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[franglais]

jakethesnake:
Serious question…what would be the best all encompassing face respiratory mask be if the s.h.t.f

Have you not heard? Some are selling masks at over inflated prices and lemmings are buying them. They obviously haven’t heard most masks do very little to help.
The masks that do help are also being snapped up by the lemmings who are denying the people that actually require them to help the situation.

If a cover a plastic Darth Vader mask with fake fur will that qualify as a lemming mask?

[the_maoster]

Franglais:

jakethesnake:
Serious question…what would be the best all encompassing face respiratory mask be if the s.h.t.f

Have you not heard? Some are selling masks at over inflated prices and lemmings are buying them. They obviously haven’t heard most masks do very little to help.
The masks that do help are also being snapped up by the lemmings who are denying the people that actually require them to help the situation.

If a cover a plastic Darth Vader mask with fake fur will that qualify as a lemming mask?

It’s almost tempting to retrain as a combination double glazing ■■■ timeshare salesman. I’d make an absolute fortune from a market populated by folks like you who put the G in ullible.

[franglais]

the maoster:

Franglais:

jakethesnake:
Serious question…what would be the best all encompassing face respiratory mask be if the s.h.t.f

Have you not heard? Some are selling masks at over inflated prices and lemmings are buying them. They obviously haven’t heard most masks do very little to help.
The masks that do help are also being snapped up by the lemmings who are denying the people that actually require them to help the situation.

If a cover a plastic Darth Vader mask with fake fur will that qualify as a lemming mask?

It’s almost tempting to retrain as a combination double glazing ■■■ timeshare salesman. I’d make an absolute fortune from a market populated by folks like you who put the G in ullible.

Being so foolish, I invite you to explain where I’m going wrong?
Where have I been fooled?

[manalishi]

Well maybe a little paranoia could have its place.We do seem to have reached a place of ennui and tacit complacency in respect of,be it natural or engineered population depletion scenarios.Being on the Isle of Wight would be a major issue in terms of re supply should the s.h.t.f be it pandemic,energy/economic meltdown so its not overly tin hatted to lob a couple of tinned items into the shopping (which I’ve done for yonks) trolley to build a survival larder should this stuff occur at some point.
It doesn’t serve any purpose to throw invective at those prepared to think these things through.It doesn’t look good seeing the media narratives conspiring to throw derision at folks doing the natural stocking up best way they can.If nothing else this whole ■■■■ storm might have the useful effect of altering perceptions on a wider level so everyone could build a survival larder for around a years duratiom.Its how our ancestors rolled ffs.

[the_maoster]

Franglais:
Being so foolish, I invite you to explain where I’m going wrong?
Where have I been fooled?

I like you Franglais, I like your eloquent posts, but when you couple your obvious Devils advocate position to every single post with your glass half empty attitude it’s hardly surprising that your viewed as someone akin to the High Street nutter wearing a sandwich board telling us that the sky is falling in. You’ve spent the last three years warning us that we’re all gonna die of Brexit and now that that obviously hasn’t happened you’ve latched onto another drum to bang.

[winseer]

Franglais:

the maoster:

Franglais:

jakethesnake:
Serious question…what would be the best all encompassing face respiratory mask be if the s.h.t.f

Have you not heard? Some are selling masks at over inflated prices and lemmings are buying them. They obviously haven’t heard most masks do very little to help.
The masks that do help are also being snapped up by the lemmings who are denying the people that actually require them to help the situation.

If a cover a plastic Darth Vader mask with fake fur will that qualify as a lemming mask?

It’s almost tempting to retrain as a combination double glazing ■■■ timeshare salesman. I’d make an absolute fortune from a market populated by folks like you who put the G in ullible.

Being so foolish, I invite you to explain where I’m going wrong?
Where have I been fooled?

What’s happening at an international level?

…A rising tide of (now and becoming) disenfranchised lefties who’ll do anything to topple what they see as the “New Establishment” seen after more wins for the world’s Right about the planet in elections…

In this war - the initiative somehow has to be re-gained - using the usual tool of

“People are more likely to fall for a huge lie - than a small one”.

Meanwhile, don’t be dropping any litter - or the idol painted with atmosphere-damaging spray cans will get you!

[manalishi]

Winseer:

Franglais:

Harry Monk:
There have been 3,250 deaths from Corona virus in two months. Around the world 24,000 people die of starvation every single day. A sense of proportion is needed here I think.

24,000 people from a population of?
7,700,000,000…(April 2019)
Your mortality figure only applies to those already infected. 94,000. (Science Update site 03/03/2020)
You’re mixing up different figures relating to different sets.
.
COVID 19 has maybe a 1%…ish mortality rate accoring to the WHO.
80% may be a reasonable infection rate for a virus with no existing vaccines and no immunity from previous infections.
So, maybe you wanna do the maths with me? Let’s estimate it.
8 billion in the world.
(Call it 7.5 for ease)
80% is four fifths or 4 x 1.5 equals 6 billion.
1%, is (6,000,000,000) knock off two zeros.
60 million dead.
Seems a lot? It is.
Spanish Flu killed 15 or 50 million…from a world population a quarter of what it is today.
.
I’m not saying all is doom gloom and despair.
I do say don’t look at stupid figures comparing different mortality rates from dubious internet sources.
DON’T JUST BELIEVE ME!
Go on the www and look at the NHS and WHO and other reliable sources of info.
There is nonsense out there, but there is genuine good stuff too.
.

Not gonna happen. Borders would have been closed worldwide - if there had been any hint of this “Flu Outbreak” being anything similar to the one a century ago.
The question we should all really be asking is “Why fake something like this, at an international level at that?” Who benefits from the economic damage thus caused?

Hmm let’s pause a while for reflection…mayhaps those entities who brought down those scrapers Hudson side some time
ago?

[manalishi]

Very robust website called Darkmoon,worth a shufty appropo a coronavirus parallel with Bubonic plague development.Illuminating article 3 down.

[franglais]

the maoster:

Franglais:
Being so foolish, I invite you to explain where I’m going wrong?
Where have I been fooled?

I like you Franglais, I like your eloquent posts, but when you couple your obvious Devils advocate position to every single post with your glass half empty attitude it’s hardly surprising that your viewed as someone akin to the High Street nutter wearing a sandwich board telling us that the sky is falling in. You’ve spent the last three years warning us that we’re all gonna die of Brexit and now that that obviously hasn’t happened you’ve latched onto another drum to bang.

I like you too.
But not to be said in a ■■■■ Emery way!
I don’t have you down as a nutter, but I’d respect the choices of anyone who wishes to self identify as such.
.
Brexit? Without going off on one, it is still unclear what will happening there, and it’ll be a long time before anyone can credibly day it is a “good” or “bad” thing. Whatever that may mean.
.
Where am I saying the sky is falling in? I have said that the NHS and WHO sites are the ones to refer to.
Matt Hancock seems to have his finger on the pulse here. (sorry) Politically I may disagree with him, and his past actions but here he seems to be following the evidence led advice of the Chief Medical Officer.
If things look potentially bad, that is merely me relaying the words of others. Others with the proper data and the knowledge to interpret it. But since they don’t frequent this forum, if someone comes up with some dubious ideas, I see nothing wrong in challenging them.
I’m not the one with a sandwich board saying the world is at risk from this virus: the WHO the USA (apart from one unqualified ****) the UK, all of the EU, China Australia etc etc all say there is a problem here. It looks to me like there are a few who (why I dunno) don’t believe them.
But instead of saying “Well if everyone agrees therefore it to no one country’s advantage” choose to say " Well it must be a conspiracy involving all these opposites against the citizens of everywhere"!
And if there was any realistic chance of was a terrorist group from Islamist/Zionist/ Fundamental Christianity/Hindu/Whatever why isn’t someone making capital from it?
.
Stuff happens. Viruses mutate and cross species. It happens.
Those who need a reason for everything are gonna be disappointed. There’s no underlying scheme, conspiracy, or plan.
.
If you think I’ve been gulled, why?

[the_maoster]

Simply because you’re so so desperate to believe.

[franglais]

the maoster:
Simply because you’re so so desperate to believe.

That is easily reversible:
What of those given a credible story, from multiple sources, listened to by politicians of all sides, explained by experts with no financial axe to grind, who seem determined “so desperate” to disbelieve.
I find it easy to believe expert opinion based on corroborated evidence.

[jakethesnake]

I find it easy to believe expert opinion based on corroborated evidence.

And you are quite right to do so. This is a problem that is going to get a lot bigger for sure.

[the-snowman]

the old timer:
The debate about extra sick pay makes me laugh. Self employed are asking for extra benefits when they self quarantine but the reason they are self employed is to avoid paying N.I. and tax that pays for those benefits. Cant have it all ways

The biggest laugh is that you probably believe that to be true.

I guarantee you I’ve paid more tax this year alone than you’ve paid in the last 3 combined.

[tude]

The-Snowman:

the old timer:
The debate about extra sick pay makes me laugh. Self employed are asking for extra benefits when they self quarantine but the reason they are self employed is to avoid paying N.I. and tax that pays for those benefits. Cant have it all ways

The biggest laugh is that you probably believe that to be true.

I guarantee you I’ve paid more tax this year alone than you’ve paid in the last 3 combined.

NO, they wont believe you......I am doing R&D this year, purely because of the ungrateful sods that infest the UK and I am selling the business soon and the uptake in business through the panicking of the UK public and the Europeans is serving me well and increasing its worth, with more R&D expected.

I really cannot wait to be out of this place, the UK is not a very nice place to be living right now.

[winseer]

The-Snowman:

the old timer:
The debate about extra sick pay makes me laugh. Self employed are asking for extra benefits when they self quarantine but the reason they are self employed is to avoid paying N.I. and tax that pays for those benefits. Cant have it all ways

The biggest laugh is that you probably believe that to be true.

I guarantee you I’ve paid more tax this year alone than you’ve paid in the last 3 combined.

Either you’ve got a lousy accountant then, or you’re being a little over-generous in your own stock dividend to yourself as sole shareholder…?

[the-snowman]

Winseer:

The-Snowman:

the old timer:
The debate about extra sick pay makes me laugh. Self employed are asking for extra benefits when they self quarantine but the reason they are self employed is to avoid paying N.I. and tax that pays for those benefits. Cant have it all ways

The biggest laugh is that you probably believe that to be true.

I guarantee you I’ve paid more tax this year alone than you’ve paid in the last 3 combined.

Either you’ve got a lousy accountant then, or you’re being a little over-generous in your own stock dividend to yourself as sole shareholder…?

So let me get this right -
Im either avoiding paying NI and tax or I have a lousy accountant because I pay a lot?

Which is it?

[winseer]

Most people - pay themselves the minimium as to avoid paying tax on “sole sharholder dividends”…
Surely for self-employed people earning upto 100k - you’d be paying less tax than a PAYE on around half that gross wage?

PAYE taxpayers - don’t get any offsets whatsoever.
A Self-employed with a good accountant - will be able to claim via receipts even for things unrelated to the business - by the accountant making sure that the receipts ARE relevant to the business.

Thus, a Lousy Accountant or Non-minimalist self-dividend - ends up with you as a self-employed person paying more taxes than a PAYE person doing the same job.

…Otherwise, I reckon you’d need to be paid gross at least double - in order to be paying more tax than the equivalent PAYE taxpayer who cannot mask any of their taxes…

Either one of those - will do, - won’t it?

[the-snowman]

Thing is winseer, I don’t need to justify or explain why I pay high tax to you.
My point is that old timer accused self-employed people of cheating the taxman and then wanting protection to keep using the services they are trying to avoid paying for.
Im telling him, and you, that that isn’t the case.
My profit, dividends and wage are my business.
The issue I have is that my business is high profit, minimal expenditure and mostly online-based. It’s extremely difficult to get non-business related receipts to become relevant to claim tax relief on (I debated asking you to explain how that isn’t classed as cheating tax but I couldn’t be bothered)

My accountant is chartered. In the nicest possible way, I’ll trust that he is doing as much as he can to save me tax without breaking the law far more than I’ll trust you’re assessment that he’s lousy at his job just because my tax bill is high

[winseer]

The-Snowman:
Thing is winseer, I don’t need to justify or explain why I pay high tax to you.
My point is that old timer accused self-employed people of cheating the taxman and then wanting protection to keep using the services they are trying to avoid paying for.
Im telling him, and you, that that isn’t the case.
My profit, dividends and wage are my business.
The issue I have is that my business is high profit, minimal expenditure and mostly online-based. It’s extremely difficult to get non-business related receipts to become relevant to claim tax relief on (I debated asking you to explain how that isn’t classed as cheating tax but I couldn’t be bothered)

My accountant is chartered. In the nicest possible way, I’ll trust that he is doing as much as he can to save me tax without breaking the law far more than I’ll trust you’re assessment that he’s lousy at his job just because my tax bill is high

Of course you’re correct here… I was merely making an observation that you were somewhat off-piste compared to the usual crowd who’ll maximize their gross, and hide as much of it as possible from the taxman…

All credit to you that you choose a different approach…
If there were more about like you - I have no doubt that the next PM would be Keir Starmer indeed.

I reckon actually that we’re on the opposite side of the same coin here:

I pay full taxes, and resent that I don’t get what I pay for in return. My wife gets knocked back for benefits, despite the fact that as a household we’re quite hard-up. Having one fairly high earner - means little for any non-working member of the same household you see… If we’d had split up - she’d be getting a whole raft of benefits, so I dispute this thing commonly known as “Needy”… In my mind taxes should be used to pay for public services - rather than see the Tories cut public services whilst Labour cut benefits for those “not poor enough”…

Those wanting to “play the system” - then need only keep their lucrative business off the books, claim for anything and everything, and WASTE a lot of what they receive for free as well because they can.

I can hardly support anyone who wants to charge me even more - so I can get even less in the future…
If I were self-employed, I’d be paying myself minimum wage and a zero dividend unless and until my business is strong enough to make me actually wealthy, rather than merely tread water for the foreseeable future…

The entire reason I lean rather Left on capitalism - is because it hasn’t been allowed to work properly over the years.
Workers should get good pay and conditions - because Employers take your type of view, and are keen and eager to “put something back”…
It should not be necessary for “Unions” to thrash out even “Tread Water” pay settlements each and every year - shouldn’t it?
Likewise, “Supply and Demand” should set wage levels NOT “lies and deceit” aimed at the weak minded average worker who believes it when they get told “Sorry bud, times are 'ard, it’s this pay cut, or I lay you off” when the gaffer has just bought his third 4x4 in the last 5 years…

RICH people pretending to be POOR - are the filth of the Tories in my mind.
POOR people pretending to be RICH - are the indebted working class on the other hand…

Then there’s “Low Profile” rich, which I’d quite like to become, rather than “High Profile Poor” like seem to all want to become Momentum Activists these days…

You can’t tell me that Exctinction Rebellion would have anywhere near as many “Activists” - if it were not for the fact that Parents don’t help their kids to get gainful employment much any more these days, unlike the days of old when “Father’s Footsteps” was the norm…

You keep paying your taxes, I’ll keep paying mine - and hopefully someone in a position to make a real difference - will go out and do the obvious from the very beginning:

Give the taxpayer GREAT value for money ALL the time.

No one resents paying taxes except the filthy rich - if life is good meanwhile… The only reason the filthy rich are against taxes - is because they take their wealth for utter granted, thinking that “because they don’t gamble from day to day - they don’t risk ever losing that wealth”. Well times are coming where people like me will find a way of taking it from such - totally legally of course…

People like yourself meanwhile - need to be careful where you put your money for safe keeping, since it is people’s future earnings that are being openly plundered for establishment gain at this time, and has been for around a decade now.

Everyone’s pension returns - took a dive today… NOT from the high profile stockmarket sell-off- but from the way interest rates are being forced ever lower, which in turn erodes money saved faster than inflation erodes money borrowed. NOT good - if you thought you were not taking any chances.
If anything, I wonder if that is one of the motivations for this latest “Distraction” we have in the media…

If pensionable folk end up dying in droves, rather than trying to claim a pension that is no longer there, because it’s been looted already… What do younger people think?

“Oh that wasn’t the government’s fault”…
“Oh bad luck sir!”
“Oh glad it wasn’t me…”
“<Anything but what paid-for rights I’ll still have in 10-20 years time>”

[milesahead]

Noremac:
I see the Australians have been panic buying toilet roll. Must be [zb] themselves.

I was in Sainsburys yesterday, I can tell you, it’s not the Australians only…

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