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Shipping everything from australia? Thats gonna do a lot for global warming isnt it.
JeffA:
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Shipping everything from australia? Thats gonna do a lot for global warming isnt it.
Shipping?
A wee while ago we had a conversation where it was suggested we could get fresh Aus tomatoes by flying them here!
If I remember it was a bit over a ton of fuel to import a ton of toms? 
Any foreign trade deals we do, will surely be more about each country being able to ship off it’s excess production to the other partner?
This last week before Christmas of shopping coming up…
…Are the goods on the shelf mainly sourced outside of the EU yet, or are we still paying full price for EU imports where YOU live?
I mention this, as our laybys STILL seem to be full of foreign artics all the time, despite the fact that bringing a truck to Blightly these days - has never been so expensive for the EU based Hauliers, which would surely prove what I suspected all along that the profit margin on running an EU truck to Blightly - must have SO much slack in that particular supply chain, that they can swallow all these new red tape extra costs that WE put upon THEM now - and yet the business model of Fresh Produce in particular - still seems to pay them to bring it!
…We won’t have completed Brexit thus, until there are NO EU trucks coming here, except with general haulage, bringing say, stuff from further afield in the world THROUGH Europe to get here.
I’m not seeing any trucks from Asia/Africa yet, despite there being arguably a trade route from each of both of those countries, with or without a long ferry voyage…
“Turkey” on the very frontier of the EU - seems to be the mainstay now, so it looks like at least they are profiting from the current so-called “Post Brexit” arrangements…
Meanwhile, in France - 4 of 6 power stations have been powered down, making me believe that the “weaponized power cut” conspiracy theory I first aired in 2018 and I got kicked off Facebook for posting - is about to be a real threat to this country’s supplies come January…
I hope everyone is stocked up with things like Candles/Torches and decks of playing cards!!
AND He’s Off !
Frost quits the Government. Who will replace him?
Well, with only 650 MPs…
It could be any one of about 45 million of us I suppose?
And the first contender to replace Frost has been announced.
Tim Martin has been under going negotiating lessons recently. His appearance is in keeping with Johnson`s too.
youtube.com/watch?v=VI-WRb2u4po
Or any of the other 783 members of the unelected House of Lords ?
OwenMoney:
Or any of the other 783 members of the unelected House of Lords ?
Well, anyone Johnson wants really?
Choose any ole git off the street, give them a peerage and let them, decide negotiations and sit in Cabinet.
That is what happened with Frost. Never elected anywhere for anything, yet sitting as a full Cabinet Minister, and now quitting saying he doesnt approve of Johnsons: Tax, Environment, and Covid decisions!
Could it be you next? Only if you could accept a pay cut though.
So, Liz Truss to be new Brexit Minister.
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A bit like being Captaincy of a ship mid voyage…
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Edit to add
Her last ship isn’t doing so well.
The small print in the new Aus deal will, by the UK Gov own assessment hit not only UK farmers but also the processed food sector.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexi … ls-1361797
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New Fishing Deal Norway
Kirkella a Hull based trawler has been side lined for about a year, but due to a deal now being agreed with Norway it can now start work again.
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bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-59748581
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The crew reckon on getting a week’s work every year.
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Rumours that they are working 51 weeks as wine waiters in Downing St have not been confirmed.
Franglais:
So, Liz Truss to be new Brexit Minister.
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A bit like being Captaincy of a ship mid voyage…
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Edit to add
Her last ship isn’t doing so well.
The small print in the new Aus deal will, by the UK Gov own assessment hit not only UK farmers but also the processed food sector.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexi … ls-1361797
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Interesting article. One wonders if the absence of a link to the govt assessment is deliberate.
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Monkey241:
Franglais:
So, Liz Truss to be new Brexit Minister.
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A bit like being Captaincy of a ship mid voyage…
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Edit to add
Her last ship isn’t doing so well.
The small print in the new Aus deal will, by the UK Gov own assessment hit not only UK farmers but also the processed food sector.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexi … ls-1361797
.Interesting article. One wonders if the absence of a link to the govt assessment is deliberate.
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Good point…But easy to correct their omission
assets.publishing.service.gov.u … tralia.pdf
Oh I’ve read it.
Context is everything… and it reads quite positively.
No such thing as a free lunch and a healthy economy is adaptive and agile.
I’m not a fan of subsidising uncompetitive industry - funny how resourceful people are when circumstances require it.
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Monkey241:
Oh I’ve read it.Context is everything… and it reads quite positively.
No such thing as a free lunch and a healthy economy is adaptive and agile.
I’m not a fan of subsidising uncompetitive industry - funny how resourceful people are when circumstances require it.
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All interesting points.
In the context of multiple trade changes, how should we view the Australia Gov.UK Impact Assessment, compared with the Brexit Gov.UK Impact Assessment?
I haven’t read it… its kinda irrelevant BUT… and this as a fanatical Remainer (should that read failed Remainer?) will blow your mind: trade deals are not a zero sum game and the best ones are where both sides derive benefit.
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Monkey241:
I haven’t read it… its kinda irrelevant BUT… and this as a fanatical Remainer (should that read failed Remainer?) will blow your mind: trade deals are not a zero sum game and the best ones are where both sides derive benefit.Sent from my SM-G981B using Tapatalk
Franglais:
Monkey241:
As an aside French exports have been hit also.The French are rattled over Brexit.
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Trade is NOT just a zero sum game.
Both “sides” can lose. Or both sides can win.I thought it was always clear that most EU countrys
leaders thought Breixt would be bad for the EU and its members?
Good to see you have been paying attention.
The reason you haven`t read the UK Gov Impact Assessment on Brexit?
bloomberg.com/news/articles … -tape-hits
Monkey241:
. One wonders if the absence of a link to the govt assessment is deliberate.
The Gov in this case refuses to publish a link.
Very deliberate.
Monkey241:
Context is everything
Yes.
The context of a published assessment to a small deal, and the refusal to publish an assessment to a much bigger deal.
The context of leaving the EU to get better deals on the world stage for ourselves.
Doesn`t seem “kinda irrelevant” to me.
I would say that comparing the gain/loss, of new deals to that of old deals is very relevant.
Kinda essential?
Franglais:
Monkey241:
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Franglais:
Monkey241:
As an aside French exports have been hit also.The French are rattled over Brexit.
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Trade is NOT just a zero sum game.
Both “sides” can lose. Or both sides can win.I thought it was always clear that most EU countrys
leaders thought Breixt would be bad for the EU and its members?Good to see you have been paying attention.
The reason you haven`t read the UK Gov Impact Assessment on Brexit?
bloomberg.com/news/articles … -tape-hitsMonkey241:
. One wonders if the absence of a link to the govt assessment is deliberate.The Gov in this case refuses to publish a link.
Very deliberate.Monkey241:
Context is everythingYes.
The context of a published assessment to a small deal, and the refusal to publish an assessment to a much bigger deal.
The context of leaving the EU to get better deals on the world stage for ourselves.
Doesn`t seem “kinda irrelevant” to me.
I would say that comparing the gain/loss, of new deals to that of old deals is very relevant.
Kinda essential?
The gain / loss of a single deal is far easier to more accurately estimate (that after all is what these are).
A larger more complex deal is far harder to accurately predict… and actually less relevant since leaving the EU is far more than just about leaving a trade bloc
5 years later and the fact you still haven’t grasped that shows just why folk like you never provided an adequately persuasive narrative to Remain
5 years later… and I’ve seen nothing yet that even hints to me that I pursued the wrong course of action.
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Well Monkey, as a UK citizen in Europe I am right royally peed off at the loss of free movement that myself and my children have lost due to Stupid Pointless Brexit.
Still waiting to see my Unicorn or the sunlight uplands.
Monkey241:
The gain / loss of a single deal is far easier to more accurately estimate (that after all is what these are).A larger more complex deal is far harder to accurately predict… and actually less relevant since leaving the EU is far more than just about leaving a trade bloc
5 years later and the fact you still haven’t grasped that shows just why folk like you never provided an adequately persuasive narrative to Remain5 years later… and I’ve seen nothing yet that even hints to me that I pursued the wrong course of action.
The more complicated a deal, the harder it is to assess? I agree.
That does not mean that an assessment of Brexit wasnt carried by the UK Gov does it? No one (I think) has suggested that they are so stupid as to sign a deal without doing an Impact Assessment, have they? But one hasnt (correct me if wrong) ever been published.
As you say it is FIVE years since the UK committed to Brexit and still…
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So was Brexit entered into with no assessment?
Cant see that. So, do the Gov simply reckon we are prepared for Brexit at any cost? Youve used the expression fanatical…how do you reckon pursuing an aim, irrespective of cost, and keeping that cost secret from ones own people stacks up? . Have I "grasped the narrative"...... ? I have heard the nonsense spouted but no, I dont grasp, embrace, or whatever any “narrative” coming from the present administration.
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But any assessment kept away from us is fading into irrelevance…
The Q 3 Trade figures aren`t pretty for the UK.
Covid has hit everyone of course, but who is recovering quicker? EU or UK?
No need for difficult projections, to see what has happened.
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OwenMoney:
Well Monkey, as a UK citizen in Europe I am right royally peed off at the loss of free movement that myself and my children have lost due to Stupid Pointless Brexit.
Still waiting to see my Unicorn or the sunlight uplands.
I’m sorry that I’ve interfered with your self entitlement via the democratic process.
Consider your being pee’d off as a small unicorn for me.
As for your kids, bit too emotive and manipulative to include them in your argument. I tell you what - you sort your kids out and I’ll do the same for mine [emoji6]
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All that to argue something that I haven’t disputed?
Overly verbose and startlingly irrelevant.
Why haven’t they published it? I guess you’ll have to ask them.
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