Certainly wasn’t me. Care to give stats/graphs/government pie charts?
Military axiom “know and understand your enemy “ . It’s not rocket science really.
No. Rather let us agree that the Quran does not say that anywhere, at any time. Full stop.
Let us agree that “KILL ALL INFIDELS” is made up crap. Unless you can show otherwise of course?
Murderers and terrorists have often used religions as an excuse for their actions.
Generally religions disown those who kill in the name of religion.
Yep it is, so why do you (in terms of your ‘lot’) tend to favour and stick up for the most radical of these type of people, the terrorist Palestinian state for instance, painting them as the innocents, and whiter than white.
Why is everything related to Judaism and Israel ‘all bad’ in ‘your lot’s’ eyes and perspective…particulary given the history of prolonged persecution for generations in their history, and especially as you are suposed to be ‘socialists’.
But mainly why is everybody and every state however radical and ‘foreign’ in terms of culture favoured over a proven ally …arguably an historic saviour to our country…the USA?
I just don’t get it, but then again I’m just a guy who relies on logic and common sense rather than being influenced to the point of being led by a chain on the nose by some political doctrine or agenda.
Yeah? Care to show even one instance where a Muslim atrocity has been carried out and it has “generally “ been disavowed by any Islamic body or person of consequence?
Just wonder why the likes of Abu Hamza and Anjen Choudary were allowed to and infact seemingly encouraged to preach hatred and incite violence and yet their elders or Imams or whatever else name they go by allowed this for numerous years unfettered.
its the persecution of them by the far right
what back in 1979?? i was 2 ffs. britain and america supported hussain until he got to big for his breaches and stepped over the mark.
nothing complex about it. hamas/Palestine (mooslims) dont like the jews and have been bombing, kidnapping and killing them since 1979. they have finally had enough of lefty cobblers and peace talks and are fighting back the only why these mooslims understand.
what he actually said was if you attack our bases we will obliterate you… no ambiguity just plain english. im sure if someone threatened to smack you on the nose… you would suggest they dont or there would be reprisals… like calling the police maybe.
America and Israel provided weapons to Iran during their conflict with Iraq. Just for balance.
It occurs to me, further to the previous posts, that the Quran is written in Arabic. And written Arabic has no capital letters as such.
9/11 ? Condemned by the religious leaders in Palestine, among others. https://ammanmessage.com/media/911-Islamic-Condemnation.pdf
Condemning Terrorism | The Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Centre
"seemimgly "is carrying a lot here.
“Hamza’s anti-Western sermons and hate-filled rants frequently provoked widespread condemnation, much of it from within the Islamic community.”
I never heard an Immam condemning Hamza, but I never went into a Mosque, so hardly surprising that I seem to have missed out on hearing it. That does not mean it was not happening.
Just as the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones preached weird ■■■■ and were widely condemned by mainstream Christians they carried on anyway as “free speech” is allowed.
It happens all over the place.
yes because there was concern that hussain would go that way
Have I made posts condemning Jews? Or all Israelis?
I have tried to separate the current Israeli regime, from the whole state of Israel and from Jews as a group. I recognise that Netanyahu is not a representative of all of Israel.
Who says that “Palestine is a terrorist state”?
Again and again…two plus two do not equal 7 !
I am not against the USA. I do not like the current POTUS.
yeah like they are going to say good one mate we will send more to our training camps. they are like your bestie nothing to do with us we didnt do anything… we arent responsible for how they are acting
maybe as hamza or hamas or the taliban or any of these numerous groups are shouting death to the west (infidels whatever) they should be doing it publicly. why arent they… and dont give me this ■■■■ about they will be killed because they would be killed if they did it in the mosques
Nah I reckon Franglais would try and counsel him and try and point out to him the rights and wrongs of using violence, …backed up by links off the internet 
Patronise him and …THEN get a ‘smack on the nose’.
And there it is.
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“Hamza’s anti-Western sermons and hate-filled rants frequently provoked widespread condemnation, much of it from within the Islamic community.”
Funny how he ran the Finsbury Park mosque for years preaching his hatred and inciting violence and what did the Muslim leaders do, not a lot is the answer to that, he was able to preach his poison for 6 years in that mosque.
See the above reply.
Back on topic and regarding Muslims in the UK, no comment on Anjem Choudary I note.
Why would there be?
Do you want to list all the nasty people who haven’t been mentioned by anyone in this thread? There must be hundreds of them. Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, left wing, right wing, many different nationalities, all sorts.
Go and fill your boots.
Yes he did. And many religious leaders condemned his teachings.
Just as many condemned the teachings of Ian Paisley. But no one stopped him either.
Is a criminal act. If anyone does that, they should be locked up.
Because the convo regarded Muslims here in the UK, why would you cherry pick Hamza but ignore Choudary
I don’t need a list of the world’s crackpots, seemingly you do.
Another well known UK muslim hate preacher.