landing but again, individual deals will be struck by different players.