This is not good for nobody, where are the Food inspectors and Trading Standards?
It proofs that there are gaps, have the cut-backs at Government organisations left us wide open to fraud, uncontrolled meat, and quick money making practices?
Are we at risk, who can we trust, is you local Butcher sound? Or does he buy now and then something what is not complete Kosher?
What is in the likes of spam, corned beef and luncheon meat?
I think this Government should give the public the trust in our daily food back, and enforce extreme controls on this!!
And yes by the way there is nothing wrong with a good piece of Horse meat; Poland and France and many other European and Asian countries breed special horses for the meat production.
They have as much to do with race horses as cows with the little show cows you see in Animal parks.
The meat get’s eaten in many countries around Europe, so many of the Euro drivers probably have eaten it before.
It’s a bit a stronger taste, but a good horse stew doesn’t go amiss.
Also if you ever have eaten proper Italian salami, you have certainly enjoyed the taste of Donkey meat.
It doesn’t kill you that are for sure.
Cheap food is cheap for a reason . Good beef is £3000 /ton according to figures I’ve seen , horse £700/ ton . There always someone willing to take a chance and save a pound or to .
I’d rather eat horse than sausages or sausage rolls .
When I was a baker I got so much grief from the Enviromental Health Officer think VOSA for the food trade.I tried to keep the place clean and tidy but they were never pleased.The horse traders will get away with it though.
maestro:
Super markets nail the prices to an absolute minimum for the suppliers, so they’re gona try and make savings where they can. And this is the result
caledoniandream:
It was the French, The Polish, even the Romanian or the even the traveling community (yes I mean the Caravan Utilizing Nomadic Travelers).
Was it [zb], sometimes it’s better not to point your finger to others, but first look at yourself.
This is not good for nobody, where are the Food inspectors and Trading Standards?
It proofs that there are gaps, have the cut-backs at Government organisations left us wide open to fraud, uncontrolled meat, and quick money making practices?
Are we at risk, who can we trust, is you local Butcher sound? Or does he buy now and then something what is not complete Kosher?
What is in the likes of spam, corned beef and luncheon meat?
I think this Government should give the public the trust in our daily food back, and enforce extreme controls on this!!
And yes by the way there is nothing wrong with a good piece of Horse meat; Poland and France and many other European and Asian countries breed special horses for the meat production.
They have as much to do with race horses as cows with the little show cows you see in Animal parks.
The meat get’s eaten in many countries around Europe, so many of the Euro drivers probably have eaten it before.
It’s a bit a stronger taste, but a good horse stew doesn’t go amiss.
Also if you ever have eaten proper Italian salami, you have certainly enjoyed the taste of Donkey meat.
It doesn’t kill you that are for sure.
No, but the real issue for me is that the animals being used aren’t necessarily bred for food so they can contain all sorts of antibiotics and other drugs which aren’t fit for human consumption - might not kill you but who knows?
Nothing wrong with a bit of horse though, just as long as it says ‘horse’ on the packet.
caledoniandream:
It was the French, The Polish, even the Romanian or the even the traveling community (yes I mean the Caravan Utilizing Nomadic Travelers).
Was it [zb], sometimes it’s better not to point your finger to others, but first look at yourself.
This is not good for nobody, where are the Food inspectors and Trading Standards?
It proofs that there are gaps, have the cut-backs at Government organisations left us wide open to fraud, uncontrolled meat, and quick money making practices?
Are we at risk, who can we trust, is you local Butcher sound? Or does he buy now and then something what is not complete Kosher?
What is in the likes of spam, corned beef and luncheon meat?
I think this Government should give the public the trust in our daily food back, and enforce extreme controls on this!!
And yes by the way there is nothing wrong with a good piece of Horse meat; Poland and France and many other European and Asian countries breed special horses for the meat production.
They have as much to do with race horses as cows with the little show cows you see in Animal parks.
The meat get’s eaten in many countries around Europe, so many of the Euro drivers probably have eaten it before.
It’s a bit a stronger taste, but a good horse stew doesn’t go amiss.
Also if you ever have eaten proper Italian salami, you have certainly enjoyed the taste of Donkey meat.
It doesn’t kill you that are for sure.
Why would anyone with any sense want to eat horses in a country which can produce the best beef in the world.If you prefer eating horse that’s your choice.The fact is the problem is that the meat industry can make more money by exporting our decent beef and feeding the domestic population zb horsemeat and describing it ( and pricing it ) as beef which at best should be used for petfood.Although I doubt if many people who ( rightly ) treat horses as intelligent working animals and/or pets would want to feed their dead horse ( which is/should be humanely killed by a vet not sent to a slaughter house for food ),to their pet dog.The fact is it’s just a symptom of the fact that this country is turning into an incivilised impoverished zb hole just like many others in Eastern Europe.Not forgetting that the historic consumption of horsemeat on the continent has it’s basis in famine and poverty there not choice.
caledoniandream:
It was the French, The Polish, even the Romanian or the even the traveling community (yes I mean the Caravan Utilizing Nomadic Travelers).
Was it [zb], sometimes it’s better not to point your finger to others, but first look at yourself.
This is not good for nobody, where are the Food inspectors and Trading Standards?
It proofs that there are gaps, have the cut-backs at Government organisations left us wide open to fraud, uncontrolled meat, and quick money making practices?
Are we at risk, who can we trust, is you local Butcher sound? Or does he buy now and then something what is not complete Kosher?
What is in the likes of spam, corned beef and luncheon meat?
I think this Government should give the public the trust in our daily food back, and enforce extreme controls on this!!
And yes by the way there is nothing wrong with a good piece of Horse meat; Poland and France and many other European and Asian countries breed special horses for the meat production.
They have as much to do with race horses as cows with the little show cows you see in Animal parks.
The meat get’s eaten in many countries around Europe, so many of the Euro drivers probably have eaten it before.
It’s a bit a stronger taste, but a good horse stew doesn’t go amiss.
Also if you ever have eaten proper Italian salami, you have certainly enjoyed the taste of Donkey meat.
It doesn’t kill you that are for sure.
Why would anyone with any sense want to eat horses in a country which can produce the best beef in the world.If you prefer eating horse that’s your choice.The fact is the problem is that the meat industry can make more money by exporting our decent beef and feeding the domestic population zb horsemeat and describing it ( and pricing it ) as beef which at best should be used for petfood.Although I doubt if many people who ( rightly ) treat horses as intelligent working animals and/or pets would want to feed their dead horse ( which is/should be humanely killed by a vet not sent to a slaughter house for food ),to their pet dog.The fact is it’s just a symptom of the fact that this country is turning into an incivilised impoverished zb hole just like many others in Eastern Europe.Not forgetting that the historic consumption of horsemeat on the continent has it’s basis in famine and poverty there not choice.
I have lived in the country all of my life,and if you saw what the cattle these days were fed on you wouldn’t say it is the best beef in the world.
Mixing chicken ■■■■ with molasses isn’t very hygienic and pumping animals full of steroids and growth hormones isn’t healthy for the food chain.
caledoniandream:
It was the French, The Polish, even the Romanian or the even the traveling community (yes I mean the Caravan Utilizing Nomadic Travelers).
Was it [zb], sometimes it’s better not to point your finger to others, but first look at yourself.
This is not good for nobody, where are the Food inspectors and Trading Standards?
It proofs that there are gaps, have the cut-backs at Government organisations left us wide open to fraud, uncontrolled meat, and quick money making practices?
Are we at risk, who can we trust, is you local Butcher sound? Or does he buy now and then something what is not complete Kosher?
What is in the likes of spam, corned beef and luncheon meat?
I think this Government should give the public the trust in our daily food back, and enforce extreme controls on this!!
And yes by the way there is nothing wrong with a good piece of Horse meat; Poland and France and many other European and Asian countries breed special horses for the meat production.
They have as much to do with race horses as cows with the little show cows you see in Animal parks.
The meat get’s eaten in many countries around Europe, so many of the Euro drivers probably have eaten it before.
It’s a bit a stronger taste, but a good horse stew doesn’t go amiss.
Also if you ever have eaten proper Italian salami, you have certainly enjoyed the taste of Donkey meat.
It doesn’t kill you that are for sure.
Why would anyone with any sense want to eat horses in a country which can produce the best beef in the world.If you prefer eating horse that’s your choice.The fact is the problem is that the meat industry can make more money by exporting our decent beef and feeding the domestic population zb horsemeat and describing it ( and pricing it ) as beef which at best should be used for petfood.Although I doubt if many people who ( rightly ) treat horses as intelligent working animals and/or pets would want to feed their dead horse ( which is/should be humanely killed by a vet not sent to a slaughter house for food ),to their pet dog.The fact is it’s just a symptom of the fact that this country is turning into an incivilised impoverished zb hole just like many others in Eastern Europe.Not forgetting that the historic consumption of horsemeat on the continent has it’s basis in famine and poverty there not choice.
I have lived in the country all of my life,and if you saw what the cattle these days were fed on you wouldn’t say it is the best beef in the world.
Mixing chicken [zb] with molasses isn’t very hygienic and pumping animals full of steroids and growth hormones isn’t healthy for the food chain.
Greedy farmers and retailers all trying to make more profit from each animal .IE the same something for nothing culture as the zb’s flogging horse for beef prices.You can bet that a lot of those involved would be the first to shout about ‘benefit scroungers’ and ‘greedy’ unions.So what’s wrong with just using a good old fashioned breed of prize beef breed fed on good old fashioned grass.Which is probably why we’ve got unused fields around here with good quality grass but no cattle grazing on them.More likely developers hoping to build on them instead.
Greedy farmers and retailers all trying to make more profit from each animal
I dont think its greedy farmers, its more the greedy super markets screwing the farmers down to a price. Look at the milk prices, farmers are doin that for near nothing
caledoniandream:
It was the French, The Polish, even the Romanian or the even the traveling community (yes I mean the Caravan Utilizing Nomadic Travelers).
Was it [zb], sometimes it’s better not to point your finger to others, but first look at yourself.
This is not good for nobody, where are the Food inspectors and Trading Standards?
It proofs that there are gaps, have the cut-backs at Government organisations left us wide open to fraud, uncontrolled meat, and quick money making practices?
Are we at risk, who can we trust, is you local Butcher sound? Or does he buy now and then something what is not complete Kosher?
What is in the likes of spam, corned beef and luncheon meat?
I think this Government should give the public the trust in our daily food back, and enforce extreme controls on this!!
And yes by the way there is nothing wrong with a good piece of Horse meat; Poland and France and many other European and Asian countries breed special horses for the meat production.
They have as much to do with race horses as cows with the little show cows you see in Animal parks.
The meat get’s eaten in many countries around Europe, so many of the Euro drivers probably have eaten it before.
It’s a bit a stronger taste, but a good horse stew doesn’t go amiss.
Also if you ever have eaten proper Italian salami, you have certainly enjoyed the taste of Donkey meat.
It doesn’t kill you that are for sure.
Why would anyone with any sense want to eat horses in a country which can produce the best beef in the world.If you prefer eating horse that’s your choice.The fact is the problem is that the meat industry can make more money by exporting our decent beef and feeding the domestic population zb horsemeat and describing it ( and pricing it ) as beef which at best should be used for petfood.Although I doubt if many people who ( rightly ) treat horses as intelligent working animals and/or pets would want to feed their dead horse ( which is/should be humanely killed by a vet not sent to a slaughter house for food ),to their pet dog.The fact is it’s just a symptom of the fact that this country is turning into an incivilised impoverished zb hole just like many others in Eastern Europe.Not forgetting that the historic consumption of horsemeat on the continent has it’s basis in famine and poverty there not choice.
I have lived in the country all of my life,and if you saw what the cattle these days were fed on you wouldn’t say it is the best beef in the world.
Mixing chicken [zb] with molasses isn’t very hygienic and pumping animals full of steroids and growth hormones isn’t healthy for the food chain.
Greedy farmers and retailers all trying to make more profit from each animal .IE the same something for nothing culture as the zb’s flogging horse for beef prices.You can bet that a lot of those involved would be the first to shout about ‘benefit scroungers’ and ‘greedy’ unions.So what’s wrong with just using a good old fashioned breed of prize beef breed fed on good old fashioned grass.Which is probably why we’ve got unused fields around here with good quality grass but no cattle grazing on them.More likely developers hoping to build on them instead.
Its all about intensive farming now.The good old fashioned grass has been ploughed up,with faster growing hybrid mixed grass seed sown which has to be replaced ever three years.The cattle are raised in big sheds and never see a proper grass field,just fed and fattened on silage and other crap.
caledoniandream:
It was the French, The Polish, even the Romanian or the even the traveling community (yes I mean the Caravan Utilizing Nomadic Travelers).
Was it [zb], sometimes it’s better not to point your finger to others, but first look at yourself.
This is not good for nobody, where are the Food inspectors and Trading Standards?
It proofs that there are gaps, have the cut-backs at Government organisations left us wide open to fraud, uncontrolled meat, and quick money making practices?
Are we at risk, who can we trust, is you local Butcher sound? Or does he buy now and then something what is not complete Kosher?
What is in the likes of spam, corned beef and luncheon meat?
I think this Government should give the public the trust in our daily food back, and enforce extreme controls on this!!
And yes by the way there is nothing wrong with a good piece of Horse meat; Poland and France and many other European and Asian countries breed special horses for the meat production.
They have as much to do with race horses as cows with the little show cows you see in Animal parks.
The meat get’s eaten in many countries around Europe, so many of the Euro drivers probably have eaten it before.
It’s a bit a stronger taste, but a good horse stew doesn’t go amiss.
Also if you ever have eaten proper Italian salami, you have certainly enjoyed the taste of Donkey meat.
It doesn’t kill you that are for sure.
Why would anyone with any sense want to eat horses in a country which can produce the best beef in the world.If you prefer eating horse that’s your choice.The fact is the problem is that the meat industry can make more money by exporting our decent beef and feeding the domestic population zb horsemeat and describing it ( and pricing it ) as beef which at best should be used for petfood.Although I doubt if many people who ( rightly ) treat horses as intelligent working animals and/or pets would want to feed their dead horse ( which is/should be humanely killed by a vet not sent to a slaughter house for food ),to their pet dog.The fact is it’s just a symptom of the fact that this country is turning into an incivilised impoverished zb hole just like many others in Eastern Europe.Not forgetting that the historic consumption of horsemeat on the continent has it’s basis in famine and poverty there not choice.
I have lived in the country all of my life,and if you saw what the cattle these days were fed on you wouldn’t say it is the best beef in the world.
Mixing chicken [zb] with molasses isn’t very hygienic and pumping animals full of steroids and growth hormones isn’t healthy for the food chain.
Greedy farmers and retailers all trying to make more profit from each animal .IE the same something for nothing culture as the zb’s flogging horse for beef prices.You can bet that a lot of those involved would be the first to shout about ‘benefit scroungers’ and ‘greedy’ unions.So what’s wrong with just using a good old fashioned breed of prize beef breed fed on good old fashioned grass.Which is probably why we’ve got unused fields around here with good quality grass but no cattle grazing on them.More likely developers hoping to build on them instead.
Its all about intensive farming now.The good old fashioned grass has been ploughed up,with faster growing hybrid mixed grass seed sown which has to be replaced ever three years.The cattle are raised in big sheds and never see a proper grass field,just fed and fattened on silage and other crap.
That’s a bit of a generalisation.The big question is why are we importing dodgy meat supplies from Eastern Europe etc etc and/or resorting to such zb food production standards here when there are plenty of examples that prove that it’s no problem to rear beef properly often on a local basis.
While we’ve got good beef producing land sitting unused.
However the problem of imported or domestic beef/horse scamming and zb standards of beef production is all about the conflicting demands for ever more profit at every stage of the production chain combined with ever downward pressure on customer wage levels in real terms to pay for it in addition to what seems like an obvious criminal motive in some cases.
But it’s difficult to believe that such a scam doesn’t run from top to bottom considering the requirements of BSE control regs which mean that all beef products need to be identifiable from point of retail back to farm and why would any horse slaughtering/cutting operation allowed to be mixed with a beef slaughter/cutting one on the same site considering the possibility for fraud which such an operation would provide.In addition to which why do we need a horse slaughtering operation in a country that doesn’t generally view horses as food.
While the European mainland is obviously capable of looking after itself if it really must act like a load of starving peasants by eating horses instead of just treating them as the intelligent working animals or pets that they are and treating them as such at the end of their lives.In which case banning horse slaughter and horsemeat exports from uk,which can obviously lead to scamming opportunities here on the domestic market,can only be a good thing.
commonrail:
ill eat anything(apart from insects)but i dont want to pay for beef and get served horse
When you are only paying a pound to feed two people you are not paying for beef!
But it helps the government to rig the inflation figures ( IE the real value of wages ) if they brand horse meat as beef and then flog it at horsemeat prices.
Apparently horse meat is Ok for you, but if you eat too much it gives you the trots, what is it that other guy says on here, " I’ll get my coat"
You want to think your self lucky, god knows whats in our meat over here LOL
caledoniandream:
It was the French, The Polish, even the Romanian or the even the traveling community (yes I mean the Caravan Utilizing Nomadic Travelers).
Was it [zb], sometimes it’s better not to point your finger to others, but first look at yourself.
This is not good for nobody, where are the Food inspectors and Trading Standards?
It proofs that there are gaps, have the cut-backs at Government organisations left us wide open to fraud, uncontrolled meat, and quick money making practices?
Are we at risk, who can we trust, is you local Butcher sound? Or does he buy now and then something what is not complete Kosher?
What is in the likes of spam, corned beef and luncheon meat?
I think this Government should give the public the trust in our daily food back, and enforce extreme controls on this!!
And yes by the way there is nothing wrong with a good piece of Horse meat; Poland and France and many other European and Asian countries breed special horses for the meat production.
They have as much to do with race horses as cows with the little show cows you see in Animal parks.
The meat get’s eaten in many countries around Europe, so many of the Euro drivers probably have eaten it before.
It’s a bit a stronger taste, but a good horse stew doesn’t go amiss.
Also if you ever have eaten proper Italian salami, you have certainly enjoyed the taste of Donkey meat.
It doesn’t kill you that are for sure.
Why would anyone with any sense want to eat horses in a country which can produce the best beef in the world.If you prefer eating horse that’s your choice.The fact is the problem is that the meat industry can make more money by exporting our decent beef and feeding the domestic population zb horsemeat and describing it ( and pricing it ) as beef which at best should be used for petfood.Although I doubt if many people who ( rightly ) treat horses as intelligent working animals and/or pets would want to feed their dead horse ( which is/should be humanely killed by a vet not sent to a slaughter house for food ),to their pet dog.The fact is it’s just a symptom of the fact that this country is turning into an incivilised impoverished zb hole just like many others in Eastern Europe.Not forgetting that the historic consumption of horsemeat on the continent has it’s basis in famine and poverty there not choice.
I have lived in the country all of my life,and if you saw what the cattle these days were fed on you wouldn’t say it is the best beef in the world.
Mixing chicken [zb] with molasses isn’t very hygienic and pumping animals full of steroids and growth hormones isn’t healthy for the food chain.
Greedy farmers and retailers all trying to make more profit from each animal .IE the same something for nothing culture as the zb’s flogging horse for beef prices.You can bet that a lot of those involved would be the first to shout about ‘benefit scroungers’ and ‘greedy’ unions.So what’s wrong with just using a good old fashioned breed of prize beef breed fed on good old fashioned grass.Which is probably why we’ve got unused fields around here with good quality grass but no cattle grazing on them.More likely developers hoping to build on them instead.
Its all about intensive farming now.The good old fashioned grass has been ploughed up,with faster growing hybrid mixed grass seed sown which has to be replaced ever three years.The cattle are raised in big sheds and never see a proper grass field,just fed and fattened on silage and other crap.
That’s a bit of a generalisation.The big question is why are we importing dodgy meat supplies from Eastern Europe etc etc and/or resorting to such zb food production standards here when there are plenty of examples that prove that it’s no problem to rear beef properly often on a local basis.
While we’ve got good beef producing land sitting unused.
However the problem of imported or domestic beef/horse scamming and zb standards of beef production is all about the conflicting demands for ever more profit at every stage of the production chain combined with ever downward pressure on customer wage levels in real terms to pay for it in addition to what seems like an obvious criminal motive in some cases.
But it’s difficult to believe that such a scam doesn’t run from top to bottom considering the requirements of BSE control regs which mean that all beef products need to be identifiable from point of retail back to farm and why would any horse slaughtering/cutting operation allowed to be mixed with a beef slaughter/cutting one on the same site considering the possibility for fraud which such an operation would provide.In addition to which why do we need a horse slaughtering operation in a country that doesn’t generally view horses as food.
While the European mainland is obviously capable of looking after itself if it really must act like a load of starving peasants by eating horses instead of just treating them as the intelligent working animals or pets that they are and treating them as such at the end of their lives.In which case banning horse slaughter and horsemeat exports from uk,which can obviously lead to scamming opportunities here on the domestic market,can only be a good thing.
The beef producing land is now producing grass to be chopped off for silage.
maestro:
Super markets nail the prices to an absolute minimum for the suppliers, so they’re gona try and make savings where they can. And this is the result
This about nails it really. Im only surprised its taken this long for it to come to light.
An article in one of the red tops showed the trail of ownership from slaughter house to supermarket shelf and meat passed through a handful of traders and processing plants. Is it any wonder that somewhere down the line the traceability is lost or muddied in the relentless drive for low costs.
.IE the same something for nothing culture as the zb’s flogging horse for beef prices.You can bet that a lot of those involved would be the first to shout about ‘benefit scroungers’ and ‘greedy’ unions.So what’s wrong with just using a good old fashioned breed of prize beef breed fed on good old fashioned grass.Which is probably why we’ve got unused fields around here with good quality grass but no cattle grazing on them.More likely developers hoping to build on them instead. 
