Brexit

[tonyj105]

cav551:
Hauliers should be talking to their exporting customers about the route planned between collection and delivery points and using the environment and fuel resources arguments as a benefit to their customer to move away from the overused Dover and Cheriton option. It won’t work for all destinations but much greater use needs to be made of the longer sea crossings, this will benefit all since the lower volume through these two crossings will reduce delays at them.

i’m an exporting customer, i’m not particularly bothered which way it goes , give me a rate for the job , I’ll let you know if its any good and when its ready , then tell me when you can collect and what date you’ll deliver. crossing is up to you.

[wheel_nut]

And the BBC are saying that hauliers will have to buy foreign lorries to get more efficient and emission free engines, well they are not going to be buying, ERF, Foden, Leyland or Ford are they?

Still if it keeps the ERP happy

[wheel_nut]

edd1974:
My sister lives in northern Ireland
She been issued some kind of green card by her insurance I think. Free of charge.

So she can legally drive in southern island if she wants
Card was free as it stands she can drive there now legally. If brexit happens she has to carry her card .
God knows why

Anyone can ask their insurance company for a Green Card, it comes with a handy international accident statement, they are free unless you want to add a country that is not party to the system.

[franglais]

Capacity is really dockside space rather than boats or sailing slots isn’t ir?
There won’t likely be more loads moving, but if awaiting clearances parking will be short.
Dover has less parking area then twenty years ago, but has nearly two’n’half times the freight traffic.
Yes, we have Manston etc but are there similar areas earmarked elsewhere for other ports? Not much parking Newhaven or Pompey.

[mazzer2]

Franglais:
Capacity is really dockside space rather than boats or sailing slots isn’t ir?
There won’t likely be more loads moving, but if awaiting clearances parking will be short.
Dover has less parking area then twenty years ago, but has nearly two’n’half times the freight traffic.
Yes, we have Manston etc but are there similar areas earmarked elsewhere for other ports? Not much parking Newhaven or Pompey.

But the difference with the longer sailings is that you are booked onto a specific sailing so no booking no point turning up unlike Dover which is an open booking system and so harder to manage.

[franglais]

Mazzer2:

Franglais:
Capacity is really dockside space rather than boats or sailing slots isn’t ir?
There won’t likely be more loads moving, but if awaiting clearances parking will be short.
Dover has less parking area then twenty years ago, but has nearly two’n’half times the freight traffic.
Yes, we have Manston etc but are there similar areas earmarked elsewhere for other ports? Not much parking Newhaven or Pompey.

But the difference with the longer sailings is that you are booked onto a specific sailing so no booking no point turning up unlike Dover which is an open booking system and so harder to manage.

Fair comment.
But once the docks are full, unless they have overflow parking they too will jam. As you say with pre-bookings only should be easier to manage.

[winseer]

If the purpose of these “Public proclamations” - is to try and put people off at the last minute “We ain’t ready” - then how can it possibly succeed?

I reckon if we ceased all payments to the EU come October 31st, the EU will then take weeks and months trying to shut down the borders and single market access themselves - only to fail miserably, as the trade between the UK and EU continues as it did before - simply because “Freedom of Movement” will NOT be ready to be enforced by that date…

“The biggest black market/smuggler run in our lifetimes” - is about to open for business!

I don’t expect to see less Hungarian vehicles on our roads, not if Viktor Orban VETOES any extension to article 50 using the argument “An extension can only be granted for a general election/second referednum”

Hungary - will be at the “front of the queue” for a trade deal post-Brexit… To suggest that Waeberers “ain’t already Brexit ready with nobs on” - is a bit of an understatement, imo.

It would take longer than the 1st November-31st January “Extension Window” to set up ANY referendum, let alone one that no one wants except Remainers who have given their all into stopping Brexit, and have yet to give that simple thing - “Loser’s Consent” - to let us ALL move on with our lives at this point. Fingers Crossed - Orban carries out his threat, and we end up leaving with no deal which is a “crash” for the EU to be sure - but the UK? - Sajid Javid will have his work cut out - trying to spend all that mounting-up cash that we were sending to the EU each week - but now have suddenly ceased…

I’ve got a funny feeling that the “Bus” WAS wrong - but to the downside!

The actual “Brexit Dividend” - may well prove to be substantially higher, and truly a “Golden Goose” for whatever party is involved with completing Brexit.

Odd - that Labout and Libcondemn parties - STILL don’t want any part of it. Perhaps the Illiberal Undemocrats will have time to realize their mistake - or the voters will get them down to zippo seats faster than Brexit Party can stay there…

The next election - will likely see the 52% uniting behind Boris’ Conservatives, with Remain voters split between voting Libdem rather than Labour, SNP rather than Libdem, or Labour rather than SNP… Perhaps they’ll end up coming “2nd” in ALL seats, leaving Boris and Farage to mop up with small majorities all about the country? Here’s hoping…

[edd1974]

Mazzer2:

edd1974:
My sister lives in northern Ireland
She been issued some kind of green card by her insurance I think. Free of charge.

So she can legally drive in southern island if she wants
Card was free as it stands she can drive there now legally. If brexit happens she has to carry her card .
God knows why

Because without it after Brexit if there is no deal her insurance will be invalid in the Republic as will her driving licence unless she gets an international licence.

She has uk /gb licence.
My point is though as it stands she can legally drive into southern Ireland.

Once brexit happens she can’t. Unless she has this green card.
But my point really is the green card is free she never asked for one was sent out to her free of charge.
So if she goes into southern Ireland she has to carry it and is legal.

But if the cards free what’s the point in it ?all seems a pointless exercise to me

[mazzer2]

edd1974:

Mazzer2:

edd1974:
My sister lives in northern Ireland
She been issued some kind of green card by her insurance I think. Free of charge.

So she can legally drive in southern island if she wants
Card was free as it stands she can drive there now legally. If brexit happens she has to carry her card .
God knows why

Because without it after Brexit if there is no deal her insurance will be invalid in the Republic as will her driving licence unless she gets an international licence.

She has uk /gb licence.
My point is though as it stands she can legally drive into southern Ireland.

Once brexit happens she can’t. Unless she has this green card.
But my point really is the green card is free she never asked for one was sent out to her free of charge.
So if she goes into southern Ireland she has to carry it and is legal.

But if the cards free what’s the point in it ?all seems a pointless exercise to me

Because the current set up is under EU rules and once the UK leaves it will not be part of the agreement unless a deal is done, TBH I don’t see it being an issue unless you have an accident there will not be sufficient Gards to enforce the rule changes

[franglais]

Under current EU rules all member state’s car insurances, give basic cover in all other EU states.
When you take your car on holiday (into EU) you don’t need to do anything to keep legal. All singin’n’dancin cover is extra though.

[dieseldog999]

Because the current set up is under EU rules and once the UK leaves it will not be part of the agreement unless a deal is done, TBH I don’t see it being an issue unless you have an accident there will not be sufficient Gards to enforce the rule changes
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itl be the same as when they made a show about not letting l drivers drive after they fail their driving test.a big show of gards everywhere for a week or so,then nobody will give a toss.
there also is the fact that when your stopped in the south without a green card itl be…AHA…NO GREEN CARD.!!!..whatl we do now then? do you know brendan?/.what about you shamus?..thats none of us have a clue what the offence and procedure is…ask the driver and see if he knows>■■?no??,.ferfeksake paddy,tell him to haul ■■■ back up to dundalk and not to be coming in here again without one and causing us all this bother weve enough to be going on with here without all these prodestants givving us this hassle.

[whiplash]

dieseldog999:
Because the current set up is under EU rules and once the UK leaves it will not be part of the agreement unless a deal is done, TBH I don’t see it being an issue unless you have an accident there will not be sufficient Gards to enforce the rule changes

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
itl be the same as when they made a show about not letting l drivers drive after they fail their driving test.a big show of gards everywhere for a week or so,then nobody will give a toss.
there also is the fact that when your stopped in the south without a green card itl be…AHA…NO GREEN CARD.!!!..whatl we do now then? do you know brendan?/.what about you shamus?..thats none of us have a clue what the offence and procedure is…ask the driver and see if he knows>■■?no??,.ferfeksake paddy,tell him to haul ■■■ back up to dundalk and not to be coming in here again without one and causing us all this bother weve enough to be going on with here without all these prodestants givving us this hassle.
[/quote]

But you got to admit dd,
theres a lot to be said for that mindset!
As opposed to the mindset over the water,where 400 fluorescent jackets and 2.5 million cones will be produced,"motorway closed signs everywhere,traffic diverted,kittens killed and so on ad nauseum!
by the way,where did you see this big show of gards■■?

[beetlejuice]

robroy:

Darkside:
I think this £100 million on advertising would have been better spent when we had a date for leaving, and what the deal was. That way information may have been more specific.

You don’t think it’s all part of Boris Johnson’s (remainer) plan to make us think he wants to leave, and then when we don’t he can blame the EU and his fellow remainers?

If you reallly want to go down that route …, whether Boris is pro remain in his own mind or not is irrelevant , at least he is a rarity.
ie…An MP who is doing what he is paid for…representing the will of the electorate and the majority of the people who voted to leave, despite every form of delaying tactic by the (now embarrassingly boring) whinging remainer contingent.

Spot on.

[dieseldog999]

whiplash:

dieseldog999:
Because the current set up is under EU rules and once the UK leaves it will not be part of the agreement unless a deal is done, TBH I don’t see it being an issue unless you have an accident there will not be sufficient Gards to enforce the rule changes

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
itl be the same as when they made a show about not letting l drivers drive after they fail their driving test.a big show of gards everywhere for a week or so,then nobody will give a toss.
there also is the fact that when your stopped in the south without a green card itl be…AHA…NO GREEN CARD.!!!..whatl we do now then? do you know brendan?/.what about you shamus?..thats none of us have a clue what the offence and procedure is…ask the driver and see if he knows>■■?no??,.ferfeksake paddy,tell him to haul ■■■ back up to dundalk and not to be coming in here again without one and causing us all this bother weve enough to be going on with here without all these prodestants givving us this hassle.

But you got to admit dd,
theres a lot to be said for that mindset!
As opposed to the mindset over the water,where 400 fluorescent jackets and 2.5 million cones will be produced,"motorway closed signs everywhere,traffic diverted,kittens killed and so on ad nauseum!
by the way,where did you see this big show of gards■■?
[/quote]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if you remember several years ago due to the ee dragging eire kicking and screaming partly into the 21st century then although technically illegal,the normal course of action was to drive around on l plates unaccompanied whether you had passed,failed,or even sat your driving test with the only criteria was that you had to take your test within another 2 years.
assuming you failed that one,then you just sat it again 2 years later meaning there were masses of paddys driving for 10,20,30 years never having passed their test and nobody cared as the cars had no need for a mot either which was great all round.
they had to change that law to comply with eu rules and after 6 months notice,the big day arrived.
for the next couple of weeks,it was the norm to see garda at motorway junctions and at the airports and busy places going through the motions of policing the new rules before quickly losing interest and going back to normal.
even when they changed the mot rules,they didnt bother if it was a campervan as they remained exempt till years later.
id imagine possibly there would be the same token blitz at a couple of the big border crossings newry/dundalk and similar and poss at the airport where itl be easy to be stopped,but again,theres just as much chance of nobody giving a toss.

[mazzer2]

dieseldog999:

whiplash:

dieseldog999:
Because the current set up is under EU rules and once the UK leaves it will not be part of the agreement unless a deal is done, TBH I don’t see it being an issue unless you have an accident there will not be sufficient Gards to enforce the rule changes

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
itl be the same as when they made a show about not letting l drivers drive after they fail their driving test.a big show of gards everywhere for a week or so,then nobody will give a toss.
there also is the fact that when your stopped in the south without a green card itl be…AHA…NO GREEN CARD.!!!..whatl we do now then? do you know brendan?/.what about you shamus?..thats none of us have a clue what the offence and procedure is…ask the driver and see if he knows>■■?no??,.ferfeksake paddy,tell him to haul ■■■ back up to dundalk and not to be coming in here again without one and causing us all this bother weve enough to be going on with here without all these prodestants givving us this hassle.

But you got to admit dd,
theres a lot to be said for that mindset!
As opposed to the mindset over the water,where 400 fluorescent jackets and 2.5 million cones will be produced,"motorway closed signs everywhere,traffic diverted,kittens killed and so on ad nauseum!
by the way,where did you see this big show of gards■■?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if you remember several years ago due to the ee dragging eire kicking and screaming partly into the 21st century then although technically illegal,the normal course of action was to drive around on l plates unaccompanied whether you had passed,failed,or even sat your driving test with the only criteria was that you had to take your test within another 2 years.
assuming you failed that one,then you just sat it again 2 years later meaning there were masses of paddys driving for 10,20,30 years never having passed their test and nobody cared as the cars had no need for a mot either which was great all round.
they had to change that law to comply with eu rules and after 6 months notice,the big day arrived.
for the next couple of weeks,it was the norm to see garda at motorway junctions and at the airports and busy places going through the motions of policing the new rules before quickly losing interest and going back to normal.
even when they changed the mot rules,they didnt bother if it was a campervan as they remained exempt till years later.
id imagine possibly there would be the same token blitz at a couple of the big border crossings newry/dundalk and similar and poss at the airport where itl be easy to be stopped,but again,theres just as much chance of nobody giving a toss.
[/quote]

Bridgend will a good spot until the boys from Derry realise there’ll be a bit of good PR to be gained if a couple of potshots are taken and everyone can once again go about their business unhindered.

[dieseldog999]

back to normal and job done…

[winseer]

Beetlejuice:

robroy:

Darkside:
I think this £100 million on advertising would have been better spent when we had a date for leaving, and what the deal was. That way information may have been more specific.

You don’t think it’s all part of Boris Johnson’s (remainer) plan to make us think he wants to leave, and then when we don’t he can blame the EU and his fellow remainers?

If you reallly want to go down that route …, whether Boris is pro remain in his own mind or not is irrelevant , at least he is a rarity.
ie…An MP who is doing what he is paid for…representing the will of the electorate and the majority of the people who voted to leave, despite every form of delaying tactic by the (now embarrassingly boring) whinging remainer contingent.

Spot on.

If it turns out that Farage was correct all along - then you don’t think Brexiteers will be voting for Boris AFTER he’s faceplanted, be it his perceived fault - or not…

Tory “Born Again Brexiteers” like my local MPs ALL - can kiss goodbye to their seats under THAT scenario. The entire Conservative Party is at stake here: If Boris Johnson fails to deliver - he’ll crush the entire party, and let in either Brexit Party as a SENIOR coalition partner, OR his knobbling of Farage will have done enough damage already - that we end up with a remainer coaltiion about to tax-to-death anyone earning over minimum wages - That is most of US being taxed to death by Corbyn @ Co, his Libdem coailtion partners insisting on laws to outlaw any further talk of Brexit being revived at any point in the future, his Sinn Fein partners insisting on jail terms for all ex-service personnel, his SNP coalition partners insisting on IndyRef2, and the Tory Remainers all being utterly destroyed, including Grandeers like Bercow, Ken Clarke, and all the misfits who’ve already fled the party…

There IS a contingency in place for Boris turning out to be a “Remainer” then: It is that we self-destruct the UK (by shifting far LEFT) rather than bring down the EU so we can survice in this hemisphere that clearly ain’t big enough for two Empires any longer…

It’ll be interesting to see how moderate Labour voters swing - Remain voters as well as solid Leave supporters there. Will they back Farage to try and get a Labour/Brexit party coalition (not impossible, the way Farage has been talking against Boris of late…) OR will they just blindly back Corbyn, realizing that any coalition partner he needs to get the keys to number 10 - will mean he trashes the entire country as condition OF that coalition agreement. If Brexit dies - WE die with it, remainers included.

[dozy]

You - gov saying all polls are showing
Majority want to remain , no need
For peoples vote , we should just revoke

[dozy]

When house sits on sat 19 th the house is
Going to put through legislation through
That attaches a 2 nd referendum to any
Deal put before them ( being talked about
Now ) & they have the numbers to get it
Through .
So with the majority now wanting to remain
( poles saying so ) this bloody stupid
Idea will be over
Credit to the likes of Tony Blair , John major ,
Joanna cherry , Dominic grieve , John Bercow
For sense !!!

[winseer]

Revoking article 50 right now - would be as politically outrageous as taxing British-born PAYE workers 90% super tax.

Parliament - would likely reject such a proposal as being “too explosive” - but that won’t stop them from making such a vote to just “cancel Brexit” - very close indeed, and could be just days away from happening.

There’s no way we’re leaving with a deal as it stands, and Parliament won’t ever authorize a no-deal Brexit as it stands.

That a general election to “change the make-up of parliament” has ALSO been rejected - leaves us with just the one option:

Labour - reject Government for now (which they are doing are they not?)
The Tories get saddled with putting down the greatest revolt since Wat Tyler.
THEN a general election gets forced,
…and some reason will be found to make “Brexit Party” “not allowed to stand” in that election, perhaps because of a successful “brand Brexiteering a Terror offence” bill put through by a combination of Corbyn and Swinson as the “ruling opposition” they seem to have become already.

When the smoke clears, there will be No Brexit Party (now illegal) No Tories (voted out like the Whigs over a century ago)

Labour Remainers
or
Libdem Remainers

All loyal vassals to the EU superstate, which will quickly saddle the UK with a currency that can be deleted with impunity from one’s bank accounts - IF one does not toe the new world order line - using Social Scoring like China is already doing in their socialist superstate.

Even if nothing else happens to crush the UK as a free country - “All Brits becoming equally poor, easier to control utterly” - will push the choice upon most of us of “Death in the NHS concentration Camps” OR "Death by one’s own means - ie. Suicide.

There’s no middle-ground, once you’ve decided you cannot live under an oppressive rule, quietly, and keeping out of politics forever…
Everyone who’s resourceful enough, or “above average” in any way - will quit this failed contienent - whilst they can… WWIII will probably see it being nuked as part of the Eastern Bloc in any case, so we won’t have to wait too long for the end once it starts to come about - with the death of patriotism, Nationalisn, and self-pride.