whisperingsmith:
> Carryfast:
> French and Spanish shops are still full of the best British fish while we are still stuck with eating Hake and Haddock.Order from my local Fishmonger CF and you can get it next day - seriously good fish caught in Cornish Waters
https://www.fresh-cornish-fish.co.uk/
That’s a great site! Thanks for sharing
JeffA:
Carryfast:
I voted Leave and also did the walking delivering leaflets in the referendum campaign to Leave.
I never trusted the Party that took us into the EU scam to take us out of it and closet remainer Boris and his LibDem in all but name Party has proved that correct with this false Brexit.Closet remainer? Boris was the idiot on the bus with “350 million a week for the nhs”. What a gigantic numbnuts he is.
Closet obviously means fooling the leave vote that he’s the real deal.
The net contribution combined with the net trade deficit is more than 350 million per week.
The bus didn’t say let’s spend ‘it all’ on the NHS instead and there wasn’t space to write lets spend some of it on the NHS instead.But we’d obviously have a lot more to spend on it if we weren’t giving the cash away to the EUSSR.
It’s equally obvious that Boris and his rotten to the core remain party are just a LibDems hiding under a false flag.Which is why he’s signed EU law into UK statute and he’s implementing LibDem policy better than Ed Davey could have dreamed of.
Winseer:
chrisdalott:
Brexit not being properly implemented has made it easier for small boat crossings to reach UK, refugees sayRefugees living in northern France say lack of Brexit enforcement, i.e. ‘drawbridge pulled up, channel policed with force’ has made it easier for them to reach the UK in small boats, as it emerged that record numbers of people crossed the Channel in one day.
Despite the worsening weather conditions and the lip service of the UK government’s attempts to deter them, 1,185 people made the crossing on Thursday, according to the Home Office. Strange how they know that number so exactly, and yet deportations remain resoundingly at, or near zero…
Refugees who have fled a variety of conflict zones including Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Eritrea told the Guardian they believed the fact the UK was no longer part of the EU made it more appealing to risk the dangerous crossings because they could no longer be sent back to other European countries under EU legislation. No questions got asked about those “Regugees” with the wrong accent for the country they are supposed to have come from - France, or French Africa.
In October 2020 Boris Johnson said Brexit would enable Britain to take back “full control of our money, our borders and our laws”.
It will indeed enable Britain to do these things - once Britain is no longer run by a lying, scheming politician like all the other liars over the years that say anything to get elected, then promptly put on the back burner all those things they promised to do, whilst bringing forward a whole bunch of expensive follies NONE of us voted for!!Nevertheless, while the overall number of people fleeing conflict and claiming asylum in the UK has fallen to 31,115 in the last 12 months, the number crossing from France to the UK in small boats has risen sharply since the UK parted company from the EU.
fallen? - What? - for The biggest crock-‘o’-■■■■■ everPreviously, when the UK was part of the EU, under a mechanism known as Dublin the UK could ask other EU countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries before reaching the UK. A loser, without rigid enforcement. Instead, our police only seem to know how to bump off defenceless ladies, rather than bording vessels mid-channel, busting everyone on board, including the skipper and so-called “Officials”, no doubt with people trafficers at large among them.
The UK could make “take charge” requests and officials were often able to prove that asylum seekers had passed through other countries thanks to the Eurodac fingerprint database. But since Brexit the UK no longer has access to that database, so it is harder to prove definitively which other European countries small boat arrivals to the UK have previously passed through. If if doubt - kick 'em out!
theguardian.com/politics/20 … fugees-say
funny that because most people on this forum used to say how we would be able to send them all straight back as soon as we got out from the european yuman rites act
Except we still seem to be languishing under EU legislation, with no Brexit representative at Westminster to continue holding the government’s feet to the fire over every bit of backsliding done since Boris-the-Pod’s Bun-in-the-Oven Deal.
Where’s the beefed-up coast guard vessels with the powers of deportation, arrest, imprisoning, and deadly force in the event of violent resistance by the people trafficing boat crews?
This is the party that got rid of Powell and took us into the EU and signed us up to Maastricht and officially campaigned to remain in both EU referenda and went into coalition with the LibDem Party.Their Brexit and anti immigration credentials are as credible as that.
Now they are getting on with delivering a LibDem agenda on everything from foreign policy to transport.The country is toast.
Carryfast:
Monkey241:
What’s ECHR got to do with Brexit (that’s the law that ties our hands rather than any EU law)?ECHR = Council of Europe.
Council of Europe same EU flag same EU anthem.‘Different roles shared values’.
IE just an enlarged remit of the same centralised collective.
‘Democracy’ Soviet style.
coe.int/en/web/portal/european-union
Yet the ECHR predates even the Common Market…by quite some years.
In case you missed it the ECHR was largely written by UK lawyers after the war and proposed by Churchill
EU it isn’t
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Couple of things caught my eye.
Dominic ■■■■■■■■ saying (Hold on! His version has been corroborated) that Johnson up until Oct 2020, whilst negotiating it, still “didn’t have a **** clue” what exiting the Trade Union with the EU really meant.
Moorhouse explains it well here.
youtu.be/MRo4rLQA9UE
Ten minute vid.
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Now at 30secs there is a throwaway line or two about what Brexit has cost the UK already.
(This is where one or two more dollars profit is made by Bezos, as some reading my comments hurl their phones against a wall.)
So, how is it going economically for the UK?
.
Chatham House, and the University of Sussex have the UKTPO: thst is, an independent think tank, and a university set up to a body to monitor Brexit after the out vote.
.
They have written a report looking at what is happening, and trying to take account of and separate out COVID effects.
Not easy, of course.
.
Here it is as reported yesterday by GTR
gtreview.com/news/europe/uk … -to-trade/
So a 44billion hit to the UK economy in the first half of 2021.
Not an easy read, but worth the effort.
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Now remembering the Moorhouse vid and what happens come next Jan, with even more costs to UK business, what will the economy be like next year, and the year after that as these losses compound?
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Ed to add
GTR Global Trade Review
gtreview.com/about-us/
Not a bunch of flakes.
Franglais:
Couple of things caught my eye.
Dominic ■■■■■■■■ saying (Hold on! His version has been corroborated) that Johnson up until Oct 2020, whilst negotiating it, still “didn’t have a **** clue” what exiting the Trade Union with the EU really meant.
Moorhouse explains it well here.
youtu.be/MRo4rLQA9UE
Ten minute vid.
.
Now at 30secs there is a throwaway line or two about what Brexit has cost the UK already.
(This is where one or two more dollars profit is made by Bezos, as some reading my comments hurl their phones against a wall.)
So, how is it going economically for the UK?
.
Chatham House, and the University of Sussex have the UKTPO: thst is, an independent think tank, and a university set up to a body to monitor Brexit after the out vote.
.
They have written a report looking at what is happening, and trying to take account of and separate out COVID effects.
Not easy, of course.
.
Here it is as reported yesterday by GTR
gtreview.com/news/europe/uk … -to-trade/
So a 44billion hit to the UK economy in the first half of 2021.
Not an easy read, but worth the effort.
.
Now remembering the Moorhouse vid and what happens come next Jan, with even more costs to UK business, what will the economy be like next year, and the year after that as these losses compound?
.
.
Ed to add
GTR Global Trade Review
gtreview.com/about-us/
Not a bunch of flakes.
Desperate to prove yourself right aren’t you?
It took 40 odd years to reach where we were in the EU yet you think leaving should be sorted in a few months?
Sounds a bit irrational to me.
Then of course we have the idea that leaving was about principles or beliefs rather than simple economics.
Seems to be going quite well to me
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Monkey241:
Desperate to prove yourself right aren’t you?
Any “desperation” is a matter between me and my psychiatrist.
If you wish to help him via your diagnosis, made over a post made on the internet, please go ahead. I expect his day needs cheering up. 
Monkey241:
Seems to be going quite well to me
If you think the figures supplied are inaccurate, please explain why?
If you think that the figures supplied are accurate and support that stance, then that is your judgment call.
In which case I will be treating your financial expertise as equal to your psychiatric skills.
The trouble with politicians is that they only last a few months on average, but do decades worth of damage during that short time.
Even an enemy soldier coming at you - would struggle to beat the long-term effects of being gently crushed over years of attrition…
If you even compare where Germany and Japan had recovered to by 1950 and compare it to Britain in 1950 - the difference is stark indeed…
Only we idiot Brits could spend our entire empire away, and ask for bugger all from the rest of the world in return.
Winseer:
Only we idiot Brits could spend our entire empire away, and ask for bugger all from the rest of the world in return.
Outstanding comment! Even by your standards, sir!
heres the queue for passport control at Madrid - for non EU citizens that is, from irvin welsh twitter.com/IrvineWelsh/status/ … 0586649604
and here from amsterdam, you can see the EU section on the left
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Desperate to prove yourself right aren’t you?Any “desperation” is a matter between me and my psychiatrist.
If you wish to help him via your diagnosis, made over a post made on the internet, please go ahead. I expect his day needs cheering up.Monkey241:
Seems to be going quite well to meIf you think the figures supplied are inaccurate, please explain why?
If you think that the figures supplied are accurate and support that stance, then that is your judgment call.
In which case I will be treating your financial expertise as equal to your psychiatric skills.
Dont worry Franglais, my psychiatrist says I am almost cured of my desperation! It can be beaten!
Winseer:
The trouble with politicians is that they only last a few months on average, but do decades worth of damage during that short time.Even an enemy soldier coming at you - would struggle to beat the long-term effects of being gently crushed over years of attrition…
If you even compare where Germany and Japan had recovered to by 1950 and compare it to Britain in 1950 - the difference is stark indeed…
Only we idiot Brits could spend our entire empire away, and ask for bugger all from the rest of the world in return.
Calling it “our empire” is a bit rich - someplace you have invaded, enslaved and robbed blind? We robbed everything we could and you want “reparations” for giving them back what we thieved?
On a grey Monday morning I laughed my socks off at this headline from that great trumpeter of Brexit, The Telegraph.
I haven’t read the article yet, as my eyes are still streaming with tears.
telegraph.co.uk/business/20 … k-economy/
Brexit Benefit !
Well, that`s what Truss and Johnson are saying…
4 minute video
youtu.be/npy-O5_yrOY
The UK will be able to send sheep meat to the USA again, so that looks very good.
The EU will as well, so it isn`t about Brexit is it? It would have been the same for us in or out.
Sending steel from EU to USA is to be easier.
Sending steel from UK to USA isnt. Why? Johnson, Frost and article 16 isnt to the Americans liking. So we would have had better access to the US if wed stayed in.
USA imports about 26,000k tons of steel per annum
USA imports about 120k tons sheep meat per annum
But never mind we are masters of our own destiny. (So long as others like our choices)
Come on you Brexit Fans !
Give us some REAL good news!
please…
Ahh so you’ve exhausted Covid and masks to the limit, now you’re reviving the pointless Brexit cack. 
Way to go Franglais.
At the risk if getting into a waste of time and effort debate,… since Brexit my pay has gone up considerably, to being about the best paid in the area, maybe not good news to you, but it is to me.
Result of, or some connection to Brexit or not…not bothered quite honestly. 
robroy:
Ahh so you’ve exhausted Covid and masks to the limit, now you’re reviving the pointless Brexit cack.
Way to go Franglais.At the risk if getting into a waste of time and effort debate,… since Brexit my pay has gone up considerably, to being about the best paid in the area, maybe not good news to you, but it is to me.
Result of, or some connection to Brexit or not…not bothered quite honestly.
My pay has increased lately too.
Yes, I think Brexit has been partly responsible.
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Now a while ago lots of people were saying we might have some short term economic hardship, because of Brexit, but in the longer term, we`d be better off.
Remember that?
Franglais:
robroy:
Ahh so you’ve exhausted Covid and masks to the limit, now you’re reviving the pointless Brexit cack.
Way to go Franglais.At the risk if getting into a waste of time and effort debate,… since Brexit my pay has gone up considerably, to being about the best paid in the area, maybe not good news to you, but it is to me.
Result of, or some connection to Brexit or not…not bothered quite honestly.My pay has increased lately too.
Yes, I think Brexit has been partly responsible.
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Partly?
That must have hurt
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Interesting though… the issue with UK steel exports occurred as a direct result of bloc membership.
So I wouldn’t claim that us leaving was negative in this scenario- at best you could argue a neutral effect (the ban being imposed cancels out the ban not being lifted)
Of course the USA historically has a hazily romantic view of the Troubles
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So, isnt it equally possible there will be short term gains, that will be lost later on? . And I for one have never said that there will be no gains at all in Brexit. I have been fairly....vocal?.... :smiley: .....saying that overall I reckon Brexit will be bad. I still see nothing to counter that view. Me having a few quid extra now, very nice as it is, isnt the same as expecting to be part of a sustainable national economy ten years from now.
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Some sectors will be long term winners of course. Customs officers, customs agents are increasingly needed, and when 2022 we start the extra import checks we will need more of them.
Yep, I fully accept some will be Brexit winners.
I don`t think the country will be in the long term. And when a national economy shrinks all the internals of that economy shrink.
