OVLOV JAY:
The pound is fluctuating with every murmur, as it’s controlled by the very same money people who want to safeguard their lifestyles and stay in. Same happened with the erm, it happens every time there’s a general election, it happened before and after the vote, it’s happened with the announcement of a date for article 50, and it will sure as hell happen in march. It always levels back out, and will continue in the future. The money men are just playing a massive game of chicken with the government. Hoping to force a u turn. I was always one of the realist brexiteers. And still am. I know it’ll be tough for a good 5 years, but up to now, even with devaluation etc, I’ve not noticed a change in how far my money goes. I think life will always be hard for anyone lazy enough to want everything at a convenience. Book the whole holiday at Thomas Cook, do all the shopping in Tesco etc. If you’re thrifty with a pound, you’ll be ok. No buyers remorse here, and still the same optimism I had before the vote. It’s gonna be a long bumpy road, but the final destination will all be worth it
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And it doesn’t matter what the scaremongers say, on here or the ones in Europe, it’s all posturing at present and anyone who doesn’t see that is the real fool. Even if it does go Pete Tong in the short term, or take way longer than 5 years, I’d still choose Brexit and die fighting than be strangled by Europe slowly. Yes we are going to be facing some rough seas in the foreseeable future, but I think long term we will be the ones laughing when we eventually watch Europe sinking!
OVLOV JAY:
The pound is fluctuating with every murmur, as it’s controlled by the very same money people who want to safeguard their lifestyles and stay in. Same happened with the erm, it happens every time there’s a general election, it happened before and after the vote, it’s happened with the announcement of a date for article 50, and it will sure as hell happen in march. It always levels back out, and will continue in the future. The money men are just playing a massive game of chicken with the government. Hoping to force a u turn. I was always one of the realist brexiteers. And still am. I know it’ll be tough for a good 5 years, but up to now, even with devaluation etc, I’ve not noticed a change in how far my money goes. I think life will always be hard for anyone lazy enough to want everything at a convenience. Book the whole holiday at Thomas Cook, do all the shopping in Tesco etc. If you’re thrifty with a pound, you’ll be ok. No buyers remorse here, and still the same optimism I had before the vote. It’s gonna be a long bumpy road, but the final destination will all be worth it
Fluctuate a bit? It is at an 168 year low against the basket and 37 year low against the dollar, the currency market is a 5 trillion dollar market per DAY and you think that money men just push it down for the heck of it?
This drop against the dollar from 1.50 to 1.22 has caused trillions to flow out of the pound into the dollar. EVERY commodity in the world no matter where it is grown/found or dug up is priced in dollars and against the dollar we just dopped 20%, that makes everything we buy in pounds 20% more expensive in just 100 days… go think about that one a bit before you say it is just fluctuation, or just the money men…
You can’t just sell a pound, you need to exchange it for something else, in this case mostly dollars, so how would a money man profit from it? This is an escape from Armageddon, nobody with a right mind will want to hold pounds right now, that means there is no money flowing into the country, no investments.
Have a look at the M3 money supply and the Target2 data and you wont just brush it away as minor fluctuation and money men trying to enrich themselves.
Let me state it again, 168 year low, that is not fluctuation.
And while Juddian is out and about putting in spot appearances around the country, I’ll say a few words on his behalf…
Our recent ancestors suffered FAR FAR more than we ever could fighting an oppressive power, so if we have to suffer a little to retain our Independence, it will be nothing in comparison to what those brave people did for us. They gave us the Eaton Twin Splitter for God’s sake!
OVLOV JAY:
The pound is fluctuating with every murmur, as it’s controlled by the very same money people who want to safeguard their lifestyles and stay in. Same happened with the erm, it happens every time there’s a general election, it happened before and after the vote, it’s happened with the announcement of a date for article 50, and it will sure as hell happen in march. It always levels back out, and will continue in the future. The money men are just playing a massive game of chicken with the government. Hoping to force a u turn. I was always one of the realist brexiteers. And still am. I know it’ll be tough for a good 5 years, but up to now, even with devaluation etc, I’ve not noticed a change in how far my money goes. I think life will always be hard for anyone lazy enough to want everything at a convenience. Book the whole holiday at Thomas Cook, do all the shopping in Tesco etc. If you’re thrifty with a pound, you’ll be ok. No buyers remorse here, and still the same optimism I had before the vote. It’s gonna be a long bumpy road, but the final destination will all be worth it
Fluctuate a bit? It is at an 168 year low against the basket and 37 year low against the dollar, the currency market is a 5 trillion dollar market per DAY and you think that money men just push it down for the heck of it?
This drop against the dollar from 1.50 to 1.22 has caused trillions to flow out of the pound into the dollar. EVERY commodity in the world no matter where it is grown/found or dug up is priced in dollars and against the dollar we just dopped 20%, that makes everything we buy in pounds 20% more expensive in just 100 days… go think about that one a bit before you say it is just fluctuation, or just the money men…
You can’t just sell a pound, you need to exchange it for something else, in this case mostly dollars, so how would a money man profit from it? This is an escape from Armageddon, nobody with a right mind will want to hold pounds right now, that means there is no money flowing into the country, no investments.
Have a look at the M3 money supply and the Target2 data and you wont just brush it away as minor fluctuation and money men trying to enrich themselves.
Let me state it again, 168 year low, that is not fluctuation.
And in that 168 years it’s dropped from 5 to today’s value. Substantial drops since the 70’s. Maybe because the yank economy is stronger than ours and the eu It drops year on year, but fluctuates month to month. If it went from 1.49 to 1.22 in a day, I’d agree with you. But it’s taken almost 4 months to get there, oh, and it went back to 1.23 by close of business, so I’d say that’s fluctuated. And if you check back through the years, the exchange rate was well above 2 in 2007, and we’re all still here, eating well, driving nice cars, wearing nice clothes and enjoying nice holidays. Pretty sure the uk isn’t going to crumble into the sea anytime soon.
Albert1:
Brexit BBC2 has been killing this debate so much i wont listen after Ken Bruce.
Im glad we voted out but im sick to death of hearing whiners droning on about it.we do not and never did need the EU.
Total BS, you don’t even know your own history, where was UK economy before you join
So tell us Dolph how old were you and what do you know of living in the UK economy of that time.Remind us again of the value of the pound v the DM and Swiss Franc and US Dollar in 1969-70 for just one example.
As for BS it’s clear that we’re being subjected to an increasingly desperate pre planned agenda that amounts to economic sanctions for the ‘crime’ of secession. Just because that word holds too many inconvenient implications for every regime that relies on the undemocratic dictatorial Federal system of government whether it be China v Tibet or the US v Texas etc.
I prefer Bovril and chop up the bananas in the custard,does that make me a heretic i wonder,not allowed in the UK,banned from EU destined to live out my Days in the lands of the vikings.
wheelnutt:
Prices going up by 15-20%, hundreds of thousands of jobs lost, especially in transport, no payrise for a decade or more. If you can personally handle all of that then you will be OK.
More like lying remainers like Ken Clark using Brexit as a scapegoat to now show the true level of hidden inflation that we’ve not surprisingly been suffering with for decades as an EU member,bearing in mind the unsustainable trade deficit we’ve been trying to maintain with the EU not forgetting our net contributions for the privilege.On that note only the most fanatical Europhiles could believe that the way to fix that is more of the same EU zb.
It’s all just noise.
At the begining of the year,the world was going to end,due to the china slow down.
Nobody’s mentioned that since the referendum.
Then we had the steel crisis.
Is that over now?coz Nobody’s talkin about that either.
Collapse in oil price…due to over production?
Seems to be recovering quite nicely now.
Whilst ever the world population is growing…we’ll be reet.
Putins a different kettle of fish though
We are only just getting started, you just wait to see what happens once we trigger article 50.
Of course I am just scare mongering.
Project fear is now project reality, only just a little bit worse and that much faster.
Everything is going up in price and we haven’t left yet, you just imagine what is going to happen when we have to start paying import duties.
As for 168 years.An explanation as to it’s value over the last 10 years as an EU member state v its value in 1960-70 would be good.IE more remain campaign lies and bs in the hope of over turning a democratic decision which has already been made.
As for import duties yes just imagine it.Crashing sales of German imports in favour of domestically made products.Who is the loser in that.
We are only just getting started, you just wait to see what happens once we trigger article 50.
Of course I am just scare mongering.
Project fear is now project reality, only just a little bit worse and that much faster.
Everything is going up in price and we haven’t left yet, you just imagine what is going to happen when we have to start paying import duties.
As for 168 years.An explanation as to it’s value over the last 10 years as an EU member state v its value in 1960-70 would be good.IE more remain campaign lies and bs in the hope of over turning a democratic decision which has already been made.
As for import duties yes just imagine it.Crashing sales of German imports in favour of domestically made products.Who is the loser in that.
All this about the value of the pound, it was over inflated anyway , and thatcher saw to that , all the greedy pigs at the trough house prices through the roof, cars depreciate over time whilst bricks and mortar increase , that defies all logic, but it does put loads of money in the pockets of a few, and sweet F.A for the masses , time those tables got turned the elite scum need turning upside down from the bonce, and shaking vigorously until their wealth is distributed , as these are the very same who are tax avoiders/fraudsters who only gain from our country and give virtually nothing back,
Dolph:
Carryfast and Winseer were telling me 6 months ago that Germany or EU wouldn’t dare put tariffs on UK. No way EU will start a trade war with UK. Who’s gonna buy their BMW and Audi etc.
I said a few times on EU referendum threads that they would make things difficult for us with trade deals, only for carryfast to respond with the usual “feel free to explain” ramblings.
I know very little about politics but I live in the real world and even I saw the problems that were going to happen with a brexit vote but people like carryfast were too fixated on other issues to see it. They thought they had all the answers but only the most naive thought the rest of the EU would wish us well and be favourable with the exit terms
Firstly I never said that they would ‘wish us well’.The point is if they want a trade war just because we want to secede from their zb Federalist dream now why would you want to condemn future generations to that type of relationship.
So yes a trade war of secession now that we can only possibly win if we’ve got the bottle to see it through or possibly a shooting war of secession later.
Let me guess you’re one of those who isn’t up for the trade war that it will take and that we actually need and can only win.
The remoaners are all selfish, riding the golden goose for themselves instead of thinking about the country. All worried about keeping their cheap flights to Spain, although the low pound is good for tourism and exports. Self centred like their European masters they’ve been brainwashed to follow
Winseer:
If Tesco start organizing a political Boycott of Unilever stuff - that’s gonna bloody hurt Anglo Dutch Unilever a LOT more than it’ll hurt Tescos, who, like us - have the option of “buying elsewhere”.
Unilever’s HQ is in Switzerland, which is outside of the EU, through which it books purchases and sales to reduce tax liability. Unilever’s companies across the EU then pay heavy royalty fees into HQ, so as much profitability as possible is booked there and gets taxed at Swiss rates.
No wonder they wrote to all their UK workers before the referendum ordering them to vote remain.
Winseer:
For Remain to lose the referendum - and yet continue to snap at the heels of Brexit is a predictable symptom of such a narrow margin of victory for Brexit.
We must be careful here though. Brexit/Remainer has become such a divisive issue that if we’re not careful we’ll end up with that nightmare scenario of “One half against the other half” the ingredients for Civil War.
Ironically history shows that the Federalist v Nationalist argument ending up in civil war is more usually the default position.There’s no reason to think that the EU Federalism v Nationalism argument has any more chance of being settled democratically than those other examples.The fact is the difference between the ideology of Federalism v the self determination of the nation state isn’t something that can be open to negotiation or compromise by either side.
The-Snowman:
I said a few times on EU referendum threads that they would make things difficult for us with trade deals, only for carryfast to respond with the usual “feel free to explain” ramblings.
I know very little about politics but I live in the real world and even I saw the problems that were going to happen with a brexit vote but people like carryfast were too fixated on other issues to see it. They thought they had all the answers but only the most naive thought the rest of the EU would wish us well and be favourable with the exit terms
Firstly I never said that they would ‘wish us well’.The point is if they want a trade war just because we want to secede from their zb Federalist dream now why would you want to condemn future generations to that type of relationship.
I never said you personally had said theyd wish us well but when ever I brought up about them blocking trade deals etc, you were incredibly cocksure about how they didnt have a leg to stand on and we would control what happened. You were under the impression they could seethe all they wanted but there was nothing they could do about it. I always knew it would not be so easy
Carryfast:
Let me guess you’re one of those who isn’t up for the trade war that it will take and that we actually need and can only win.
BZZZZZZZZZ, wrong. Do you want to try for double jeopardy where the stakes can really be interesting?
OVLOV JAY:
The remoaners are all selfish, riding the golden goose for themselves instead of thinking about the country. All worried about keeping their cheap flights to Spain, although the low pound is good for tourism and exports. Self centred like their European masters they’ve been brainwashed to follow
It drops year on year, but fluctuates month to month. If it went from 1.49 to 1.22 in a day, I’d agree with you. But it’s taken almost 4 months to get there, oh, and it went back to 1.23 by close of business, so I’d say that’s fluctuated. And if you check back through the years, the exchange rate was well above 2 in 2007, and we’re all still here, eating well, driving nice cars, wearing nice clothes and enjoying nice holidays. Pretty sure the uk isn’t going to crumble into the sea anytime soon. 
