Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times** .” The quote, from a postapocalyptic novel by the author G. Michael Hopf
I reckon that is one of those quotes where you could easily find examples that support it, and that contradict it.
See Trump fan Greta Thunberg has been detained by the Israelis 
Apparently so.
When Israeli armed forces boarded a UK reg vessel sailing in international waters, they took Thunberg, a Swedish citizen, a French MEP and others to Israel.
So a ship carrying “supplies” to “palestine” is inspected by israeli forces. So what. They are at war al be it a civil war. They dont have a crystal ball they have no idea who or what is on board. Did they go on there guns blazing and shoot everyone in sight… no. Did they beat everyone up… no. Did they just simply blow it out the water… no. They sat them down calmly where everyone would be safe both the occupants of the vessel and the isralies while they did their search. They were even allowed to make videos ffs
If its true they were taken to israel and not some play on words as palestine doesnt exist they either didnt have the correct documentation or something was found.
How many times has the bbc reported something along the lines of “nasty israel did this” only to have to print a retraction. Israel is feeding palestinians there is no need for aid ships
posted this on the music thread but thought it was appropriate here… good for another 1000 i hate trump posts
Oh the “big beautiful wall” ! That “Mexico will pay for”.
How did he do between 2016 and 2020?
During his first term some barriers were repaired and upgraded.
It grew in length from 654miles to 669 miles.
I make that an extra 15 miles. Along a border of !,954 miles.
I think my pet cat could have done better.
And she lacks opposable thumbs.
The Mexican Gov paid nothing towards it.
Yep someone arrives by boat either illegally, not in the best interests of your country…or both.
They get detained and turned back around…
See nothing wrong with that at all.
Well at least an effort was made to stop illegall immigrants from entering his country…more than anything Starmer has done, does, or will do for
He made a good point in fact…
He got the idea from The Great Wall of China.
As he rightly said, it works…
Just how many Mexicans are there in China.
They hadn’t arrived, they were in international waters, they weren’t heading for the Israeli’s country but the one that Israel is illegally blockading, and they apparently had a negligable amount of aid on board, but they made a point, as if anything could make the Israelis look worse than they already are and so, job done.
Still rather foolish imo, but 213 years ago a similar action by the Royal Navy caused a war with the USA, as if Britain didn’t already have its hands full fighting a world war against Boney. 
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Ok so some would say strike early, the element of surprise, prevention is better than cure.
A negligable amount?.. so.a ploy to achieve a hidden political agenda rather than an aid trip.
Yep in your opinion, but many people see things from the Israeli perspective,.and have a different opinion.
democrat news reporter while reporting on the riots in LA said “its trumps fault he needs to be careful if he sends the police in it could turn violent. They are just having fun destroying property and watching things burn”
while we are on the subject of these deluded idiots they are standing outside ice detention centers shouting free americans waving a mexican flag in support.
so they tried to run a blockade and got stopped and boarded… boo hoo … its their own fault then.
thats funny the ffc aid it was their biggest one yet. so what were they carrying… maybe israel had a tip off and that is why…
you could of stopped the sentence there. thats is what the media are trying to do. that is why they keep having to publish appologies
No.
The UK reg ship was taken to Israel by armed Israeli forces.
True. But so what?
Is it OK for an armed copper to stop you in the street, take you to the cop shop. And impound you car?
Would it be OK if that copper was a foreign country’s cop?
All is OK because they didn’t kick or kill you?
No.
Israel is illegally occupying a foreign country.
The UN voted by 124 votes against 14 that Israel should leave.
If my brick laying pussy cat were to receive one dog biscuit every fortnight she would be fed by me. She would still starve though.
You don’t like the BBC ? Try the NYT. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/29/opinion/gaza-aid-unicef-un.html
ill tell you what is funny a british fishing vessel was taken and the crew “kidnapped” and no one said a word.
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I aint going to pretend I fully understand the situation between Israel and Gaza,…I don’t.
Mainly because it does not really concern me,.and I aint particularly interested.
I do know it has been going on for years with very little chance of resolve.
I also know that the latest situation was caused by terrorists from a terrorist state, in a terrorist attack murdering innocent kids.
So the Israelis retaliated.
I also know they refuse to release some…sausages?
I also know they are laughighly being accused of genocide by a certain fraternity, when in reality (I am reliably told) they could achieve that in days if they wanted to,
However.they dont…where as on the other side of the coin the Palestinians would…, but are incapable.
So the atrocity, the terrorist aspect, and the fact that the situation is absolutely awash with sympathy on the side of Palestine from bleating lefties,( which tells me enough in it’s self ) so given the choice my preference (for what it’s worth) makes me errr on the side of the Israelis.
Im with Israeli on retaliation for what was done
But for a country that supposedly has one of the best intelligence agencies in the world and couldn’t go about it in a different way kind of says to me there’s a much bigger agenda here
yep for further insepection and to deal with what ever was found. As to “armed israeli forces” you contradicted yourself there again. they are israeli forces what do you expect them to be carrying a bouquet of roses and box of chocolates ffs?
Yes if he has reason to stop me ie i tried to ram through a road block in this case. Then if my story was i was delivering aid with 12 other people that no one will say who they are. They do a preliminary search and find i only have a dozen sticking plasters then yes they will take me to the cop shop and rightly so.
Further more in your analogy they wont quietly say oh excuse me sir could you possibly step out of your car and would it be too much to ask for you to lie down. Thank you very much sir you are a gent and a scholar. If i rammed a road block depending on the situation they would either be sticking their guns in my face and dragging my sorry arse out the car very hard or if a more serious road block like a border they wouldnt be shouting anything they would be firing at me guns blazing. Rightly so.
palestine isnt a country look it up. It was an area set aside IN israel by agreement with the israeli government at the time. Most were happy with the arrangement only the terrorists and the greedy kept causing issues so israel finally had enough and did something about it to protect themselves.
Really?
Well NO, actually.
I guess you are referring to the UK boat that was fishing in French waters without a permit.
Or do you assume that a UK truck driving through France with no licence and no permit would be allowed to carry on without hindrance? So it would be equally OK for a French truck with no permit to operate in the UK?
No contradiction at all. They were not boarded by the Israeli merchant marine, were they? Nor by unarmed forces.
An illegal road block, around an illegally occupied area, with people illegally being held on the other side?
What if the road block was set up in at Rochester and you had starving family in Dover? …And the copper was an Italian?
In a sailing boat…
Was the sailing boat a military threat to Israel? Any weapons aboard it?
Israel is illegally occupying territory in Gaza and the West Bank.
Israel is building there for Israeli settlers.
The occupation is illegal under International law.
Palestine has never been inside Israel…Or outside of biblical times anyway.
When it was occupied by Israel in 1967 it was part of Egypt.