Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]

Monkey241:
We aren’t out of the ‘European Yuman Rights’ though are we?

True.

chrisdalott:
most people on this forum used to say how we would be able to send them all straight back as soon as we got out from the european yuman rites act

Also true.

(Although I havent done a full survey of posts, I concur with Chriss view of opinion here, others may differ)

Many also posted about other things that they wanted/imagined Brexit to be about. Many posted about the promises made by politicians, campaigners, etc as if they were actually some sort of coherent plan. They confused aspirations, wishes, dreams, and imagery, and the promises of politicians in power and those out of power, with reality.

Monkey241:

anon84679660:
As far as I can remember, last time I watched this guy’s video about Brexit, he was sort of praising Brexit, so what happened here?

youtube.com/watch?v=P0G3lYTOI0Q

Sort of?
Either he was…or he wasn’t.

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The real world is not simple black/white binary place.
Why can`t a writer have mixed views about any topic, including Brexit?

Franglais:

Monkey241:

anon84679660:
As far as I can remember, last time I watched this guy’s video about Brexit, he was sort of praising Brexit, so what happened here?

youtube.com/watch?v=P0G3lYTOI0Q

Sort of?
Either he was…or he wasn’t.

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The real world is not simple black/white binary place.
Why can`t a writer have mixed views about any topic, including Brexit?

Indeed.

Then why is the original poster attempting to portray it as another Brexiteer change of mind?

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Monkey241:
Then why is the original poster attempting to portray it as another Brexiteer change of mind?

Is he?
“he was sort of praising Brexit” Is that portraying someone as “a Brexiteer”?

Franglais:

Monkey241:
Then why is the original poster attempting to portray it as another Brexiteer change of mind?

Is he?
“he was sort of praising Brexit” Is that portraying someone as “a Brexiteer”?

Are we yet again engaging in wordplay?

You challenge me on my comment rather than pointing out to the poster that the world isn’t black and white?

How odd.

Or hypocritical.

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Franglais:

Monkey241:
We aren’t out of the ‘European Yuman Rights’ though are we?

True.

chrisdalott:
most people on this forum used to say how we would be able to send them all straight back as soon as we got out from the european yuman rites act

Also true.

(Although I havent done a full survey of posts, I concur with Chriss view of opinion here, others may differ)

Many also posted about other things that they wanted/imagined Brexit to be about. Many posted about the promises made by politicians, campaigners, etc as if they were actually some sort of coherent plan. They confused aspirations, wishes, dreams, and imagery, and the promises of politicians in power and those out of power, with reality.

Last para very apt. An accurate description of EU membership

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I voted out and would vote out again

Yes I’m the same. I’m personally financially better off and that’s why I voted leave. Just need the hauliers that were relying on the cheap foreign labour all go bankrupt and that would be the icing on the cake

I voted Leave and also did the walking delivering leaflets in the referendum campaign to Leave.
I never trusted the Party that took us into the EU scam to take us out of it and closet remainer Boris and his LibDem in all but name Party has proved that correct with this false Brexit.

“I’m sure that if Spain were a net contributor to the eu rather than being a net recipient then they would have blown the eu out years ago”
Harry Monk in Ejecting Card thread.
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Why say that Harry?
For what it’s worth surveys seem to say most Europeans are more content than not with EU.

A few UK papers always talk about the imminent collapse of the EU. They have been saying the same thing but providing no evidence that I remember. Wishful thinking on their owner’s and editor’s part. Opinion masquerading as news.

But if there is an underlying reason you think the Spanish want out, what is it?

Franglais:
“I’m sure that if Spain were a net contributor to the eu rather than being a net recipient then they would have blown the eu out years ago”
Harry Monk in Ejecting Card thread.
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Why say that Harry?
For what it’s worth surveys seem to say most Europeans are more content than not with EU.

A few UK papers always talk about the imminent collapse of the EU. They have been saying the same thing but providing no evidence that I remember. Wishful thinking on their owner’s and editor’s part. Opinion masquerading as news.

But if there is an underlying reason you think the Spanish want out, what is it?

Did you miss the comment about new recipient etc…?

Would Poland be quite so understanding about its current judicial interviews if it paid more in than it got out?

In the same way the Spanish issue is a hypothetical

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Monkey241:

Franglais:
“I’m sure that if Spain were a net contributor to the eu rather than being a net recipient then they would have blown the eu out years ago”
Harry Monk in Ejecting Card thread.
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Why say that Harry?
For what it’s worth surveys seem to say most Europeans are more content than not with EU.

A few UK papers always talk about the imminent collapse of the EU. They have been saying the same thing but providing no evidence that I remember. Wishful thinking on their owner’s and editor’s part. Opinion masquerading as news.

But if there is an underlying reason you think the Spanish want out, what is it?

Did you miss the comment about new recipient etc…?

Would Poland be quite so understanding about its current judicial interviews if it paid more in than it got out?

In the same way the Spanish issue is a hypothetical

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If you are arguing that in a parallel universe, where things are different, things would be different?
You are quite possibly correct.

Franglais:

Monkey241:

Franglais:
“I’m sure that if Spain were a net contributor to the eu rather than being a net recipient then they would have blown the eu out years ago”
Harry Monk in Ejecting Card thread.
.
Why say that Harry?
For what it’s worth surveys seem to say most Europeans are more content than not with EU.

A few UK papers always talk about the imminent collapse of the EU. They have been saying the same thing but providing no evidence that I remember. Wishful thinking on their owner’s and editor’s part. Opinion masquerading as news.

But if there is an underlying reason you think the Spanish want out, what is it?

Did you miss the comment about new recipient etc…?

Would Poland be quite so understanding about its current judicial interviews if it paid more in than it got out?

In the same way the Spanish issue is a hypothetical

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If you are arguing that in a parallel universe, where things are different, things would be different?
You are quite possibly correct.

No… that’s not what I was arguing.

Nor am I surprised you failed to follow the point
Plus ca change

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Franglais:

Monkey241:

Franglais:
“I’m sure that if Spain were a net contributor to the eu rather than being a net recipient then they would have blown the eu out years ago”
Harry Monk in Ejecting Card thread.
.
Why say that Harry?
For what it’s worth surveys seem to say most Europeans are more content than not with EU.

A few UK papers always talk about the imminent collapse of the EU. They have been saying the same thing but providing no evidence that I remember. Wishful thinking on their owner’s and editor’s part. Opinion masquerading as news.

But if there is an underlying reason you think the Spanish want out, what is it?

Did you miss the comment about new recipient etc…?

Would Poland be quite so understanding about its current judicial interviews if it paid more in than it got out?

In the same way the Spanish issue is a hypothetical

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If you are arguing that in a parallel universe, where things are different, things would be different?
You are quite possibly correct.

There were also similar ‘surveys’ that said most people were happy with living under the Soviet Union and the former Yugoslav regimes.
It’s all the politics of the Collective and people are not meant to live in an insect type system and society.
All moot with Boris’ fasle flag LibDem Party’s faux Brexit.
Under Boris’ anything but Brexit we now have the choice of South African fruit or nothing for some reason Spanish is off the menu which certainly wasn’t the case before 1973.
We still can’t import US or Australian vehicles, we are still tied to EU regulations which says EU approved imports or nothing, obviously except fruit for some reason, and we are obviously still paying a fortune to the EU as opposed to any EU contributions tax windfall for us.
French and Spanish shops are still full of the best British fish while we are still stuck with eating Hake and Haddock.
Any EU workers that want to stay can stay and the ECHR and ECJ still decide our immigration policy etc because EU law was signed into UK statute as part of the anything but exit ‘deal’.

> Carryfast:
> French and Spanish shops are still full of the best British fish while we are still stuck with eating Hake and Haddock.

Order from my local Fishmonger CF and you can get it next day - seriously good fish caught in Cornish Waters

Carryfast:

Franglais:

Monkey241:

Franglais:
“I’m sure that if Spain were a net contributor to the eu rather than being a net recipient then they would have blown the eu out years ago”
Harry Monk in Ejecting Card thread.
.
Why say that Harry?
For what it’s worth surveys seem to say most Europeans are more content than not with EU.

A few UK papers always talk about the imminent collapse of the EU. They have been saying the same thing but providing no evidence that I remember. Wishful thinking on their owner’s and editor’s part. Opinion masquerading as news.

But if there is an underlying reason you think the Spanish want out, what is it?

Did you miss the comment about new recipient etc…?

Would Poland be quite so understanding about its current judicial interviews if it paid more in than it got out?

In the same way the Spanish issue is a hypothetical

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If you are arguing that in a parallel universe, where things are different, things would be different?
You are quite possibly correct.

There were also similar ‘surveys’ that said most people were happy with living under the Soviet Union and the former Yugoslav regimes.
It’s all the politics of the Collective and people are not meant to live in an insect type system and society.
All moot with Boris’ fasle flag LibDem Party’s faux Brexit.
Under Boris’ anything but Brexit we now have the choice of South African fruit or nothing for some reason Spanish is off the menu which certainly wasn’t the case before 1973.
We still can’t import US or Australian vehicles, we are still tied to EU regulations which says EU approved imports or nothing, obviously except fruit for some reason, and we are obviously still paying a fortune to the EU as opposed to any EU contributions tax windfall for us.
French and Spanish shops are still full of the best British fish while we are still stuck with eating Hake and Haddock.
Any EU workers that want to stay can stay and the ECHR and ECJ still decide our immigration policy etc because EU law was signed into UK statute as part of the anything but exit ‘deal’.

What’s ECHR got to do with Brexit (that’s the law that ties our hands rather than any EU law)?

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Monkey241:
What’s ECHR got to do with Brexit (that’s the law that ties our hands rather than any EU law)?

ECHR = Council of Europe.
Council of Europe same EU flag same EU anthem.‘Different roles shared values’.
IE just an enlarged remit of the same centralised collective.
‘Democracy’ Soviet style.
coe.int/en/web/portal/european-union

Carryfast:
I voted Leave and also did the walking delivering leaflets in the referendum campaign to Leave.
I never trusted the Party that took us into the EU scam to take us out of it and closet remainer Boris and his LibDem in all but name Party has proved that correct with this false Brexit.

Closet remainer? Boris was the idiot on the bus with “350 million a week for the nhs”. What a gigantic numbnuts he is.

chrisdalott:
Brexit not being properly implemented has made it easier for small boat crossings to reach UK, refugees say

Refugees living in northern France say lack of Brexit enforcement, i.e. ‘drawbridge pulled up, channel policed with force’ has made it easier for them to reach the UK in small boats, as it emerged that record numbers of people crossed the Channel in one day.

Despite the worsening weather conditions and the lip service of the UK government’s attempts to deter them, 1,185 people made the crossing on Thursday, according to the Home Office. Strange how they know that number so exactly, and yet deportations remain resoundingly at, or near zero…

Refugees who have fled a variety of conflict zones including Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Eritrea told the Guardian they believed the fact the UK was no longer part of the EU made it more appealing to risk the dangerous crossings because they could no longer be sent back to other European countries under EU legislation. No questions got asked about those “Regugees” with the wrong accent for the country they are supposed to have come from - France, or French Africa.

In October 2020 Boris Johnson said Brexit would enable Britain to take back “full control of our money, our borders and our laws”.
It will indeed enable Britain to do these things - once Britain is no longer run by a lying, scheming politician like all the other liars over the years that say anything to get elected, then promptly put on the back burner all those things they promised to do, whilst bringing forward a whole bunch of expensive follies NONE of us voted for!!

Nevertheless, while the overall number of people fleeing conflict and claiming asylum in the UK has fallen to 31,115 in the last 12 months, the number crossing from France to the UK in small boats has risen sharply since the UK parted company from the EU.
fallen? - What? - for The biggest crock-‘o’-■■■■■ ever

Previously, when the UK was part of the EU, under a mechanism known as Dublin the UK could ask other EU countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries before reaching the UK. A loser, without rigid enforcement. Instead, our police only seem to know how to bump off defenceless ladies, rather than bording vessels mid-channel, busting everyone on board, including the skipper and so-called “Officials”, no doubt with people trafficers at large among them.

The UK could make “take charge” requests and officials were often able to prove that asylum seekers had passed through other countries thanks to the Eurodac fingerprint database. But since Brexit the UK no longer has access to that database, so it is harder to prove definitively which other European countries small boat arrivals to the UK have previously passed through. If if doubt - kick 'em out!

theguardian.com/politics/20 … fugees-say

funny that because most people on this forum used to say how we would be able to send them all straight back as soon as we got out from the european yuman rites act

Except we still seem to be languishing under EU legislation, with no Brexit representative at Westminster to continue holding the government’s feet to the fire over every bit of backsliding done since Boris-the-Pod’s Bun-in-the-Oven Deal.

Where’s the beefed-up coast guard vessels with the powers of deportation, arrest, imprisoning, and deadly force in the event of violent resistance by the people trafficing boat crews?

^^

I can’t see many traffickers engaging in hand to hand combat with the navy - they will be well out of the way.

And the number of refugees is pretty low - a thousand? There’s 60-70 million people already in the country, what difference does it make?