Netanyahu was and is a divisive leader.
Not all Israelis support his actions in Gaza.
When he leaves power he may be subject to several criminal charges relating to many things.
I can see why Israel might well be justified in chasing criminals and terrorists across borders etc. Unfortunately there will also be some innocent lives lost when such actions are necessarily taken.
But, I do not accept that the current action of starving an entire population, including women and children is in any way justified.
Beating up a puny kid because his big brother dissed you is sick.
Starving babies because their neighbours are criminals is equally sick.
so they are occupying part of israel so what. i am occupying my home in england because i am english.
wrong again it was declared a state by the palestinian national council in algiers in 1988. It is a bit like me saying im an independent state im not going to follow british law or pay taxes etc that would work well for me wouldnt it
then i would carry on down the a2 having never gone near the road block. But to answer you assanine question if i had family in dover that needed help i would be in dover with them.
i would grab helgers bottom and shout mousalini as whats his face said plop
Of course they could do that. They could send tons of explosive to kill the civilians outright. (I mean more than they already are)
But then what would happen? Would Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, sit by and watch? What would happen to Israel Internationally?
And internally would all Israelis citizens be happy? Netanyahu is walking a narrow line as he is not a popular leader at home anyway.
Russia could equally drop a nuke on Kyiv. They haven’t. It is not because Putain is concerned about civilians either.
I know we are going off on a tangent here but…Oh God no!..
They have to go for your first option otherwise they end up like this ex copper
‘Ex’ cos he got the sack for being too harsh on some lew life scrote carrying a knife.
Furthermore ‘‘grassed up’’ by his colleague, presumably a lefty ex graduate with aspirations of becoming a ‘‘Diversity Police Officer’’…aka the type ‘‘they’’ prefer now in Starmer’s Police service.
They want more of a Tom Allen type figure than a Tom Hardy one if you get my drift.
What he should have done is go along the lines of your first option then escort him into a cop car…(with rainbow chevrons on the side) , back to station, process him, make him a tea (whilst enquiring about his mental health and whether or not he requires counselling for trauma.)
The hard line approach by Police is only for dealing with Starmer’s ‘‘Far right’’ …do keep up.
This copper apparentlly was a PC who had previously received commendations…
Here’s a report of it all by Nigel (my hero) Farage.
Israel’s leader is a warmonger, unfortunately his party is made up of many ultra right wingers that make him look like a an innocent bystander. He’s doing what he’s doing to the Palestinians to keep his job and save his bacon, I mean kosher chicken.
We have been here before…of course innocent lives are lost in war, that is part and parcel of war.
All very unfortunate, but it is real world reality.
So your analogy could easily be applied to any war.
Let’s start with WW2 the bombings of Germany, especially towards the end…Dresden for example.
Then the absolute ultimate ‘‘collateral damage’’ of civilians in the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Both countries started the hostilities incidentally.
A harsh fact if life where the end can justify the means no matter how tragic it may be.
The Israelis started this war in 1948 when they invaded and ejected the people of Palestine from where they were living.
A policy they still follow today, hardly surprising that the oppressed Palestinians kick back every now and then, but they are up against the military might of the USA which, because of the large and influential Jewish community there, will always take the Israeli side. The rights and wrongs of it matters not to them apart from the apart from the blessed few who do protest against Israeli excesses.
I get all that, his motive for not doing it is irrelavant to my point I was trying to make.
My point was the Palestinians definitely would wipe the entite Israeli population off the face of the earth men women and kids…(ie a terrorist ran state)
The only reason they don t is that they are incapable for whatever reason…the Israeli forces are not incapable.
(This is what I was told in conversation by a guy who knows a lot more about this stuff than I do…and presumably you.)
Only have to visit Jerusalem to see the disparity between Muslims and Jews. East Jerusalem predominantly Muslim many Ghettos, West Jerusalem predominantly Jewish mainly affluent.
[Quote Spardo]…''Glad you said ‘presumably’, because that confirms me in what I do know. ‘’
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Well unless you are an ex career soldier, who has served all over the world (including Middle East) …maybe even an ex (undisclosed) SF operator, and maybe even covertly serving with Israeli forces (again undisclosed or confirmed)
I will just carry on presuming this guy knows more about it than you, me, or anyone else on here…
Is that OK with you?
Yes that is so.
I accept that. Not happy but it inevitable in the heat of battle.
What we currently have is Israel blockading Gaza and allowing in only a trickle of food and water.
It is a siege. It is not a few innocents being lost by accident as many terrorists are justifiably killed. It is a deliberate tactic to clear the land so Israel can take it. And so Trump can build a gold casino there.
Starvation is a war crime, genocide, and a crime against humanity.
The accidental killing of civilians in a hot war, is not.
This looks very much more like the former to me.
Hamas extremists might well want that. Not all Palestinians want that.
Just as some Israelis settler groups want the Palestinians all ejected from their homes so the Israelis can expand. But not all Israelis agree with that.
Many Palestinians and probably most Arab countries in the region support a Two State solution where Palestine would be an independent country. One far too small to be a military threat to Israel.
As an aside Israel operates an apartheid system. Strongly so in the illegally occupied regions, but also in Israel itself. Arabs are not allowed the same rights as Israelis.
Well like I said, I’m fighting here with one arm behind my back, you have gone into all this stuff far more than I have…so pointless me continuing, I have given my ''casual observer’s taje on it with what I have seen on tv news, and what I have been told in conversation.
(It aint genocide btw that is a lefty description in this case, put about to create an impact…imo )
What I see from a casual observer pov, since the atrocity commited by Hamas, is a situation where terrorists have bitten off more than they could chew after a retaliation against their actions.
So they are reaping what they have sewn.
Ok…But I will continue to take the views as ‘truth’ from somebody who has ‘‘been there and done that’’ first hand,…who undoubtedly knows more about it than he is willing (or allowed) to tell me even as a friend, over a bunch of drivers just like myself with differing versions, and very limited knowledge who watch the news…if you get my drift.
But you know that it won’t be an ‘independent country’ it would be the same Arab run and armed vipers’ nest that it has been since the Romans invented it to massacre and ethnically cleanse the inhabitants of Judeah.
This is all about the survival of Israel which anti Semitic Socialism is allied with Islam to wipe off the map just like Judeah before it.
History shows that Israel needs Gaza and Golan for its defence and for that survival not expansion, and you and your commie mates know it.
You mean your type of diplomacy.Borders to enforce a Socialist backed artificial Arab enclave for Arabs when it suits you.But an open door no borders Socialist collective for us when it doesn’t.
Which leaves the question why are you so keen to deliver up our forces, to an inevitably doomed adventure in a Russian field ?.Bearing in mind that KGB Putin and his Commy comrades are obviously on your side.
im going to need your address then if occupying a place you own is illegal.
it all boils down to this… israel has the med to the west syria and lebenon to the north jorden to the east and egypt to the south end of. dont believe me crack an atlas and show me where it says palestine.
cry all you want about the un and other lefty liberal groups that shout human rights and all that crap when they dont do anything about hamas etc bombing israel. The truth of the matter is its about oil and how to get it to the west. Same as ukraine .
Yeah you used that one with the Fishermen.