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Didnt they learn their lesson from London… The roads are not big enough. Anyone who has driven in London knows roads with bus lanes and cycle paths make the roads too narrow.
I cant tell you how many irate bus drivers give me the dagger from behind because they cant get past me in the bus lane.
I also think the idea of banning diesel buses as bad. They are good for having limited down time. I am not sold on electric buses. There is some talk of hydrogen buses though. Which I am not that experienced with.
Personally, I feel bus lanes in London make congestion worse.
Make your mind up either you’re on board with the PC crusade or you’re not.
Everything that’s bad about electric buses applies to EV’s in general.
An unnaffordable unviable liability.
Diesel engines are also a pollution liability since day 1.
Bus lanes and cycle lanes just removes road space to the point where journey times can’t exceed the slowest road user group including stationary buses.
Banning diesels and using Petrol/LPG fuelled buses and commercials and going back to two man bus operation and getting rid of the bus lanes and rigged traffic signalling intended to disincentivise vehicle road use is the way forward.
Oh and putting road fuel duty and VAT on income tax instead.
Hydrogen buses have been in use for years. Stagecoach in Aberdeen have them. Likewise electric buses have been used by Stagecoach for years. If any vehicle is suited to electric use surely its local buses? They don’t cover too many miles, often stop start, never really at high top speed for any sustained period etc.
As for bus lanes they’re a proven way of reducing journey times so if you put the boot on that foot and you’re trying to reduce car use it makes sense to look at them. Whether I agree with them or not is a different matter, but then I’m looking at it from my perspective.
toonsy:
As for bus lanes they’re a proven way of reducing journey times so if you put the boot on that foot and you’re trying to reduce car use it makes sense to look at them. Whether I agree with them or not is a different matter, but then I’m looking at it from my perspective.
This is such bs.
Ye every academic paper says bus lanes ease congestion. I don’t care. They have an agenda.
I have worked out of Thurrock coop and Tesco. There is no ■■■■ who has been stuck in London more than me.
Bus lanes are stupid.
E.g I used to have to deliver at the coop store by the strand. Your given a two hour window to deliver because the strand road entrance from Trafalgar Square is a bus only route. So coop only has permission during those 2 hours to enter. Trying make that 2 hour window is nuts at times.
It’s because all the buses can shoot along doing there own thing round Trafalgar Street while everyone else is stuck in gridlock.
Fulham is just as bad.
Regent Street… God London and bus lanes are just a nightmare. There is a Tesco on regent Street I fudging loathe.
The congestion in these places would be so much better without bus lanes. Half the times the buses get stuck anyway because of some numpty parked or another bus driver on break.
Where I live bus lanes are only active at peak times morning and evening so you can drive along them outside these times. Only people don’t, meaning I have a clear run most of the time I drive into the city. You even see professional HGV drivers sitting in the queues when the bus lane is usable and clear.
It looks like you are unhappy in your job, so time to move on or to tell the agency you don’t want supermarket work.
The purpose of a bus is to move large numbers of people from A to B making use of roadspace and energy in the most efficient manner practicable. In order to do this it needs to provide a service which is regular, and predictable enough to encourage travellers to use it. That means that progress along the route must also be quick enough to dissuade prospective passengers from using a car for their journey, hence bus lanes to speed up bus journeys. The congestion is primarily caused by cars and the me, me, me attitude that I-must-be-first , which often shows itself with the refusal to give way to buses trying to pull away from stops. Bus drivers don’t take breaks on stops, they use those stops designated as bus stands like Charles II Street, Northumberland Avenue and The Aldwych.
In the years I did supermarket deliveries I can say that most of the problems which did arise were because the RDC was late loading the trailer and the delivery then missed the scheduled arrival time.
Mystery Action:
Where I live bus lanes are only active at peak times morning and evening so you can drive along them outside these times. Only people don’t, meaning I have a clear run most of the time I drive into the city. You even see professional HGV drivers sitting in the queues when the bus lane is usable and clear.
Same where I live, it’s nice to have your own personal lane isn’t it.
The country is filling up with with more and more people concentrated in urban areas, congestion is one of the more obvious results, we’re all going to have to get used to it.
The pleb class will be travelling by bus or on foot or bicycle/scooter type thingy in years to come in urban areas, the electric car revolution isn’t for the benefit of working class people few people will be able to afford the fuel in years to come, i suspect private transport will again become the preserve of the rich and well connected, maybe in true socialist style there will be Zil lanes for the more equal than others.
drover:
Mystery Action:
Where I live bus lanes are only active at peak times morning and evening so you can drive along them outside these times. Only people don’t, meaning I have a clear run most of the time I drive into the city. You even see professional HGV drivers sitting in the queues when the bus lane is usable and clear.
Same where I live, it’s nice to have your own personal lane isn’t it.
As Clarkson once said…
''Traffic jams and Bus lanes?..Why should poor people have priority over you?
cav551:
It looks like you are unhappy in your job, so time to move on or to tell the agency you don’t want supermarket work.
The purpose of a bus is to move large numbers of people from A to B making use of roadspace and energy in the most efficient manner practicable. In order to do this it needs to provide a service which is regular, and predictable enough to encourage travellers to use it. That means that progress along the route must also be quick enough to dissuade prospective passengers from using a car for their journey, hence bus lanes to speed up bus journeys. The congestion is primarily caused by cars and the me, me, me attitude that I-must-be-first , which often shows itself with the refusal to give way to buses trying to pull away from stops. Bus drivers don’t take breaks on stops, they use those stops designated as bus stands like Charles II Street, Northumberland Avenue and The Aldwych.
In the years I did supermarket deliveries I can say that most of the problems which did arise were because the RDC was late loading the trailer and the delivery then missed the scheduled arrival time.
So what your saying is that the government are introducing bus lanes to make congestion worse so people prefer buses. I can get behind that.
I love my job. I love spending 3-4 hours in central London everyday. I love the cyclists and the mopeds over taking me on both sides, ITS ALL FANTASTIC OK,
DONT YOU SUGGEST I DONT LOVE MY JOB. A
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One thing is certain, if everyone on a particular bus took their car instead congestion would most certainly be worse.
switchlogic:
One thing is certain, if everyone on a particular bus took their car instead congestion would most certainly be worse.
I’d take the bus but it runs every 2 hours Monday to Friday…
switchlogic:
One thing is certain, if everyone on a particular bus took their car instead congestion would most certainly be worse.
The average car journey is under 10 miles.
People need to walk more.
We are all guilty of this.
My dad lives 2 miles away from Tesco. In 20 years he has never once walked to Tesco.
I suspect this is the case a lot.
The local shop is only 0.7 miles away. He would rather drive his transit.
Again, many people do the same.
There needs to be a way to encourage people to just walk. I dont think buses are the answer for this.
I know what doesnt work. Celebrities telling us to cut our carborn footprint down. Every single celebrity that has turned ‘climate activst’ has usually been on a private plan and spent more time commuting the atlantic then anyone else.
#Rantover.
10 miles is quite a long way to walk 
You need to stop stressing chap, lorry driving shouldn’t be that stressful!
switchlogic:
10 miles is quite a long way to walk
You need to stop stressing chap, lorry driving shouldn’t be that stressful!
You do more distance work. So when you drive in cities it is prob a nice change. If you drove in London everyday you would be be slightly batty.
adam277:
switchlogic:
10 miles is quite a long way to walk
You need to stop stressing chap, lorry driving shouldn’t be that stressful!
You do more distance work. So when you drive in cities it is prob a nice change. If you drove in London everyday you would be be slightly batty.
I spent years living and working in London on coaches and trucks
adam277:
Regent Street… God London and bus lanes are just a nightmare. There is a Tesco on regent Street I fudging loathe.
whats wrong with it you tip in the side road ?
karl67:
adam277:
Regent Street… God London and bus lanes are just a nightmare. There is a Tesco on regent Street I fudging loathe.
whats wrong with it you tip in the side road ?
The Metro is on a side road off of regent street. Along a one way system. Pain to get in there because cars are parked there so you have to keep going around, getting stuck in traffic as there is nowhere to park.
depends on time but we do that about 2am never had an issue.
adam277:
karl67:
adam277:
Regent Street… God London and bus lanes are just a nightmare. There is a Tesco on regent Street I fudging loathe.
whats wrong with it you tip in the side road ?
The Metro is on a side road off of regent street. Along a one way system. Pain to get in there because cars are parked there so you have to keep going around, getting stuck in traffic as there is nowhere to park.
I think you need to work for some more organised people if you keep having problems like this. I’ve done central London for Tesco, Iceland, Sainsbury’s, DTS, Arla, M&S (Gist) of those I can remember, and I never had any issues really