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tmcassett:
Unprecedented wage rises & bonuses across the industry! My April 2022 P60 will be several thousand more than my April 2021 one and I am in a good job that had good pay and hours before - is that solely down to Brexit, no, but it is a certainly a very large factor.

I have certainly said previously that Brexit is playing a part in the UK shortage of drivers. That shortage is putting my pay up too.
Very nice for us.
Whether the current pay rise is the start of an inflationary spiral is unsure of course. Whether pay increases will affect the UK on the world stage, time will tell.

tmcassett:
Oddly enough though you are selective about which stories you post links to. I don’t recall you posting any links to stories about the positive wage rises nor the recent UK/US/AUS deal.

You want more positive Brexit links? Find them and post them.
Please find them. Don`t keep asking me to do it! :smiley:

Brexit/Aus ?
trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewto … a#p2757147
A deal now signed that largely lets Aus farmers undercut the UK farmers. It has been covered, but I doubt many (outside of agri-futures traders with Aus investments) regard it as good news for the UK?

Brexit/USA trade deal…nope. Cant find much, probably because that deal is currently as alive as the promised Brexit unicorn revival. Maybe the unicorns drank some river water? If any future deal is as good as the Aus and NZ deals that the Gov have caved int.....sorry, *have skilfully negotiated*, then lets all celebrate!

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And of course had we stayed in the EU our farmers would have had nothing to fear from the EU-South America trade deal

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Mazzer2:
Depends on your view I view wage increases as a good thing perhaps you were happy with an oversupply of cheap labour keeping wages down in many sectors not just haulage, the wage increases that do seem high now are only what is owed after years of paltry or no real wage increase due to the way business relied on cheap labour instead of investing in technology which could go some way to explaining our poor level of GDP

What’s this■■?
I agree 100% !
Shock! Shock! Horror! Horror!
:smiley: :smiley: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :smiley: :smiley:

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wakou:

Mazzer2:
Depends on your view I view wage increases as a good thing perhaps you were happy with an oversupply of cheap labour keeping wages down in many sectors not just haulage, the wage increases that do seem high now are only what is owed after years of paltry or no real wage increase due to the way business relied on cheap labour instead of investing in technology which could go some way to explaining our poor level of GDP

What’s this■■?
I agree 100% !
Shock! Shock! Horror! Horror!
:smiley: :smiley: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :smiley: :smiley:

Lol it does happen from time to time put a note in the diary :smiley: :smiley:

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Mazzer2:
And of course had we stayed in the EU our farmers would have had nothing to fear from the EU-South America trade deal

Deal? What deal?
The one that has been in negotiations for years and still isn`t signed?

If, and when, it is signed, will it be good or bad for EU farmers? Should they be fearful?
Dunno, because it isn`t finalised.
What aspects do you think are troubling for the EU?

Yep, the UK has done some quick deals, doesnt mean they are good does it? We can fairly call them a success if they are better than EU deals cant we? Just having a deal signed means nowt if it is of no benefit.

Can you point to the advantages of the new deals we have, over the old EU deals we walked away from?
Go on, make tmcassett`s day! Give him a link to a Brexit bonus.

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Franglais:

tmcassett:
Unprecedented wage rises & bonuses across the industry! My April 2022 P60 will be several thousand more than my April 2021 one and I am in a good job that had good pay and hours before - is that solely down to Brexit, no, but it is a certainly a very large factor.

I have certainly said previously that Brexit is playing a part in the UK shortage of drivers. That shortage is putting my pay up too.
Very nice for us.
Whether the current pay rise is the start of an inflationary spiral is unsure of course. Whether pay increases will affect the UK on the world stage, time will tell.

tmcassett:
Oddly enough though you are selective about which stories you post links to. I don’t recall you posting any links to stories about the positive wage rises nor the recent UK/US/AUS deal.

You want more positive Brexit links? Find them and post them.
Please find them. Don`t keep asking me to do it! :smiley:

Brexit/Aus ?
trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewto … a#p2757147
A deal now signed that largely lets Aus farmers undercut the UK farmers. It has been covered, but I doubt many (outside of agri-futures traders with Aus investments) regard it as good news for the UK?

Brexit/USA trade deal…nope. Cant find much, probably because that deal is currently as alive as the promised Brexit unicorn revival. Maybe the unicorns drank some river water? If any future deal is as good as the Aus and NZ deals that the Gov have caved int.....sorry, *have skilfully negotiated*, then lets all celebrate!

UK USA trade deal?

The ONLY people really interested in this are Remainers. There simply is no need for a deal as a matter of urgency.

Trade is quite healthy between the 2. But if it is so urgent… what happened with the EU USA deal?

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Franglais:

Mazzer2:
And of course had we stayed in the EU our farmers would have had nothing to fear from the EU-South America trade deal

Deal? What deal?
The one that has been in negotiations for years and still isn`t signed?

If, and when, it is signed, will it be good or bad for EU farmers? Should they be fearful?
Dunno, because it isn`t finalised.
What aspects do you think are troubling for the EU?

Yep, the UK has done some quick deals, doesnt mean they are good does it? We can fairly call them a success if they are better than EU deals cant we? Just having a deal signed means nowt if it is of no benefit.

Can you point to the advantages of the new deals we have, over the old EU deals we walked away from?
Go on, make tmcassett`s day! Give him a link to a Brexit bonus.

It would have been done and dusted had it not been for the amount of rain forest that was destroyed by the Brazilians in anticipation of the deal to make grazing land, so deal or no deal huge environmental damage done possibly for nothing. The Irish beef industry was very concerned about the consequences of it, cheap beef coming in and putting them under pressure had we remained in it would have presented the same problems for the UK farmers.
As for your continual harping on about trade deals who knows how they will work out but as Monkey says trade is ticking over ok with the US, looking at Flexistowe it would appear that Brexit has had no impact on the import of cheap tat from the likes of China so tbh what’s the problem? (although it would be better if that fell of a cliff)
Look at the ONS figures for August then look at the 3 year trend imports from the EU are falling by about the same amount as our exports to them perhaps a readjustment of the market with products that would have been exported now being sold in their home markets, it also explains how big ticket items such as ships from Romania caused imports from the EU to rise not something that will happen every month. Over the 3 year period imports and exports have fell by roughly the same amount with imports from the EU showing the biggest drop considering that in this period covid has been present for half of it and the UK leaving the EU has also happened the changes are not massive or anywhere near the doom and gloom predictions

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Monkey241:
s all celebrate!
UK USA trade deal?

The ONLY people really interested in this are Remainers. There simply is no need for a deal as a matter of urgency.

Trade is quite healthy between the 2. But if it is so urgent… what happened with the EU USA deal?

Wow! A class act in gas-lighting! Or is it “sour grapes”?
news.sky.com/story/donald-trump … l-11771336
channel4.com/news/boris-joh … trade-deal
cnbc.com/2017/03/29/farage- … 021-09-14/
theguardian.com/politics/20 … ear-dashed

"When Johnson was asked on Tuesday whether he still hoped to strike a free-trade agreement with the US by the time of the next general election, opening the way to lower tariffs and a closer economic relationship, he said “we’re going as fast as we can”
Sept `21

Truss, Johnson, Farage, all talking about UK / US trade deals. That Johnson quote was Sept this year.
Then when it has become apparent that they aren`t about be handed to the UK on a plate…as if they ever were…it is, sez you, not quite so important.

“Healthy” trade?
“The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with United Kingdom was $21.8 billion in 2019.”
ustr.gov/countries-regions/euro … ed-kingdom
Yep, guess there is no rush for the US to change the pattern of trade is there. They`ll be happy enough to carry on.

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Franglais:

Monkey241:
s all celebrate!
UK USA trade deal?

The ONLY people really interested in this are Remainers. There simply is no need for a deal as a matter of urgency.

Trade is quite healthy between the 2. But if it is so urgent… what happened with the EU USA deal?

Wow! A class act in gas-lighting! Or is it “sour grapes”?
news.sky.com/story/donald-trump … l-11771336
channel4.com/news/boris-joh … trade-deal
cnbc.com/2017/03/29/farage- … 021-09-14/
theguardian.com/politics/20 … ear-dashed

"When Johnson was asked on Tuesday whether he still hoped to strike a free-trade agreement with the US by the time of the next general election, opening the way to lower tariffs and a closer economic relationship, he said “we’re going as fast as we can”
Sept `21

Truss, Johnson, Farage, all talking about UK / US trade deals. That Johnson quote was Sept this year.
Then when it has become apparent that they aren`t about be handed to the UK on a plate…as if they ever were…it is, sez you, not quite so important.

“Healthy” trade?
“The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with United Kingdom was $21.8 billion in 2019.”
ustr.gov/countries-regions/euro … ed-kingdom
Yep, guess there is no rush for the US to change the pattern of trade is there. They`ll be happy enough to carry on.

Don’t confuse political optics - ie politicians trying to deflect Remain carping- with grass roots Brexit support.

A trade deal with the US is a political flourish, not an economic necessity.

I’ll ask again… why did the EU never seal theirs (the Commission wanted it) if its such a necessity?

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As for your figures on US trade, yet again you’re either wilfully blind.
Or just disingenuous

Incidentally do trade deals generally change the pattern of trade? Or are they usually far less radical than you’re pretending?

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Odd that in all your source searching you’re unfamiliar with this issue:

ft.com/content/82ebed88-9ed … 2067fbf946

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Franglais:
You want more positive Brexit links? Find them and post them.
Please find them. Don`t keep asking me to do it! :smiley:

No need for me to post links or expect you to find them, my point is … its happened! Time to get over it like the rest of us have.

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oh dear, what happened here?

it wasn’t supposed to be like this, was it?

youtube.com/watch?v=gPb11xHqgPY

I like this comment:

“Ive looked after you all your life, why did you bite me?”

“because I’m a snake”

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I’m beginning to wonder whether Full Brexit will ever happen.

With import controls put back to July next year and Her Majesties Clowns threatening to throw Northern Ireland under the bus & invoke Article 16, it could be years before we actually get Full Brexit.

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whisperingsmith:
I’m beginning to wonder whether Full Brexit will ever happen.

With import controls put back to July next year and Her Majesties Clowns threatening to throw Northern Ireland under the bus & invoke Article 16, it could be years before we actually get Full Brexit.

How does it throw NI under the bus?

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As far as I can remember, last time I watched this guy’s video about Brexit, he was sort of praising Brexit, so what happened here?

youtube.com/watch?v=P0G3lYTOI0Q

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anon84679660:
As far as I can remember, last time I watched this guy’s video about Brexit, he was sort of praising Brexit, so what happened here?

youtube.com/watch?v=P0G3lYTOI0Q

Sort of?
Either he was…or he wasn’t.

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Brexit has made it easier for small boat crossings to reach UK, refugees say

Refugees living in northern France say Brexit has made it easier for them to reach the UK in small boats, as it emerged that record numbers of people crossed the Channel in one day.

Despite the worsening weather conditions and the UK government’s attempts to deter them, 1,185 people made the crossing on Thursday, according to the Home Office.

Refugees who have fled a variety of conflict zones including Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Eritrea told the Guardian they believed the fact the UK was no longer part of the EU made it more appealing to risk the dangerous crossings because they could no longer be sent back to other European countries under EU legislation.

In October 2020 Boris Johnson said Brexit would enable Britain to take back “full control of our money, our borders and our laws”.

Nevertheless, while the overall number of people fleeing conflict and claiming asylum in the UK has fallen to 31,115 in the last 12 months, the number crossing from France to the UK in small boats has risen sharply since the UK parted company from the EU.

Previously, when the UK was part of the EU, under a mechanism known as Dublin the UK could ask other EU countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries before reaching the UK.

The UK could make “take charge” requests and officials were often able to prove that asylum seekers had passed through other countries thanks to the Eurodac fingerprint database. But since Brexit the UK no longer has access to that database, so it is harder to prove definitively which other European countries small boat arrivals to the UK have previously passed through.

theguardian.com/politics/20 … fugees-say

funny that because most people on this forum used to say how we would be able to send them all straight back as soon as we got out from the european yuman rites act

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chrisdalott:
Brexit has made it easier for small boat crossings to reach UK, refugees say

Refugees living in northern France say Brexit has made it easier for them to reach the UK in small boats, as it emerged that record numbers of people crossed the Channel in one day.

Despite the worsening weather conditions and the UK government’s attempts to deter them, 1,185 people made the crossing on Thursday, according to the Home Office.

Refugees who have fled a variety of conflict zones including Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Eritrea told the Guardian they believed the fact the UK was no longer part of the EU made it more appealing to risk the dangerous crossings because they could no longer be sent back to other European countries under EU legislation.

In October 2020 Boris Johnson said Brexit would enable Britain to take back “full control of our money, our borders and our laws”.

Nevertheless, while the overall number of people fleeing conflict and claiming asylum in the UK has fallen to 31,115 in the last 12 months, the number crossing from France to the UK in small boats has risen sharply since the UK parted company from the EU.

Previously, when the UK was part of the EU, under a mechanism known as Dublin the UK could ask other EU countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries before reaching the UK.

The UK could make “take charge” requests and officials were often able to prove that asylum seekers had passed through other countries thanks to the Eurodac fingerprint database. But since Brexit the UK no longer has access to that database, so it is harder to prove definitively which other European countries small boat arrivals to the UK have previously passed through.

theguardian.com/politics/20 … fugees-say

funny that because most people on this forum used to say how we would be able to send them all straight back as soon as we got out from the european yuman rites act

Why would Brexit possibly effect migration?

It’s almost as if me changing my mind about agreeing to clean the fish pond, not getting around to putting up those shelves as I promised, and criticising my wife’s housekeeping, could possibly affect my conjugal rights?

Anyway don’t we need more workers in this country? We even have MPs bravely working multiple jobs to keep the country going!

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chrisdalott:
Brexit has made it easier for small boat crossings to reach UK, refugees say

Refugees living in northern France say Brexit has made it easier for them to reach the UK in small boats, as it emerged that record numbers of people crossed the Channel in one day.

Despite the worsening weather conditions and the UK government’s attempts to deter them, 1,185 people made the crossing on Thursday, according to the Home Office.

Refugees who have fled a variety of conflict zones including Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Eritrea told the Guardian they believed the fact the UK was no longer part of the EU made it more appealing to risk the dangerous crossings because they could no longer be sent back to other European countries under EU legislation.

In October 2020 Boris Johnson said Brexit would enable Britain to take back “full control of our money, our borders and our laws”.

Nevertheless, while the overall number of people fleeing conflict and claiming asylum in the UK has fallen to 31,115 in the last 12 months, the number crossing from France to the UK in small boats has risen sharply since the UK parted company from the EU.

Previously, when the UK was part of the EU, under a mechanism known as Dublin the UK could ask other EU countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries before reaching the UK.

The UK could make “take charge” requests and officials were often able to prove that asylum seekers had passed through other countries thanks to the Eurodac fingerprint database. But since Brexit the UK no longer has access to that database, so it is harder to prove definitively which other European countries small boat arrivals to the UK have previously passed through.

theguardian.com/politics/20 … fugees-say

funny that because most people on this forum used to say how we would be able to send them all straight back as soon as we got out from the european yuman rites act

We aren’t out of the ‘European Yuman Rights’ though are we?

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