Franglais:
A bid to find some “Brexit Benefits” by burning some “Red Tape”.
Keep the Brexit press quiet, or rather give them some drum to beat?
A bone to throw to the back-benchers chasing Johnson?
Placate those who see the UK as a victim of the “Bullying EU”?
A pointless dropping of regulations that will make no difference at all , because industry will still follow them?
All the above?
Very vague video.
One wonders if he actually knows what these rules are - but weren’t we told UK car exports to Europe would collapse?
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Very vague comment.
So, lets have some specific Brexit benefits from you? Ive asked often enough for some, but so far I don`t recall anything, apart from a “nice warm feeling” for Maoster.
Remember this post?
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Red tape seen at a high blah blah blah.
You need to add the red tape generated by the EU no longer dealing with competences that certain govt departments SHOULD always have handled.
On a positive we’ve lost a complete additional layer of govt (aka the EU); another ineffectual talking shop Parlt and a complete Commission plus the reams of civil servants dedicated to EU directives and regulations can be put to other use.
This thread at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit [emoji16]
So, what advantage has the red tape given us by Brexit*
Does saying "blah blah blah " cover anything at all? I have been very specific about the very visible extra admin necessary.
What red tape have we lost by leaving the EU?
“Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful” (sound familiar?)
No, we haven`t lost a complete extra layer of Parliament.
As you say some of the competences previously handled by some EU bodies will now be handled by UK ones.
Is that a gain? It is replacing one layer with another one.
To approve an article for sale, for safely, it needs tests. Hardly red tape, can we agree?
So, we need standards and test facilities. To specify and test every article needs a number of people. That cost can be shared over 27 countries or by one. Obviously sharing costs is cheaper.
So, what if we set different standards to the EU? Pointless if we wish to export there. What sense in making some widgets to UK spec and others to a different EU spec? Commercial madness. What would an EU manufacturer do to sell here? Tool up for a shorter run of UK-spec widgets? Won`t be a freebie will it.
I refer to the “red tape” of Brexit because it gives us nothing, but costs us money time and effort. A waste.
What you refer to, you say will be shifted from Brussels to London. No gain.
Is this thread “at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit”?
I dont think so. But it certainly is, I think, stating some of the costs and delays introduced by Brexit, all to no advantage to the UK as a whole. A truck in a road queue is visible. A truck in one of 900 odd places in Sevington, is invisible, but its trip is interrupted, taking longer, and costing more than it would have done pre-Brexit.
*Specifically all the new associated documentation, the extra layers of controls, both sides of the border, with more to come in the summer, all the extra employees both private and gov given us? All to no purpose except to administer Brexit pure red tape.
Too long.
Too pedestrian.
And too pedantic
I tired of explaining genuine reasons for Brexit about 3 years ago; folk like you are too obtuse, too stubborn and too conceited to listen - or to understand an alternative view point.
Blah blah accurately summates the dross you repeat ad nauseum and the plodding way you attempt to wear down any opposition in debate.
It’s why you lost the referendum debate 5 years ago…
You’re becoming a caricature and lack the self awareness to realise it.
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A request asking you for examples of Red Tape that has been cut?
The response?
An attack on the posting style, and the poster, but no reply at all to the substance of the post.
Be kind to them Franglais, put yourself in their shoes.
The lack of benefits from Brexit are such that Jacob Rees Mogg has been given the task of Chief Unicorn Chaser.
Tasked to find something for the Express, Mail, Sun & Telegraph to print to justify their support of a scheme to keep their owners from having to pay UK taxes, etc. etc. etc.
whisperingsmith:
Be kind to them Franglais, put yourself in their shoes.
The lack of benefits from Brexit are such that Jacob Rees Mogg has been given the task of Chief Unicorn Chaser.
Tasked to find something for the Express, Mail, Sun & Telegraph to print to justify their support of a scheme to keep their owners from having to pay UK taxes, etc. etc. etc.
A lot of decent people were caught up in the emotion of Brexit weren`t they?
The same way that normally clever people sometimes do things they later regret. (Ask my ex-wife)
The dream of a sunny future, as opposed to reality of everyday, upsndowns, is an easy sell.
Yep, Ive driven away in a bargain second-hand car, and arrived home in a rattly ole dog too. But I dont recommend to my mates that the guy who sold it me is a great fella years later.
Franglais:
A bid to find some “Brexit Benefits” by burning some “Red Tape”.
Keep the Brexit press quiet, or rather give them some drum to beat?
A bone to throw to the back-benchers chasing Johnson?
Placate those who see the UK as a victim of the “Bullying EU”?
A pointless dropping of regulations that will make no difference at all , because industry will still follow them?
All the above?
Very vague video.
One wonders if he actually knows what these rules are - but weren’t we told UK car exports to Europe would collapse?
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Very vague comment.
So, lets have some specific Brexit benefits from you? Ive asked often enough for some, but so far I don`t recall anything, apart from a “nice warm feeling” for Maoster.
Remember this post?
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Red tape seen at a high blah blah blah.
You need to add the red tape generated by the EU no longer dealing with competences that certain govt departments SHOULD always have handled.
On a positive we’ve lost a complete additional layer of govt (aka the EU); another ineffectual talking shop Parlt and a complete Commission plus the reams of civil servants dedicated to EU directives and regulations can be put to other use.
This thread at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit [emoji16]
So, what advantage has the red tape given us by Brexit*
Does saying "blah blah blah " cover anything at all? I have been very specific about the very visible extra admin necessary.
What red tape have we lost by leaving the EU?
“Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful” (sound familiar?)
No, we haven`t lost a complete extra layer of Parliament.
As you say some of the competences previously handled by some EU bodies will now be handled by UK ones.
Is that a gain? It is replacing one layer with another one.
To approve an article for sale, for safely, it needs tests. Hardly red tape, can we agree?
So, we need standards and test facilities. To specify and test every article needs a number of people. That cost can be shared over 27 countries or by one. Obviously sharing costs is cheaper.
So, what if we set different standards to the EU? Pointless if we wish to export there. What sense in making some widgets to UK spec and others to a different EU spec? Commercial madness. What would an EU manufacturer do to sell here? Tool up for a shorter run of UK-spec widgets? Won`t be a freebie will it.
I refer to the “red tape” of Brexit because it gives us nothing, but costs us money time and effort. A waste.
What you refer to, you say will be shifted from Brussels to London. No gain.
Is this thread “at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit”?
I dont think so. But it certainly is, I think, stating some of the costs and delays introduced by Brexit, all to no advantage to the UK as a whole. A truck in a road queue is visible. A truck in one of 900 odd places in Sevington, is invisible, but its trip is interrupted, taking longer, and costing more than it would have done pre-Brexit.
*Specifically all the new associated documentation, the extra layers of controls, both sides of the border, with more to come in the summer, all the extra employees both private and gov given us? All to no purpose except to administer Brexit pure red tape.
Too long.
Too pedestrian.
And too pedantic
I tired of explaining genuine reasons for Brexit about 3 years ago; folk like you are too obtuse, too stubborn and too conceited to listen - or to understand an alternative view point.
Blah blah accurately summates the dross you repeat ad nauseum and the plodding way you attempt to wear down any opposition in debate.
It’s why you lost the referendum debate 5 years ago…
You’re becoming a caricature and lack the self awareness to realise it.
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A request asking you for examples of Red Tape that has been cut?
The response?
An attack on the posting style, and the poster, but no reply at all to the substance of the post.
Can we get something more relevant today, please?
Like having an elected govt free to legislate across all sectors?
Not paying for a second faux Parlt?
Control of immigration?
And most pertinent to me: an extra 7 grand last year
Oh yeah- and no longer an EU citizen of a nascent superstate thst I have no desire to be part of.
See- that’s the thing. You lost the debate and repeat the same mistake day after day because you don’t grasp what matters to individual voters
Then of course we have the idea that it took 40+ years to arrive at the current iteration of the EU, but you petulantly demand all the benefits now. I’m more patient and tend not to compare apples with baby oranges.
whisperingsmith:
Be kind to them Franglais, put yourself in their shoes.
The lack of benefits from Brexit are such that Jacob Rees Mogg has been given the task of Chief Unicorn Chaser.
Tasked to find something for the Express, Mail, Sun & Telegraph to print to justify their support of a scheme to keep their owners from having to pay UK taxes, etc. etc. etc.
A lot of decent people were caught up in the emotion of Brexit weren`t they?
The same way that normally clever people sometimes do things they later regret. (Ask my ex-wife)
The dream of a sunny future, as opposed to reality of everyday, upsndowns, is an easy sell.
Yep, Ive driven away in a bargain second-hand car, and arrived home in a rattly ole dog too. But I dont recommend to my mates that the guy who sold it me is a great fella years later.
Who was the clever one?
You - or the ex?
It’s funny though: prior to the referendum I wasn’t particularly anti EU; I’d grown up with it; it just WAS.
Amazing what a bit of research does (reinforced by a piece of European research which found the more you knew about the EU, the more opposed to it that you were)
As for sunny futures, just a different future. Yet more evidence that you don’t listen to what you’re told because you THINK you know better.
Monkey241:
Like having an elected govt free to legislate across all sectors?
Not paying for a second faux Parlt?
Control of immigration?
And most pertinent to me: an extra 7 grand last year
Oh yeah- and no longer an EU citizen of a nascent superstate thst I have no desire to be part of.
See- that’s the thing. You lost the debate and repeat the same mistake day after day because you don’t grasp what matters to individual voters
Then of course we have the idea that it took 40+ years to arrive at the current iteration of the EU, but you petulantly demand all the benefits now. I’m more patient and tend not to compare apples with baby oranges.
We have just had the Baron Frost as a Minister of State at the Cabinet Office.
He was never elected. He has never stood for election. So not an elected Government.
The House of Lords isn`t elected.
Neither the Government nor Parliament is wholly elected in the UK.
Your first line is untrue.
Control of immigration. OK.
Could be higher or lower numbers. Control is not synonymous with cut.
Whether that control will show better or worse outcomes for the country depends on how that responsibility is exercised.
An extra £7k a year for you? Good for you Jack.
Why is that Brexit related?
The UK drivers may have been under paid for a long time. Not so in Germany, France, Holland is it?
So it is a UK problem, blamed on the EU…we will see what happens about that over the next couple of years.
And if you are happy to have to go through longer frontier queues, if your freedom to travel abroad is curtailed, fine for you.
It doesn`t please me much.
And STILL no mention of red tape cut…!
(Not really, no surprise at all)
Franglais:
if your freedom to travel abroad is curtailed, fine for you.
WHAT■■? My uncle has a house in Spain, I’m flying over next month for 2 weeks then again for September for 2 weeks. The same as I have done since he bought it in 2001.
I better try and get my money back from Ryanair as according to you I can no longer travel.
Hmm wonder if Ryanair would believe your bull crap!
Franglais:
if your freedom to travel abroad is curtailed, fine for you.
WHAT■■? My uncle has a house in Spain, I’m flying over next month for 2 weeks then again for September for 2 weeks. The same as I have done since he bought it in 2001.
I better try and get my money back from Ryanair as according to you I can no longer travel.
Hmm wonder if Ryanair would believe your bull crap!
I didn`t say travel would be ended.
curtail
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UK now being a third country means that UK passport holders need to meet extra conditions not applicable to EU passport
holders, in the EU.
Franglais:
if your freedom to travel abroad is curtailed, fine for you.
WHAT■■? My uncle has a house in Spain, I’m flying over next month for 2 weeks then again for September for 2 weeks. The same as I have done since he bought it in 2001.
I better try and get my money back from Ryanair as according to you I can no longer travel.
Hmm wonder if Ryanair would believe your bull crap!
I didn`t say travel would be ended.
curtail
/kəːˈteɪl/
Learn to pronounce
verb
reduce in extent or quantity; impose a restriction on
UK now being a third country means that UK passport holders need to meet extra conditions not applicable to EU passport
holders, in the EU.
No extra conditions for me and my kin. It’s the same 4 weeks this year the same as the last 20 years (apart from the last 2 years cos of covid)
Franglais:
if your freedom to travel abroad is curtailed, fine for you.
WHAT■■? My uncle has a house in Spain, I’m flying over next month for 2 weeks then again for September for 2 weeks. The same as I have done since he bought it in 2001.
I better try and get my money back from Ryanair as according to you I can no longer travel.
Hmm wonder if Ryanair would believe your bull crap!
I didn`t say travel would be ended.
curtail
/kəːˈteɪl/
Learn to pronounce
verb
reduce in extent or quantity; impose a restriction on
UK now being a third country means that UK passport holders need to meet extra conditions not applicable to EU passport
holders, in the EU.
No extra conditions for me and my kin. It’s the same 4 weeks this year the same as the last 20 years (apart from the last 2 years cos of covid)
There are rules that apply now that didn’t apply before.
They may not impact on you but they still apply.
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A drop on a speed limit from 60 to 50 applies to all drivers, but doesn’t impact on those only driving at 50 anyway.
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Flying into Spain UK passport holders will be liable to different controls than EU passport holders. It may be a longer queue, it may not.
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If your Uncle owns property in Spain the rules over his staying there have changed. Maybe they affect what he does, maybe they don’t. Maybe they affect his plans for the future. Maybe they will affect you in the future.
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The rules have changed because of Brexit.
They apply to everyone.
They do not affect everyone.
90 days in 180 rule and uncle is happy with that.
As he says, why should the minority that brexit is disadvantages for have a bigger say over the majority.
I’m very happy with Brexit so far. Wages have risen and I’m still able to live my live exactly how I did 5, 10 & 20 years ago.
BTW I just saw that stupid post by whispers about Rees-mogg driving down the exchange rate yet I heard on the radio that pound v euro is 1.19…far better than it a couple of years ago when the rate was 1.08.
Remainers…still crying not because we have left the EU but because they lost a vote and are still stomping their feet like a spoilt brat!
msgyorkie:
90 days in 180 rule and uncle is happy with that.
As he says, why should the minority that brexit is disadvantages for have a bigger say over the majority.
I’m very happy with Brexit so far. Wages have risen and I’m still able to live my live exactly how I did 5, 10 & 20 years ago.
BTW I just saw that stupid post by whispers about Rees-mogg driving down the exchange rate yet I heard on the radio that pound v euro is 1.19…far better than it a couple of years ago when the rate was 1.08.
Remainers…still crying not because we have left the EU but because they lost a vote and are still stomping their feet like a spoilt brat!
That’ll be the same pound that prior to Brexit economists were saying was over valued by around 20% and needed to fall to it’s true level
Franglais:
Flying into Spain UK passport holders will be liable to different controls than EU passport holders. It may be a longer queue, it may not.
I’ve earnt several thousand more doing the same job on the same hours as this time last year. IF i have to stand in a separate queue for 15 minutes more once or twice a year when I go abroad to Spain to see my Dad then I’ll take that. Talk about clutching at straws.
You have always ahd to queue and show your passport when coming off a plane into Europe from the UK because the UK was never in the Schengen Agreement, to add this also applies to Irish citizens when flying from Ireland
msgyorkie:
90 days in 180 rule and uncle is happy with that.
As he says, why should the minority that brexit is disadvantages for have a bigger say over the majority.
I’m very happy with Brexit so far. Wages have risen and I’m still able to live my live exactly how I did 5, 10 & 20 years ago.
BTW I just saw that stupid post by whispers about Rees-mogg driving down the exchange rate yet I heard on the radio that pound v euro is 1.19…far better than it a couple of years ago when the rate was 1.08.
Remainers…still crying not because we have left the EU but because they lost a vote and are still stomping their feet like a spoilt brat!
it absolutely blows my mind that your uncle can be happy about being told how long he’s allowed to live in his own house
“happy” ■■
i just dont know what else to say really, i dont think i can ever understand the mentality of a brexiter
Mazzer2:
You have always ahd to queue and show your passport when coming off a plane into Europe from the UK because the UK was never in the Schengen Agreement, to add this also applies to Irish citizens when flying from Ireland
Yes. There was always passport control for UK arrivals into the EU Schengen zone.
The difference is that now as before,the EU passport holders are given free entry into the EU, but the UK holders have to conform to more requirements than before. UK passport holders need to use 3rd country lanes and may be asked more questions than before. Not EU passport holder lanes.
Irish passport? EU lanes.
UK passport? Other passport lane. Possible checks on length of time in EU, finances, reason for trip etc.
Will it make it slower for everyone, all the time? No.
Will it make it slower for some? Yes.
Of course, the big advantage for the UK in all of thi_____________
Of course!
Brexit is driving foreign investment.
brexit-drives-increase-in-uk-investment-projects-in-flanders
Those UK citizens who now have jobs in data processing are often in better paid* private jobs than before on import/export doc work. The Gov** are paying decent salaries to those new Customs officials we see and don`t see. Builders have benefited from Gov** contracts building truck parks in Kent and Inland Clearance Depots.
