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1824

msgyorkie:
Like it or not it has happened and I cannot change it. I dont get myself wound up about it. I dont undertsand why 6 years later you and others are still wound up?

The vote happened and we have left the EU.

Do you think it is all over somehow? Arent you aware of the ongoing situation regarding the Good Friday Agreement, and the evolving ■■■■-up that is the border between NI and the rest of the UK? The continuing rush to sign up for any old trade deal offered to us? The ongoing threats from the current Gov to dishonour the deals they themselves negotiated and signed? Years of being seen as an honest country are at risk of being trashed by a push for short term gains for a lame PM and his cronies. What of the continuing uncertainty for businesses as they dont know when or if the next wave of import controls will arrive?
Or maybe you believe in the same vague ideas about Eire/NI borders that allow free passage but with more controls, that Rees-Mogg sees clearly, but that Ernst Schrodinger would struggle to understand. I know who has the better mind of those two.

You dont understand why some of us are wound up? Well, some of us dont like being taken for fools. We dont like being lied to. We dont like having our future thrown away for the sake of Tory party donors.
You wanna laugh all of that off? As I said before some people are fooled all of the time. Is that you?

1825

robroy:
So…61 pages and counting. :neutral_face:
I know I regularly and periodically take the ■■■■ out of you guys and your refusal to accept Brexit after almost…6 BLOODY YEARS. :bulb: !! , but to be serious for a .minute just a couple of questions.

1.When are you going to finally get bored with all this and just make the best out of (what you consider to be ) a bad job.■■

I’m still waiting for an answer from Franglais from my first post further up this page, asking had things gone the other way what would his response and opinion be to a thread still going on 6 years later with posters moaning and whining like little children about the fact we were still in the EU.

I suspect he hasn’t answered that question because the answer would be very similar to the things he continually has labeled against him currently through this thread.

1826

Brexit was a jolly jape for the Eton and Oxford debating societies led by the likes of Mogg et al. It also enabled them to remove any EU oversight of their greed and hedge fund grasp on the economy.
Unfortunately, until the red wall bigots die, who are largely pensioners, we are stuck with the selfish, self-centred approach of the avaricious Tory right and its supporters in the media who poison the minds of their deluded red wall readers

1827

Owen me old mate ,after a post like that I think you best go see a doctor

1828

OwenMoney:
Brexit was a jolly jape for the Eton and Oxford debating societies led by the likes of Mogg et al. It also enabled them to remove any EU oversight of their greed and hedge fund grasp on the economy.
Unfortunately, until the red wall bigots die, who are largely pensioners, we are stuck with the selfish, self-centred approach of the avaricious Tory right and its supporters in the media who poison the minds of their deluded red wall readers

There was no EU oversight on the financial industry. The rich were getting richer in the EU just as much as they are post Brexit.

1829

msgyorkie:

OwenMoney:
Brexit was a jolly jape for the Eton and Oxford debating societies led by the likes of Mogg et al. It also enabled them to remove any EU oversight of their greed and hedge fund grasp on the economy.
Unfortunately, until the red wall bigots die, who are largely pensioners, we are stuck with the selfish, self-centred approach of the avaricious Tory right and its supporters in the media who poison the minds of their deluded red wall readers

There was no EU oversight on the financial industry. The rich were getting richer in the EU just as much as they are post Brexit.

!!! ******* $$$$ !
This **** in the same week that the UK Gov proposes selling sub-prime mortgages, and deregulating even more of the financial sector that led to the last cras…
.
Well Done!

I`m speechless*.

*Temporarily of course…
My error entirely.
I really should have recognized the level of fiscal cognizance from previous posts. Or common sense.

And to go on…

Postby msgyorkie » 03 Nov 2020, 19:13
Funny how the demise of the strength of the Unions has led to a worsening of working terms and conditions. Yet there are still mugs who say “Unions ■■■■”. I bet they are the first to complain because they are working for £9 per hour straight through.
I dont care what you think, I KNOW that as a Union member I have some protection and somebody watching my back

Well, nice to agree with you there.
What do you think of Grant Shapps proposing allowing agency workers to become “black-legs”?
And what of this?
fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/art … and-action
Just another awkward bit of EU law we should bin?

Just like the EU rules we seem to be trying to evade about sub-prime mortgages now being proposed?
What generally happens, I wonder, when banks and bankers are allowed to run free and are deregulated?
A long term gain for all?
Or summat else?
A quick buck for a few, paid for by long term misery by many?

Gosh!
If only something like this had happened in living memory*…

*Goldfish memory doesn`t count, by the way

1830

The words of Michael Heseltine are quite appropriate in terms of the oft quoted “Democratic vote of the people”:

An Extract:
“While readers of the Guardian have been kept closely informed about the continuing tragedy of Brexit, it’s only now that other parts of the British press have begun to consider the truth of its legacy.
Not all those who voted to remain agreed with me that the campaign to rejoin the EU needed to begin the day after the referendum. But in my view, democracy is a vehicle of choice. Successive governments reverse each other’s mistakes. The bigger the mistake, the more urgent the need to reverse. It may take time. Brexit took 43 years.
Initially, that process began slowly. It picked up pace and virulence with the acquisition of major newspapers by Rupert Murdoch and Conrad Black, and with the replacement of David English, a staunch European, with Paul Dacre at the Daily Mail. Over time, the public were fed a diet of deception, culminating in the lies of the Brexit campaign itself.”

Continued at: Even the Murdoch press is now waking up to the truth: Brexit was an act of self-harm | Michael Heseltine | The Guardian

1831

Franglais:
The vote happened and we have left the EU.

Do you think it is all over somehow?

I mean after 6 years perhaps it’s time to accept it is old bean, go on try it … I dare you! You never know, you may even be surprised by your new found acceptance of a democratic vote, you know like 99% of people have (sorry no “link” to prove that exact figure - please forgive me)

1832

Unfortunately old bean, a non binding referendum has damaged my future and my children’s futures.
There is nothing good to see about it or to try.

Certainly there isn’t anything to be done and we shall all be paying for it for a long time.
The country has been conned.

1833

whisperingsmith:
The words of Michael Heseltine are quite appropriate in terms of the oft quoted “Democratic vote of the people”:

An Extract:
“While readers of the Guardian have been kept closely informed about the continuing tragedy of Brexit, it’s only now that other parts of the British press have begun to consider the truth of its legacy.
Not all those who voted to remain agreed with me that the campaign to rejoin the EU needed to begin the day after the referendum. But in my view, democracy is a vehicle of choice. Successive governments reverse each other’s mistakes. The bigger the mistake, the more urgent the need to reverse. It may take time. Brexit took 43 years.
Initially, that process began slowly. It picked up pace and virulence with the acquisition of major newspapers by Rupert Murdoch and Conrad Black, and with the replacement of David English, a staunch European, with Paul Dacre at the Daily Mail. Over time, the public were fed a diet of deception, culminating in the lies of the Brexit campaign itself.”

Continued at: Even the Murdoch press is now waking up to the truth: Brexit was an act of self-harm | Michael Heseltine | The Guardian

-----------------Democracy is not a one off event---------------------------
--------------------It is a continuing process----------------------------------

1834

tmcassett:

Franglais:
The vote happened and we have left the EU.

Do you think it is all over somehow?

I mean after 6 years perhaps it’s time to accept it is old bean, go on try it … I dare you! You never know, you may even be surprised by your new found acceptance of a democratic vote, you know like 99% of people have (sorry no “link” to prove that exact figure - please forgive me)

If you are happy to allow politicians to lie and cheat, and are happy to ignore all consequences of such, fine.
You just allow yourself to be a doormat if you want. Repeat the liar`s line that “they are all the same”. That way they can lie to you again and again, and you will just accept it.

Some of us do care a bit more about our lives and our kids futures. We arent the poodles of the few who are genuinely benefiting from leaving the EU.

The Johnson Gov is now proposing new legislation to unilaterally break the International Agreement that was signed by itself.
What chance of any good future deals when all can see what deal means to the UK? Nothing.

You may be happy to see this countrys reputation dragged down to the level of the serial liar Johnson and his hangers on, but some of us arent.

Brexit isn`t over.
If you think it is, that is merely a display of your lack of understanding of what is really is involved.

1835

whisperingsmith:
The words of Michael Heseltine are quite appropriate in terms of the oft quoted “Democratic vote of the people”:

An Extract:
“While readers of the Guardian have been kept closely informed about the continuing tragedy of Brexit, it’s only now that other parts of the British press have begun to consider the truth of its legacy.
Not all those who voted to remain agreed with me that the campaign to rejoin the EU needed to begin the day after the referendum. But in my view, democracy is a vehicle of choice. Successive governments reverse each other’s mistakes. The bigger the mistake, the more urgent the need to reverse. It may take time. Brexit took 43 years.
Initially, that process began slowly. It picked up pace and virulence with the acquisition of major newspapers by Rupert Murdoch and Conrad Black, and with the replacement of David English, a staunch European, with Paul Dacre at the Daily Mail. Over time, the public were fed a diet of deception, culminating in the lies of the Brexit campaign itself.”

Continued at: Even the Murdoch press is now waking up to the truth: Brexit was an act of self-harm | Michael Heseltine | The Guardian

All well and good but brexit was not ‘government’ choice, yes, David Cameron initiated it but it’s the people that voted for it, not the government. As pointed out on here some time ago, if the EU was that good then the result would have more like 80% remain.
As for some on here asking where are these brexit benefits…well, me and most brexit voters I know where in no doubt that the benefits would be further down the road, look at it like a divorce or separation, no immediate plus points but a bumpy ride with all sorts of headaches, the benefits come later as a result of no longer being in the relationship. After all if the EU is heading in a direction that the voters don’t want to go down then that initial shock of leaving is well worth it.

1836

I could post for hours what is wrong with the eu …people who like it have rose tinted glasses …free movement was the cause of the spread of covid…Italy asked commission for permission to close the boarder vonder lyon said NO we can not stop free movement …I believe the eu is as corrupt as every where else they are all the same …paying for non existent olive trees ,lies about not wanting a super state and eu armed forces…they are coming …fiddling all the customers who thought they were buying low emission cars when the were fiddled…allowing truck manufactures to run a price cartel …joe public pays in the end because it is all passed on to us…allowing Germany and its lap dog france brake rules on the environment ie digging for coal for the new power stations…fiddling the fish quotas…small nets to catch everything and throwing good dead fish overboard …drivers hours …watched and monitored every hour …and god forbid if war broke out they would fold like a pack of cards, waiting to see who was winning so they could form up with who ever was winner .I voted leave it had nothing to do with the red bus ,boris, or any of the news…I new after 10 years it was a busted flush all Germany and lap dog france it was a gravy train for the leaders …you can have it there is a big world out there not just the eu

1837

Franglais.,.you are constantly and continuously running down the country telling us how bad it is and how worse it’s going to get., how badly you think it is ran and how the future is bleak.

So …
I’m assuming the job you are in is fine, your’e quite happy with it, the boss is somewhere between bearable and fantastic,.and that you have no plans to leave, worklife is fine and dandy in fact.

Then …suddenly the whole ball game changes, the firm becomes ran by a transport group, let’s say Wincantons (other crappy up their own arses type firms are available) .where life as you know it has gone, turned upside down beyond recognition to the point where it resembles the difference (in your view ) to chalk and cheese…same job, but they put you through what you consider to be hell.
With me so far?

Question…

Do you …
(a) Stay where you are,aware that the old way is history, but cling on to it sentimentally anyway but totally miserable with it the way it has become.
Then maybe come on here to vent your anger and frustration about this firm and job, endlessly boring the the ■■■■ arse off others., telling us how bad it is and putting links up about ’ Wincantons, comparing it with the old firm.

Or…

b. Leave that job looking for one similar to the old one you constantly pine for.

I’ve heard the South of France or Italy is lovely all year round.
Holland is a very friendly place,. France has some lovely wines, and you get great beer and chocolate in Belgiuum.

Au revoir,.Auf wiedersein.Tot ziens, leave a light on for the rest of us.
I’m sure you’ll get my drift. :bulb: :wink:

1838

robroy:
Franglais.,.you are constantly and continuously running down the country telling us how bad it is and how worse it’s going to get., how badly you think it is ran and how the future is bleak.

So …
I’m assuming the job you are in is fine, your’e quite happy with it, the boss is somewhere between bearable and fantastic,.and that you have no plans to leave, worklife is fine and dandy in fact.

Then …suddenly the whole ball game changes, the firm becomes ran by a transport group, let’s say Wincantons (other crappy up their own arses type firms are available) .where life as you know it has gone, turned upside down beyond recognition to the point where it resembles the difference (in your view ) to chalk and cheese…same job, but they put you through what you consider to be hell.
With me so far?

Question…

Do you …
(a) Stay where you are,aware that the old way is history, but cling on to it sentimentally anyway but totally miserable with it the way it has become.
Then maybe come on here to vent your anger and frustration about this firm and job, endlessly boring the the [zb] arse off others., telling us how bad it is and putting links up about ’ Wincantons, comparing it with the old firm.

Or…

b. Leave that job looking for one similar to the old one you constantly pine for.

I’ve heard the South of France or Italy is lovely all year round.
Holland is a very friendly place,. France has some lovely wines, and you get great beer and chocolate in Belgiuum.

Au revoir,.Auf wiedersein.Tot ziens, leave a light on for the rest of us.
I’m sure you’ll get my drift. :bulb: :wink:

Do you actually read any posts? Or do you imagine what someone has written and reply to that?
I am not running the country down. I am criticizing those who are running it.

A company being sold off? Poor analogy.
No matter *what they think,*and no matter what you let them get away with The Gov do not own the country.
Voting them in, is not a free ticket for a bunch of dictatorial decrees. They should be our servants, not an elite club sending millions of our tax money to their cronies, and refusing to investigate what appears to be fraud.

You rolling over and accepting poor politicians is what is dragging the country down.
“They`re all the same” is you believing the lies told you by their supporters and paymasters. It suits them to retain the current bunch rather than have a few more honest ones replace them. Seems you are one of the people who are fooled all of the time.

Hold them to account and demand better.
Why should those who want better for this country be pushed out by those currently in control?
You think that all you deserve is a bunch of dishonest and lying fools? Maybe so.
The rest of the country deserve better.

1839

Do I read your posts?..Got to admit that on certain topics, your 3 favourites in fact, that when I see your name I do approach it, maybe not in the way I do Winseer and Carryfast, but you’re getting somewhere near tbh mate sorry to say. :smiley:

By the same token, do you read my posts, I’ve just made an excellent suggestion to you that ticks all the boxes,.and solves all your problems,.and judging by your username you’re half way there with a possible Gallic connection?

Loving the way you INSTANTLY write off what I thought was an excellent analogy btw. as a '‘poor’ one, :laughing: I would imagine everybody else can see my point.

‘‘The govt do not own the country’’ you say., neither does the new management team in my analogy, and you’re fully entitled to criticise that team, but in either case you’re stuck with them unless you get a new job similar to the old regime or to get back to Brexit situation…emigrate to an EU country.

Because telling everybody who is unfortunate enough to endure you telling them :unamused: , how bad the new state of play in your firm is compared to the old way that suited you is akin to ■■■■■■■ against the wind, making you a very bitter (bordering on unbearable ) person with very high blood pressure, :bulb:
It’s futile and bears no resemblance to anything constructive.

To get back to the real situation, we vote in Starmer and his clowns?
Aye right,that will bring about some kind of Nirvanic bliss in the UK won’t it eh? :unamused:
You know my opinion on politicians,.self serving shysters, and a new party? …look back at my Roger Daltrey quote…‘‘Meet the new boss etc etc.’’

So here’s another Rob analogy for ya. :smiley:
Dealing with Brexit or any other political decision you don’t like is like a poker game with friends and strangers.
You’ve no actual say or control in how the game will go so you tactically get your head down and get on with it best you can.
You get dealt a hand you ain’t keen on,.so you don’t let the rest of the group know you ain’t happy, because they ain’t interested,.and you only come across as somebody a bit odd.
Instead you make the best of that hand for yourself, it s the only constructive way. :bulb:
And if you’re clever enough to play that hand, you end up winning, and much better than whinging and whining about your bad hand.

In actual fact during that game of poker with those cards…

Wait for it.

You’ve got to know when to hold em., know when to fold em, know when to WALK AWAY know when to run.
You don’t count out your money when you’re sitting at the table, there’'ll be plenty time for counting when the dealings done. :bulb: :smiley:
You’re welcome. :sunglasses:

1840

robroy:
Loving the way you INSTANTLY write off what I thought was an excellent analogy btw. as a '‘poor’ one, I would imagine everybody else can see my point.

‘‘The govt do not own the country’’ you say., neither does the new management team in my analogy, and you’re fully entitled to criticise that team, but in either case you’re stuck with them unless you get a new job similar to the old regime or to get back to Brexit situation…emigrate to an EU country.

Management are the tools of owners. Governments should be the tools of voters.
You want to allow them to make up rules as they go along? Break promises and move goalposts repeatedly?

You might be happy to be answerable to politicians, I say politicians should be answerable to us, the voters.
twitter.com/karlturnermp/status … 2780997634

1841

You’re getting ■■■■ unbearable Franglais, pure blind rhetoric …you’ve got an answer (and a link :unamused: ) to every ■■■■ thing …you’re actually starting to annoy me in fact. :laughing:

You’re now a caricature of yourself , try toning it down a bit mate. :bulb: you ain’t coming across in a very good light, instead you’re coming across like an old Grandad sat in the corner talking to himself, that the rest of the family have to live with.
Belching ■■■■■■■ and constantly and eternally complaining to everyone’s embarrasment.

I’m getting this vibe from you in fact. :laughing:

youtu.be/jdkN57xvekI
Just saying like . :wink: :smiley:

1842

Franglais:

robroy:
Franglais.,.you are constantly and continuously running down the country telling us how bad it is and how worse it’s going to get., how badly you think it is ran and how the future is bleak.

So …
I’m assuming the job you are in is fine, your’e quite happy with it, the boss is somewhere between bearable and fantastic,.and that you have no plans to leave, worklife is fine and dandy in fact.

Then …suddenly the whole ball game changes, the firm becomes ran by a transport group, let’s say Wincantons (other crappy up their own arses type firms are available) .where life as you know it has gone, turned upside down beyond recognition to the point where it resembles the difference (in your view ) to chalk and cheese…same job, but they put you through what you consider to be hell.
With me so far?

Question…

Do you …
(a) Stay where you are,aware that the old way is history, but cling on to it sentimentally anyway but totally miserable with it the way it has become.
Then maybe come on here to vent your anger and frustration about this firm and job, endlessly boring the the [zb] arse off others., telling us how bad it is and putting links up about ’ Wincantons, comparing it with the old firm.

Or…

b. Leave that job looking for one similar to the old one you constantly pine for.

I’ve heard the South of France or Italy is lovely all year round.
Holland is a very friendly place,. France has some lovely wines, and you get great beer and chocolate in Belgiuum.

Au revoir,.Auf wiedersein.Tot ziens, leave a light on for the rest of us.
I’m sure you’ll get my drift. :bulb: :wink:

Do you actually read any posts? Or do you imagine what someone has written and reply to that?
I am not running the country down. I am criticizing those who are running it.

A company being sold off? Poor analogy.
No matter *what they think,*and no matter what you let them get away with The Gov do not own the country.
Voting them in, is not a free ticket for a bunch of dictatorial decrees. They should be our servants, not an elite club sending millions of our tax money to their cronies, and refusing to investigate what appears to be fraud.

You rolling over and accepting poor politicians is what is dragging the country down.
“They`re all the same” is you believing the lies told you by their supporters and paymasters. It suits them to retain the current bunch rather than have a few more honest ones replace them. Seems you are one of the people who are fooled all of the time.

Hold them to account and demand better.
Why should those who want better for this country be pushed out by those currently in control?
You think that all you deserve is a bunch of dishonest and lying fools? Maybe so.
The rest of the country deserve better.

Easily applied to the EU as well.

1843

robroy:
I’ve heard the South of France or Italy is lovely all year round.
Holland is a very friendly place,. France has some lovely wines, and you get great beer and chocolate in Belgium.

Now, with the ending of free movement we can’t just choose to up and go to another eu country to live . It has become very complicated and much harder to get employed as a UK passport holder.