Space Karen & Crusty the clown doing a bang up job.
Nah just a totally opressed state of people, who had to do as they wete told.
Some of them that far gone they were even brainwashed into believing all the crap they were told…sounds a bit familiar does that.
Ok…So now you are explaining the concept of common sense to me and without a hint of irony 
..And oh look!.. and another thumbs up.
You did read the bit where I stated that I was not being entirely serious about looking at you as my ‘‘mentor’’ didn’t you?
Or are you actually believing your own hype now?
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We had very good and productive discussions with President Vladimir Putin of Russia yesterday, and there is a very good chance that this horrible, bloody war can finally come to an end — BUT, AT THIS VERY MOMENT, THOUSANDS OF UKRAINIAN TROOPS ARE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY THE RUSSIAN MILITARY, AND IN A VERY BAD AND VULNERABLE POSITION. I have strongly requested to President Putin that their lives be spared. This would be a horrible massacre, one not seen since World War II. God bless them all!!!
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ah ha young Robert. You’ve been kidding us all along. You are the Z generation that answered in that recent poll…
Personally, I think the only reason there was no lefties in power (except for the occasional MP who was slightly more generous with his tithes) back in the good ole days, was because the rich started from a position of near absolute power and would hang, draw and quarter anyone who spoke up for worker’s rights (and they routinely did) Cromwell was a slight aberration, and he turned out to be a despot too before he got ill and popped his clogs, allowing the monarchy back in charge. Not forgetting that despite the modern assumption that as an anti royalist, he was a common man, he was actually a landed gentleman 'imself who just wanted more not less, again.
So maybe of course nothing works other than despotism. Lets keep trump, musk, putin and their douchebags all in power because we need strong wise men to tell us wot to do. Can’t see an alternative, so stuff the fight, roll over for an easy life, fine.
Seriously though. I of course recognise the human dilemma. Those who can command support and obedience, are usually the exact same turds that only want the power to feather their own nests to the detriment of everyone else. Those of us who want equality for all, peace, and a nice life, lack the ability to rouse a rabble in order to effect any positive change or maintain a healthy peace.
Until we somehow find someone who will square that circle and lead us mixture of misfits, layabouts, followers, lovers and thinkers, forward to a genuine socialist paradise for the benefit of all, we’re gonna keep doing this human stupid thing of knowingly electing corrupt leaders who keep screwing us over. We are two legged scorpions, we cannot change our nature it seems even when we keep drowning.
But as fragglerock says, allowing putin and trump to do as they please is the definite short cut to more misery for all. If trump wasn’t so clearly compromised and insane, but actually truly stood for a greater america, he’s see that by standing shoulder to shoulder with europe against putin, it would at least make putin pause and consider his own cost benefit ratios. We’ve had world stand offs before, and things haven’t ended with WW3.
I will lay money on it, that if we let putin have his one sided victory (ceasefire) he will then quickly move onto ‘annexing’ other lumps of eastern europe he fancies, while china will speed ahead with Taiwan, and doubtless ping pong urea will try invading South Korea safe in the knowledge at the US will definitely not intervene there. Israel will go ahead with wiping the State of Palestine off the earth and turn it into Israeli terrority.
And having relieved his military of all these other obligations, the US will go ahead with trying to annex Greenland and the Panama Canal. By which time the world economy will be so messed up, any other country that might intervene in anyway, will be more concerned trying to stop their own people from a.) starving and b.) revolting. What trump is doing, is directly affecting the world, and even us driving up and down the road looking for a decent cafe.
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Jonathan Freedland explains:-
Not content with shattering the post-1945 international order, which delivered prosperity and power to his country for eight long decades, Donald Trump is seemingly set on destroying the US economy. And he’s doing it because he, and the American right, have lost their ability to grasp reality.
Start with the economic vandalism, unfolding in real time and mesmerising to watch. For weeks, you could see the US stock market falling and falling until on Thursday the S&P index passed an unwanted milestone: it stood more than 10% down from the peak it had reached less than a month earlier, a fall that meets the Wall Street definition of a “correction”. In other words, even if the market eventually rallies, this is no blip.
The talk now is of a recession and you can tell that Trump himself suspects it’s coming. “I hate to predict things like that,” he said this week. “There is a period of transition because what we’re doing is very big. We’re bringing wealth back to America … It takes a little time.” Did you catch that? The great booster, who campaigned on a promise to turn things around “on day one”, is now adopting the lotus position, talking of “transition” and urging patience.
The source of the trouble is not mysterious. It is Trump himself. His actions since taking office less than two months ago have spooked investors. They crave stability but see a president who governs by whim. Those whims can change hourly – imposing a tariff after breakfast only to drop it before lunch. One minute it’s a 50% levy on Canadian aluminium, the next it’s 200% on European wine, only for one or the other to be binned within hours. It keeps Trump in the news, which he loves, but plays havoc with companies that have to plan for the long term. Confronted by chaos, they prefer to wait to see where things settle. That means orders on hold, workers without work, less money in everyone’s pocket.
Add in a wild-eyed guy with a chainsaw taking chunks out of a federal bureaucracy that provides services that, for all their Ayn Rand talk of a minimal state, business leaders rely on – whether it’s schools, roads or air traffic controllers to keep planes in the sky – and you can see why the only surging number on Wall Street right now is the one that measures pessimism.
To be clear, it’s not just the manic style of Trump and Elon Musk that’s causing alarm. Even if imposed calmly, tariffs are a prosperity killer. Trump may be their biggest advocate, but it’s clear he doesn’t understand how they work. He speaks as if the people paying them will be hated foreigners, the likes of China or Canada forced to pay billions into US coffers. When, in fact, tariffs are a sales tax levied on US consumers who have to pay extra for imported goods. A tariff on foreign cars, say, is not paid by Germany but by an American who buys a BMW. It drives prices up for Americans. When other countries hit back with tariffs of their own, making US products harder to sell, you’re in a trade war that only makes everything worse.
Hence the current dread of stagflation, the grim combination of zero growth and rising inflation. The word was born in the Jimmy Carter era, but the Trumpcession will have bonus features all its own. When I spoke to Heather Boushey, who served as an economic adviser to the Biden administration, for the latest Politics Weekly America podcast, she told me that Musk’s supremacy over so much of the federal government, even as he continues to run his own mega-businesses, is having one particular chilling effect. “Companies are looking at this and saying: ‘I can’t compete with an Elon Musk that’s in charge of the regulatory agencies, that’s going to do things only for himself.’ That’s going to stymie investment, it’s going to stymie innovation, and ultimately be terrible for the US economy.”
Boushey adds that Trump’s US will be less able to weather a recession, because the Trump-Musk cuts are stripping away so much of the infrastructure of support, cutting a combined total of more than $1tn from the Medicaid and food stamps programmes alone. When the storm hits, families will go hungry.
It’s bad for the country and bad for Trump politically: the people most dependent on soon-to-be gutted government help such as Medicare or Medicaid are Trump voters. As the impact of the cuts kicks in – national parks closed during the summer, delayed benefits for veterans, a deadly accident, for example, in an area previously safeguarded – many Americans could sour on the president who promised to make their lives better. Especially when they see him go ahead with his signature policy: a $4.5tn tax cut that will massively benefit the very richest.
Why, then, is Trump pursuing a course of action that can only damage the country and dent his own standing? The explanation lies in the way Trump sees the world. Which is through a lens clouded by the very phenomenon he once did so much to identify: fake news.
For most of the past decade, the focus has been on the likes of Trump and Musk as peddlers of falsehoods. There has been less attention paid to their role as consumers of lies. And yet it’s long been clear that Musk is spending too much time on X and is getting extremely high on his own supply. Witness his credulous swallowing of all kinds of far-right rubbish about Britain.
Trump is scarcely any better, believing provable nonsense about Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s poll ratings being in the single digits, when in fact the Ukrainian leader’s numbers are much better than his, to pick just one instance of Trump putting aside the briefings he could have from the world’s best-resourced intelligence agencies and preferring to gobble up internet slop instead.
It’s a function of Trump not shifting his core views in decades – he was banging on about tariffs in the 1980s – and being, as Zelenskyy memorably put it, “trapped” in a “disinformation bubble”. It consists of the team of sycophants that now envelops him – the “adults in the room” of the first term are long gone – and whose message is reinforced when he meets the press: note how many of the supposed reporters whom Trump encounters are, in fact, representatives from pro-Trump outlets so slavish they make Fox News look like Edward R Murrow.
The result, says one longtime Trump watcher, is that “he’s more sheltered from outside information than he ever has been before”. Like Saddam Hussein in his bunker as US forces approach the palace, he is being told that tariffs made the US rich in the 19th century and will do so again, that Elon Musk is popular and that the people are grateful to their leader, even when the economy is nosediving. Inside the info-bubble, any contrary voice can be dismissed, even if it requires acrobatics to do it. Trump’s latest target is the Murdoch-owned, conservative Wall Street Journal, which dared point out the dangers of a trade war: Trump countered that the “globalist” WSJ was “owned by the polluted thinking of the European Union”. Inside the bubble, there is no room for truth: it must be kept out by lies.
For now, and armed with the loudest megaphone on the planet, the US president can keep reality at bay.
But eventually, Americans will be able to see with their own eyes and in their own lives what Trump has done to the US and the wider world. Their daily experience will expose him for what he is: a confidence trickster who has made them poorer and less safe.
The only question is when.
That’s my whole point. Trump, Elon and Maga voters made her irrelevant so that the U.S wouldn’t plunge into a Woke Hell on earth.
When Elon says that the woke mind virus needs to be eradicated, that’s an understatement of biblical proportions. The leftist cancer needs to die a painful death in order for society to prosper.
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And especially in the UK.
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Woke hell on Earth
Woke mind virus needs to be eradictaed
Understatement of biblical proportions
…wait for it…
Cancer needs to die a painful death
BINGO!
A whole load of buzz words, with no cohesive argument combining them at all.
The more people try to defend and support the likes of muskrat and trump, by denigrating anyone with a functioning mind and the ability to distinguish between fact and fiction, no matter how many times the fiction is repeated,
the more maga and their european cousins expose their true Stalinist nature.
Elon like the other billionaires don’t like losing money, even if they remain relatively filthy rich, their heart’s desire is to be much more filthy rich, not a little less. Right now muskrat is panicking as his worth in toaster shares plummets. And when low brow bullies like muskrat get scared, they lash out at easy targets. Throw a few slurs, threats and taunts around.
When an ordinary working class person supports a filthy rich person in their despotic rampage, with zero return for themselves, what exactly is the point? How do you gain anything at all except perhaps some empty hollow pointless pyrrhic delusional believe of having “dealt it to the man”
When we on the left of fascism stand up for decency, truth and equality, we’re speaking not from soundbites of convicted felons with dodgy tax returns and bad hairpieces, but from our hearts. We actually believe what we say. We’re not trying to gain personal advantage, we’re not trolling for the sake of internet laughs, we’re actually fighting for a better future for us and our children, all children.
It is incomprehensible why any sane person who stands to lose more than they could ever gain, support moral defectives like muskrat and trump.
Actually it isn’t totally incomprehensible. There is one possible explanation. People who repeatedly support the indefensible in the face of all facts, can only be trolls. I see no other explanation for what is otherwise insane behaviour.
If you look at the average American Joe their psyche is fascinated with cultism. They wrap this up in their “life of faith” attitude, believing in false prophets and anyone who promises them the ultimate oxymoron “a better life after death”. Trump seized on this, and his narcissistic desire to be seen as the saviour of all things that made America great made them an easy target.
Where I think Trump will fall down is if he tries to remove the US from NATO. If you don’t need to have a military presence all over the world then it follows that you don’t need a large military or the hardware that supports it. Cue millions of jobs lost in the defence production and support field. The strength of the US military industrial complex (MIC) will bring about his downfall. They might not like NATO but they (the MIC) know what it does for them.
The Portuguese have just cancelled their order for F-35 jets.
Even after delivery, modern kit needs software updates and quick parts back-up etc They are not trusting a fickle US gov but buying inside Europe.
Lost jobs for US arms exporters as you say.
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Inspiring stuff !
I am thinking of having my biography written, well if I save up enough money to get it written and published, and am considering the title
“Franglais and Casanova”
I consider that to be modest enough.
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Yep…and all of which YOU find offensive.
I can’t think why.
Thank goodness someone is kicking it off. What country is ever going to place their faith in America to support their products in a time of need. I assume that the UK are working on getting around the problem of how to launch a nuclear missile without their help as well. Once the American public see that Trump’s vision of what will “Make America Great Again” is actually going to destroy a lot of their industries perhaps they will come to their senses. They only need to look at how Airbus brought Boeing to the the brink of extinction. A refreshed European defence manufacturing industry could become the middle east supplier of choice. Especially as the US seems hell bent on supporting Israel in their attempts to eradicate Islam.
Maybe the Trump Tower will be renamed “Trumps Folly” in his honour.
Hell mend them for being so stupid as to vote for him. Although, to try and make some excuse for them, the choice of first Biden and then Harris wasn’t exactly the Democrats finest hour.
You see that is one of the characteristics of a true lefty.
That air of superioriy , the superior sneer, suggesting anybody with an opposite view is ignorant, and that they always know something that you do not, and the stuff that you do know,… they know much better …patronising.
And there it is again, basically if you do not have a leftist stand point you are insane…oh yeah and a racist, far right and/or a Nazi.
Yeah a lot like what goes on on this thread.
No ■■■■…who does?
You have just described everybody in the world, rich or poor.
The way of the world is the rich rule the poor…get over it,
And especially in this country, the old Feudal system is alive and well, it is later known as the Class system, which is reported to have died out…it hasn’t !
Best way to deal with it I find, is head down, look after yourself and yours the best you can,.and live with it..deal with it…and get on with it best you can (unless you are gonna don a black beret with a star badge, grow a beard,.and be a pound shop revolutionary.
I doubt that very much .
When you are worth what he is worth, panic is not a thing you experience.
Besides I, and others dont give a rat’s ass about Musk, it’s your lot who have such a big problem with him.
As far as I am concerned he is Trump’s crazy mate with a penchant for chainsaws…we all have that sort of mate .(only mine is just crazy, I’ve never seen him bring his chainsaw into Spoons yet )
I aint got a problem with that, it’s all the other absolute dog sh that they ‘stand for’ that causes most of the problems.
So am I mate…trust me.
Ahh right got it.
I’ll.add that one to the list of ignorant, far right, racist and Nazi…
Let me know if you come up with anymore btw.
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I wonder if he would write the same book now.
Something we actually agree on.
I’d take it even further, if that happens all the surviving NATO nations are all Donald Ducked…emphasis on the '‘Donald’ bit.
You don’t think that a new European Defence Force could come about that could protect Europe and stand up for the freedoms of other less fortunate states?
Yeah that will be a blow eh?
The Portugese Air Force is renowned for it’s size and second to none reputation…and relavance on the World stage of air defence.
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Shhh secret…I have learned summet from you at last
I did not even realise Portugal.HAD an Air Force.
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