BREXIT.

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del trotter:
Explain how it is going to get better for hourly paid drivers, cost of living up, wages still at the same level.

Explain how more East Euro free movement and cabotage will make wages better for UK drivers.

Exactly what is the connection between Brexit and increasing prices.As opposed to the hidden inflationary pressures together with downward pressure on wages which existed before Brexit was ever on the table.While Brexit obviously provides the win win situation of being able to cut EU imports ( assuming the EU wants a trade war ) and East Euro free movement in favour of more jobs for Brits.

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For a long time, we’ve been told that “Inflation is bad, deflation is good”. Inflation is bad when it relates to the cost of living and deflation is good when it relates to the cost of living.

Now look at the reality that’s been in play for a long time now:

Inflation is GOOD when it means you can actually get a pay rise each year, rather than be told that “Pay is limited to the rate of inflation, which is currently very low”
Deflation is BAD when it means you cannot allow a proper market to form, because any upside due to supply and demand - has been artificially squashed.

So… If you’re a person with a private income (the 1%) then the FIRST is true.
If you’re the other 99% - the SECOND definition is true.

99%-1% is a lot bigger majority than 52%-48% isn’t it?

Brexit is good for the 99% I suggest, but oddly NOT good for all of the 52%, despite the conventional thinking being the reverse.

This is because people voted for Brexit - for many varying and disparate reasons.
Remainers on the other hand, the reasons come down to two things: (1) Belief that being in the EU is good for THEM (which might not be true) and (2) Belief that Brexit is BAD for them (which probably isn’t true either)

Even people getting EU subsidies - won’t be all laid-off en-masse once we’re out of the EU fully.
It’s time the fear got put aside, and we just got on with this new path 52% of us want to take.
…Otherwise the next thing we’ll hear will be “Government of 1940 sued for not surrendering to Hitler’s “no reparations” peace deal offered that year.”
All those who died after that deal was rejected by the UK government on behalf of the British “Greater Good” - could be argued by the traitors of this country - “What did they die for again?”

Of course we had to go to bloody war. Of course we knew in advance that doing so would cost millions of lives…
But we did it anyway, because to NOT do it would be even more “Evil”. :neutral_face:

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Winseer:
For a long time, we’ve been told that “Inflation is bad, deflation is good”. Inflation is bad when it relates to the cost of living and deflation is good when it relates to the cost of living.

Now look at the reality that’s been in play for a long time now:

Inflation is GOOD when it means you can actually get a pay rise each year, rather than be told that “Pay is limited to the rate of inflation, which is currently very low”
Deflation is BAD when it means you cannot allow a proper market to form, because any upside due to supply and demand - has been artificially squashed.

So… If you’re a person with a private income (the 1%) then the FIRST is true.
If you’re the other 99% - the SECOND definition is true.

99%-1% is a lot bigger majority than 52%-48% isn’t it?

Brexit is good for the 99% I suggest, but oddly NOT good for all of the 52%, despite the conventional thinking being the reverse.

This is because people voted for Brexit - for many varying and disparate reasons.
Remainers on the other hand, the reasons come down to two things: (1) Belief that being in the EU is good for THEM (which might not be true) and (2) Belief that Brexit is BAD for them (which probably isn’t true either)

The reality is more along the lines of inflation being pushed and made clear in all its detail when the establishment agenda wants it to be such as when Thatcher wanted to put Callaghan out of business.Or now when the remainers want to use it as a trojan horse to take out Brexit.

While it’s kept hidden from view when the same establishment agenda wants it to be.The reason for it in either case being similar in that of a country being effectively asset stripped,de industrialised and ripped off,as part of the EU agenda,which is effectively a foreign aid exercise,which is first and foremost all about what’s good for Germany.

The result now being the impossible combination of an inflation rate stated as zero while the bank of ‘England’ is printing money like it’s going out of fashion all being covered by ripping off workers with stagnant valueless wages and investors at an interest rate that,like wages,is based on the same lie of virtually zero inflation.While the reality of resulting price rises are hidden by pretending that any price rises are a supposed anomaly outside of the true rate of inflation.

Then when the people do anything the establishment doesn’t like they suddenly uncover the true value of the pound in the hope that everyone will say oh look we’re much better off with the status quo,which is ripping us all off,after all. :unamused: Which is what happened in 1975 and 1979.With May and Blair and the rest of the remain establishment hoping that they’ll get away with pulling the same stunt now.

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I would imagine that a Trump win will accelerate the Brexit process now.

Hilary’s price to win has drifted out from 1/5 on last week to 4/9 on this morning, and is still drifting as I watch… (£95 million quid bet so far on this market alone!) :open_mouth:

Meanwhile, Trump’s price to win has shortened from 6-1 a week ago to 9/4 now.

Farage looks like he is going to be “right again” when he said that “Trump will win the election unexpectedly the same as Vote Leave did”. :wink:

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Well that’s it, mp’s to get a vote. Stuck in the poxy EU forever. I hate this country sometimes

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OVLOV JAY:
Well that’s it, mp’s to get a vote. Stuck in the poxy EU forever. I hate this country sometimes

Government appealing, Supreme court scheduled for December 7th, if the government win that one, ECJ next. IF the government lose in the Supreme court, can’t see them appealing to the ECJ though.

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OVLOV JAY:
Well that’s it, mp’s to get a vote. Stuck in the poxy EU forever. I hate this country sometimes

The Parliament act defining Parliamentary sovereignty clearly states that only Parliament can change the law, not the PM by herself. The PM tried to pull a fast one and the High Court just reminded her of what the law says.

This is not the time to play fast and loose with our democracy and sovereignty.

We cannot cut corners and ignore our laws just because some like it and others don’t. Both sides of the referendum should applaud the court’s decision today, it makes our government follow our laws, what could be wrong with that.

This is not over yet, but I don’t see the Supreme court giving the PM power over Parliament, that is a dictatorship, not a democracy.

We have a parliamentary democracy, the referendum didn’t change that.

This court ruling does not mean that Brexit is stopped, it just means that Parliament has to debate it and has to make the final decision. I don’t see why we still couldn’t leave the EU, we just won’t do it on the terms of a few ■■■■■■■■ Brexiteers in the Cabinet, we will do it on the terms and schedule that Parliament sets out. That’s how we have always been governed ever since Parliament was created and that’s how we will continue to be governed.

I don’t see this as either a win or a loss for the remainers nor the leavers, this is a win for democracy.

Maybe we can all get together now and make the best of it, isn’t that in everybody’s interest?

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OVLOV JAY:
Well that’s it, mp’s to get a vote. Stuck in the poxy EU forever. I hate this country sometimes

No if they dare go against the vote they will quickly loose there seats .As that was a democratic vote ,if they try to derail the vote ,there will be serious concequences for years to come .

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Albert1:

OVLOV JAY:
Well that’s it, mp’s to get a vote. Stuck in the poxy EU forever. I hate this country sometimes

No if they dare go against the vote they will quickly loose there seats .As that was a democratic vote ,if they try to derail the vote ,there will be serious concequences for years to come .

The referendum has no legal status, everybody agrees on that one, that has never been in dispute. The referendum result are just advisory, the rest is up to parliament.

This court ruling just affirmed that we are a parliamentary democracy, Parliament and parliament alone can decide how and when we leave the EU.

So many brexiters voted to take back control, this is all about control and the final control in this country to do with domestic law lies squarely with parliament.

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The beginning of the end of democracy in this country as we know it!!!

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moomooland:
The beginning of the end of democracy in this country as we know it!!!

No, a confirmation of our democracy. May wanted to use royal prerogative to subvert our parliamentary democracy.

800 years ago Henry IV tried that and ever since then only parliament has had the authority to set our laws. May wanted to ignore our democracy and sideline parliament, that has now been stopped.

This is not about us leaving the EU, this is about who has to authority to do so and the court rightfully sided with 800 years of parliamentary democracy, how could you ever see this as an end to our democracy?

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wheelnutt:

moomooland:
The beginning of the end of democracy in this country as we know it!!!

No, a confirmation of our democracy. May wanted to use royal prerogative to subvert our parliamentary democracy.

800 years ago Henry IV tried that and ever since then only parliament has had the authority to set our laws. May wanted to ignore our democracy and sideline parliament, that has now been stopped.

This is not about us leaving the EU, this is about who has to authority to do so and the court rightfully sided with 800 years of parliamentary democracy, how could you ever see this as an end to our democracy?

Isn’t that what we voted for ?

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blue estate:
Isn’t that what we voted for ?

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No, we are a parliamentary democracy not a direct democracy. Only parliament can decide when and how we leave the EU (or even if to play the devil’s advocate), the referendum was only ever advisory, nobody has ever claimed that the referendum was binding, both the brexit camp and the remain camp were always very clear on that, there is no option for a referendum in our democracy.

Why are so many now confused about what democracy we have here, we’ve had it for 1000 years.

800 years ago Henry IV tried to subvert the authority of parliament by using royal prerogative for domestic laws, he was summarily shut down.

Only our parliament has a say in our democracy, the PM on her own can’t do anything domestically, neither can people voting for a referendum.

The court ruling today was pretty clear and made sure that our parliamentary democracy continues unhindered, the PM on her own has no power domestically, neither has cabinet, only parliament has the power to amend and make laws.

Ask yourself this, if the PM tomorrow decides to give every Tory member 100 million or kill all disabled people because they are a drain, or castrate all blue eyed men, you would be OK with that? You would be just fine that parliament had no voice in those decisions? Of course not, that is not how we operate. Our PM has no power, only parliament does. Why would this issue of Brexit be any different? We are not governed by referenda, nor by cabinet, we are governed by parliament.

May tried to pull a fast one, she was put in her place and rightfully so.

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People got confused by the leaflet ( and I can’t for some reason copy and past the relevant page ) that was put through all our doors from the government, where it says " This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide"

google.co.uk/search?site=&t … 0r_-YOM%3A

It’s very clear. It doesn’t say we will take note, but ultimately it’s down to Parliament to decide.

It does confirm that you are told one thing and then something else happens. Bit like the campaigning by both sides.

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albion:
People got confused by the leaflet ( and I can’t for some reason copy and past the relevant page ) that was put through all our doors from the government, where it says " This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide"

google.co.uk/search?site=&t … 0r_-YOM%3A

It’s very clear. It doesn’t say we will take note, but ultimately it’s down to Parliament to decide.

It does confirm that you are told one thing and then something else happens. Bit like the campaigning by both sides.

This is all pretty clear to me, and the courts, there are procedures to follow, the government tables a bill to trigger article 50, parliament debates and votes. That’s how we have worked for 1000 years, why would brexit be any different?

I don’t know where the confusion lies really, we are a parliamentary democracy.

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This was only ever going to be a win win for remain. There was never any intention to take us out. It’s like a protection racket. You’re in until we say otherwise. And spouting the line of this is the democracy you wanted is just beating the majority with their own shoe. The only way forward is a snap general election now. The mp’s must have a mandate and it must also be an open ballot

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OVLOV JAY:
This was only ever going to be a win win for remain. There was never any intention to take us out. It’s like a protection racket. You’re in until we say otherwise. And spouting the line of this is the democracy you wanted is just beating the majority with their own shoe. The only way forward is a snap general election now. The mp’s must have a mandate and it must also be an open ballot

This is the democracy we have, why would we change it just for Brexit?

Let the government table an article 50 proposal and parliament can debate it and vote for it, that’s how we operate, how could you ever object to that?

The government can put the whole thing up for debate next week and we will have a article 50 vote before Christmas, that is even quicker then May is trying to do on her own illegally.

If the government is not going to put it up for debate on Monday then one of the backbenchers could start a private members bill first thing on Tuesday and we could actually have a vote on article 50 in a couple of weeks.

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Because the parliamentary vote should just be a formality. Unfortunately the minority doesn’t care for the will of the majority. But a first past the post system of democracy breeds that notion of minority rule I guess

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OVLOV JAY:
Because the parliamentary vote should just be a formality. Unfortunately the minority doesn’t care for the will of the majority. But a first past the post system of democracy breeds that notion of minority rule I guess

Why should it be a formality? We don’t live in a dictatorship, this isn’t North Korea.

Our Parliament is supreme, brexit is not going to change a 1000 year history.

You want to tell parliament what to do? I don’t think so. We have fought wars to protect our democracy long may it continue.

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There you go, using our argument to suit your narrative. The will of the people is to get out, so the mp’s should all vote the way of their constituency. That’s the voters they are supposed to represent. It’s like kicking the ball back after a drop ball. Just a formal process to get on with the game.