Bulmers teeside have just finished all the drivers

Carryfast:

repton:

newmercman:
he had a good business model

Surely going under twice kind of proves he didn’t.

Paul

In an ideal world newmercman would have been right but as I’ve been trying to tell him it’s not an ideal world and trying to compensate,for an uneconomically high cost operation,with high rates,is commercial suicide. :open_mouth:

But if it’s another example of failed payment causing liquidation why did’nt they use factoring with payment cover for every invoice instead of relying on trust and luck :question: .

Probably because factoring companies take approx 5% of your turnover, and accept no liability for bad debts?

Silver_Surfer:
Supposedly Bulmers went bust this time because a customer didn’t pay him then rather than him mis-managing it this time although I would say it is his responsibility to credit check his customers regularly and not take on work if there is any doubt.

How often is regulary, weekly, monthly, 3 monthly?
More often than not the haulier is gonna be paid 90 days after the jobs been done, thats alot to stump up if your customer goes bump tomorrow.

FH16Globetrotter:

repton:

newmercman:
he had a good business model

Surely going under twice kind of proves he didn’t.

Paul

Come on Paul, that proves nothing!

At this point in time, I will bet that not one poster in this forum has any idea whatsoever WHY Bulmers have gone under again. We’ve got a couple of people throwing around a few MMTM type stories, but we all know that plenty of truckers are pathalogical liars (sit in any RDC waiting room and you WILL get proof of that!), and some are just fantasists at best! Hence, it’s fair to assume that a reasonable portion of what you get told by a bunch of truckers will be pure [zb] .

It’s entirely possible that Bulmers have gone bust through blatant mismanagement. It is also quite possible that they had a good profitable business model, and that due to the failure of a key customer they have been left in a cash-flow situation that they cannot rectify.

If your biggest customer went bust tommorow and failed to pay what they owe you currently, could your business survive? The reality of 90-day payment terms (and if you can get Asda, Tesco or most other big firms to pay in any less you’re bucking the trend) means that you can have a lot of ‘risk’ sitting on the balance sheet despite having an otherwise healthy business!

I’m not saying Jonathan Bulmer is businessman of the year … but I’ll wait until I know some real facts before I start ripping the guy apart on a public forum, especially a guy who incidentally ran a profitable business for many years before his recent troubles!

January 2009

The global downturn has claimed its first high-profile victim of the new year, with Teesside container operator Bulmers Logistics forced into a ‘pre-pack’ administration, with a new company, Bulmers Transport — formed by the previous management team — taking over its “trade and assets” for an undisclosed sum.

Bulmers Logistics had been under pressure for some time, with the company hit badly by the fall in container volumes. It had already shed some 50 jobs before Christmas in a bid to cut costs, however, when its funder declined to provide continuing support, the firm was left with little option but to consider either a sale or administration. It eventually entered administration at 1600hrs on 21 January, with the assets sold five minutes later.

Although the company will be making some 50 staff redundant, cutting its fleet by 40 trucks and closing its Hull and Immingham offices, it saves more than 200 jobs, which will transfer to the new firm under TUPE. In addition, it says it will continue to service all its current locations directed from its Middlesbrough or Ipswich offices.

The managing director of Bulmers Transport, Jonathan Bulmer, says: “I am extremely pleased to be able to offer a secure future to the majority of our customers, staff and suppliers.”

Director Andrew Spence-Wolrich says that the move is not without pain for some of its creditors, but insists that this was the best possible outcome. He adds: “Jonathan Bulmer has invested a large amount of money in this. The reason he’s done that is because he’s a fighter and he doesn’t want to give up on a business he’s been running for the past 17 years.

“There’s also a 100% belief in his people.”

As yet, there is no indication of the size of Bulmers Logistics’ debt or the eventual dividend to creditors.

February 2010

The fall-and-rise-again of Bulmers Logistics - reborn as Bulmers Transport - last year is pretty well documented. However, Johnathan Bulmer has stayed resolutely silent about how the new operation is performing, feeling, probably rightly, that speaking about it was only likely to inflame passions again.

That said, a quick chat at the Asda carrier awards last night (where the company was handed the Container Carrier of the Year title) gave some indication as to how the business is going.

The long and short of it is that it’s turned a profit in its first year - more or less. There will be some exceptional items carried over - notably £140,000-odd of redundancy payments relating to the administration - but it is now trading within its means.

Bulmer himself says he has “learned some important lessons” over the past 12 months which hopefully augers well for the future. Apparently it’s even started back-loading containers where possible which sounds like a first to me.

Another hard lesson has been the valiue of a company when its in administration (lest we forget he paid a whole pound for Bulmers Logistics - with a bunch of other costs obviously). It has already looked at making on acquisition - trying to pick up the business and assets of N Irving in Morpeth when that went under but decided not to “as we couldn’t keep the thing together”. Now Bulmer says there is another acquisition being lined up which is “75% of the way there”. Apparently it’s outside of its Teesside heartland but didn’t reveal any more details. Watch this space.*

February 2011

*Bulmers Transport Fails Again :open_mouth:

renaultman:
Probably because factoring companies take approx 5% of your turnover, and accept no liability for bad debts?

Yes, there is a common misconception that factoring companies take on the financial risk but as I understand it they don’t.

Wheel Nut:
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January 2009

The global downturn has claimed its first high-profile victim of the new year, with Teesside container operator Bulmers Logistics forced into a ‘pre-pack’ administration, with a new company, Bulmers Transport — formed by the previous management team — taking over its “trade and assets” for an undisclosed sum.

Bulmers Logistics had been under pressure for some time, with the company hit badly by the fall in container volumes. It had already shed some 50 jobs before Christmas in a bid to cut costs, however, when its funder declined to provide continuing support, the firm was left with little option but to consider either a sale or administration. It eventually entered administration at 1600hrs on 21 January, with the assets sold five minutes later.

Although the company will be making some 50 staff redundant, cutting its fleet by 40 trucks and closing its Hull and Immingham offices, it saves more than 200 jobs, which will transfer to the new firm under TUPE. In addition, it says it will continue to service all its current locations directed from its Middlesbrough or Ipswich offices.

The managing director of Bulmers Transport, Jonathan Bulmer, says: “I am extremely pleased to be able to offer a secure future to the majority of our customers, staff and suppliers.”

Director Andrew Spence-Wolrich says that the move is not without pain for some of its creditors, but insists that this was the best possible outcome. He adds: “Jonathan Bulmer has invested a large amount of money in this. The reason he’s done that is because he’s a fighter and he doesn’t want to give up on a business he’s been running for the past 17 years.

“There’s also a 100% belief in his people.”

As yet, there is no indication of the size of Bulmers Logistics’ debt or the eventual dividend to creditors.

February 2010

The fall-and-rise-again of Bulmers Logistics - reborn as Bulmers Transport - last year is pretty well documented. However, Johnathan Bulmer has stayed resolutely silent about how the new operation is performing, feeling, probably rightly, that speaking about it was only likely to inflame passions again.

That said, a quick chat at the Asda carrier awards last night (where the company was handed the Container Carrier of the Year title) gave some indication as to how the business is going.

The long and short of it is that it’s turned a profit in its first year - more or less. There will be some exceptional items carried over - notably £140,000-odd of redundancy payments relating to the administration - but it is now trading within its means.

Bulmer himself says he has “learned some important lessons” over the past 12 months which hopefully augers well for the future. Apparently it’s even started back-loading containers where possible which sounds like a first to me.

Another hard lesson has been the valiue of a company when its in administration (lest we forget he paid a whole pound for Bulmers Logistics - with a bunch of other costs obviously). It has already looked at making on acquisition - trying to pick up the business and assets of N Irving in Morpeth when that went under but decided not to “as we couldn’t keep the thing together”. Now Bulmer says there is another acquisition being lined up which is “75% of the way there”. Apparently it’s outside of its Teesside heartland but didn’t reveal any more details. Watch this space.*

February 2011

*Bulmers Transport Fails Again :open_mouth:

I’m not sure what your point is WheelNut. Everything you have quoted relates to the previous administration of Bulmers, not the current situation.

Harry Monk:

renaultman:
Probably because factoring companies take approx 5% of your turnover, and accept no liability for bad debts?

Yes, there is a common misconception that factoring companies take on the financial risk but as I understand it they don’t.

Quite right Harry & Renaultman, factoring is not an insurance against default as they just have the money back off you. Invoice insurance against non payment is a whole different kettle of fish altogether but something I would definately have if I was dealing with the types of customer that Mr. Bulmer was dealing with. If it is proven that a defaulting customer was the cause of his demise which it hasn’t been yet then I will bet that he is now wishing it is something he had thought about and had in place.

FH16Globetrotter:

repton:

newmercman:
he had a good business model

Surely going under twice kind of proves he didn’t.

Paul

Come on Paul, that proves nothing!

At this point in time, I will bet that not one poster in this forum has any idea whatsoever WHY Bulmers have gone under again. We’ve got a couple of people throwing around a few MMTM type stories, but we all know that plenty of truckers are pathalogical liars (sit in any RDC waiting room and you WILL get proof of that!), and some are just fantasists at best! Hence, it’s fair to assume that a reasonable portion of what you get told by a bunch of truckers will be pure [zb] .

It’s entirely possible that Bulmers have gone bust through blatant mismanagement. It is also quite possible that they had a good profitable business model, and that due to the failure of a key customer they have been left in a cash-flow situation that they cannot rectify.

His reputation in the North East stinks he took a lot of O/D’s and small hauliers down with last time and has probablly done it again. Good riddance to him. I hope vosa do something to stop him restarting once again,but I won’t hold my breath!!! Kevmac47
If your biggest customer went bust tommorow and failed to pay what they owe you currently, could your business survive? The reality of 90-day payment terms (and if you can get Asda, Tesco or most other big firms to pay in any less you’re bucking the trend) means that you can have a lot of ‘risk’ sitting on the balance sheet despite having an otherwise healthy business!

I’m not saying Jonathan Bulmer is businessman of the year … but I’ll wait until I know some real facts before I start ripping the guy apart on a public forum, especially a guy who incidentally ran a profitable business for many years before his recent troubles!

Silver_Surfer:

Harry Monk:

renaultman:
Probably because factoring companies take approx 5% of your turnover, and accept no liability for bad debts?

Yes, there is a common misconception that factoring companies take on the financial risk but as I understand it they don’t.

Quite right Harry & Renaultman, factoring is not an insurance against default as they just have the money back off you. Invoice insurance against non payment is a whole different kettle of fish altogether but something I would definately have if I was dealing with the types of customer that Mr. Bulmer was dealing with. If it is proven that a defaulting customer was the cause of his demise which it hasn’t been yet then I will bet that he is now wishing it is something he had thought about and had in place.

that’s providing he could still make a profit. a previous company (not a haulage company, but ran 2 trucks) i worked for was charged 10% for factoring. with small margins it’ll become a case of can you afford to use factoring? or can you afford not to use factoring?

stevie

FH16Globetrotter:
I’m not sure what your point is WheelNut. Everything you have quoted relates to the previous administration of Bulmers, not the current situation.

My point relates to the latest story, that they were planning a new acquisition which was 75% complete only 12 months ago which was the “New” company.

In the local papers tonight there is an short article asking current drivers to contact the news desk: Why do you think that is?

WOULD any drivers employed by Bulmers in Middlesbrough contact the newsdesk on 01325-505065 or email newsdesk@nne.co.uk. Please leave contact details.

A customer DID go bump on him for six figures. That is a fact im sure you will read about next week.

Good Business model?

Profitable?

Work worth doing?

I’m sure there will be plenty of speculation on the above

From reading general posts on TNUK, and from listening to colleagues, I’m amazed at the number of people who are owed £x by an employer, yet carry on working despite promises of payment over and over. I’ve worked with plant ops who worked for 3 or 4 months constantly being told “the money’s coming” then the company goes ■■■■ up and employee gets nothing. If my wages failed to go into the bank Friday night (paid weekly) the lorry wont be moving on Monday (or until the money moves).

FH16Globetrotter:
If your biggest customer went bust tommorow and failed to pay what they owe you currently, could your business survive?

but i’ve always said that if you put yourself in such a situation, you HAVEN’T GOT a healthy business anyway - bad or simply naive business practice that is :bulb:

it’s the drivers i feel for. i really do hope they have luck finding new jobs.
i work out of teesport (not for bulmers mind) and was told last week that one of their major customers had gone bang. i can picture their tanks but can’t remember their name, not that i’d put it on here anyway.
to be honest the whole saga surrounding this company stinks to high heaven. the people most affected are always those at the bottom of the pile.

My tuppence worth; my old lady was their house cleaner til 3wks ago when they let her go due to cut-backs,My parents live in the same village and talk in the yocal boozer is that Bulmers owe a large amount of money to a dutch company,dont know how much truth there is in that like.
I feel sorry for the drivers its happened yet again,and Jonathon probably away on his hols somewhere.

the company that went bust was bulk concept owed bulmers three quarters of amillion ward brothers have took over 45 trucks of bulmers through the leasin company and have got some of the work the yard was sold to bertshi 6 months ago.herd the drivers at hull could apply for the jobs back but who was runnin it i dont no may be AR BULMER who name was on the fuel cards time will tell

I say fair play to Bulmers for having a go. It doesn’t take much financially to finish you, ok he was hit hard first time and tried again. Not sure why we would knock people for having a go at trying to keep a business going and people in work. Anyone working for them second time round must of known the history unless they lived on Pluto. They tried and failed, and gave people jobs while they tried again. Its not a hanging crime sureley?

Mike-C:
I say fair play to Bulmers for having a go. It doesn’t take much financially to finish you, ok he was hit hard first time and tried again. Not sure why we would knock people for having a go at trying to keep a business going and people in work. Anyone working for them second time round must of known the history unless they lived on Pluto. They tried and failed, and gave people jobs while they tried again. Its not a hanging crime sureley?

As long as the previous suppliers and drivers got paid Mike, no-one deserves to swing, but keeping an ear to the ground and checking out your customers may have helped. This took an internet search of 5 minutes to come up with Boonstra and Jan Willem Rietjens. Their business has already been discussed on a Dutch internet forum in 2009 and again in 2010.

03-02-2009
GIETEN - Transportbedrijf Boonstra in Gieten is dinsdagmorgen failliet verklaard. Boonstra was jarenlang actief in het wegtransport met vervoer van droge bulkgoederen, waaronder kunststof-korrels en zetmeel. Het bedrijf had al een tijd problemen, maar de kredietcrisis zou de nekslag hebben gegeven. Bij Boonstra werken 38 personeelsleden, waaronder 24 chauffeurs, maar een deel kan mogelijk aan de slag bij BulkConcept, het zusterbedrijf van Boonstra in Gieten.

Jan Willem Rietjens nam in 2003 samen met zijn partner Paul Molenaar Expeditie Boonstra Gieten BV over. Het duo was een jaar eerder met BulkConcept, een logistieke dienstverlener op het gebied van containertransport (droge bulk) in de Betuwe gestart. Rietjens bestiert vanuit Gieten de algemene zaken, terwijl Molenaar vanuit de Rijnmond opereert en met name de commerciële zaken behartigt.

Door de overname van Boonstra kreeg BulkConcept de beschikking over een extra wagenpark met vijftig bulkeenheden, naast de 275 bulkcontainers die BulkConcept al had. In Gieten beschikt Boonstra over faciliteiten voor de op- en overslag van droge bulkgoederen, zo staan er negen grote voorraadsilo’s van 175 ton. Boonstra vervoerde vooral kunststofkorrels voor de auto-industrie, en die sector zit door de economische crisis ernstig in het slop. Daardoor was het werk bij het transportbedrijf de afgelopen maanden tot 10 procent gereduceerd.

Ook Transport Bakker Roden BV verkeert in problemen. Dit bedrijf heeft uitstel van betaling aangevraagd. Transportbedrijf Bakker in Roden is failliet. Het bedrijf, met 48 medewerkers, had eerder al surséance van betaling gekregen. Het meeste personeel wacht ontslag.

BulkConcept in Gieten failliet 25-01-2011
GIETEN - Het bedrijf BulkConcept BV in Gieten is dinsdag door de rechtbank failliet verklaard. Er werken elf mensen. BulkConcept is een zusterbedrijf van het twee jaar geleden failliet verklaarde Boonstra Transport in Gieten.

BulkConcept transporteerde - net als Boonstra - droge bulkgoederen, maar dat in vaste containers. Het gaat vooral om katalysator-stoffen, die gebruikt worden bij de oliewinning. Die werden in Gieten opgeslagen in negen grote voorraadsilo’s van voorheen Boonstra, welke complex werd gehuurd.

Jan Willem Rietjens en Paul Molenaar waren ooit in de Betuwe met BulkConcept begonnen. Ze namen in 2003 Expeditie Boonstra Gieten B.V over. Na het faillissement van Boonstra in Gieten ging een deel van de werknemers naar Boonstra Transport Haulerwijk. Dat nam in april 2009 zeven wagens en tien chauffeurs over. Vroeger hadden de bedrijven banden met elkaar.

I will leave the translation to a better man than me, as Google Translate may distort the thread

As I said, let us hope the fuel suppliers, the truck dealers, the local workforce and the drivers get paid this time. I find it interesting to keep an eye on the other side of the coin, this time in Holland especially as I have been involved in dry bulk transport since 1976

Harry Monk:

renaultman:
Probably because factoring companies take approx 5% of your turnover, and accept no liability for bad debts?

Yes, there is a common misconception that factoring companies take on the financial risk but as I understand it they don’t.

This ia an Amrican example but there’s no reason why the same non recourse facility can’t be provided here.Also a good reason not to grow a firm beyond mid size.

factorloads.com/truck-factor … oring.aspx

www.factorloads.com/freight-financing/n … oring.aspx

jj72:

FH16Globetrotter:
If your biggest customer went bust tommorow and failed to pay what they owe you currently, could your business survive?

but i’ve always said that if you put yourself in such a situation, you HAVEN’T GOT a healthy business anyway - bad or simply naive business practice that is :bulb:

Amen to that.

I only run 3 trucks, even I know that you should insure your invoices against non payment or if the company are non insurable, you don’t work for them. At the very least you should credit check them every 3 months particularly if they owe you £750k. Basic common sense. The only exception to this rule would be the likes of DHL, Wincanton, TNT and so on.

just been offered my old job back wait for it before i tell you how much dont fall about laughing 6 pounds 64p an hour for nights for the first 40 hrs then 8 pounds 50p after that ward bros from malton are taking over in the hull yard