EU is just an excuse for nation state governments to pass the buck, and ■■■■ smaller EU countries of their work force.
Tories did it before by giving away our fishing waters under Major and then subsequently saying the EU took them, which was false. What was true however is we’d have to leave to get them back.
I voted leave because I want France to stay French, Italy to stay Italian etc, I respect their national cultures as much as I respect my own. Funny, cos I still get called xenophobic, work that one out…
EU money built all Spain’s roads but they still have a toll on every ■■■■ one ■■■■■■ their own people of their hard earned money, in a country that has issues with youth unemployment… same with Greece…
The only valid reason for staying in the EU was to be a collective force against China, but since most remainers couldn’t give two hoots about China anyway they haven’t a leg to stand on.
To much German business in China for the EU to give a hoot about what China’s ambitions are and the human rights abuses that go in there, Volkswagen didn’t condemn the the treatment of the Uighurs in Xinjiang Province just stated that it didn’t employ any as far it knew and non of it’s components came from the Uighur camps
New Zealand trade deal ‘another nail in the coffin’ of UK mussels industry
The New Zealand trde deal is another “nail in the coffin” of British mussels farmers, who have warned they face being forced out of business by a combination of cheap imports and Brexit.
Government Says Brexit Deal With New Zealand Worth Nothing
Despite hailing another brexit trade agreement, with New Zealand this time, the governement’s own published data shows that we do not expect to get any boost in trade at all from the deal. The government’s assessment even says that our farming sector will lose out, there will be public health risks, and that jobs will be lost in the UK.
Both the Mail on Sunday and the Daily Express are hard brexit papers who have published a recent article attacking the impacts of the brexit they campaigned for. An indication that their readers are no longer full of the joy of brexit that was once the case. A sign that the tide is turning, albeit slowly?
Franglais:
Surprised no one is talking about the post Brexit trade deal with New Zealand?
No because 99.9% of us have moved on with the result and got on with our lives. Irrelevant of which way you voted, we left and its not going to change, so stop whinging like a little ■■■■■ and accept it. Some things will change for the better, some things will change for the worse - end of.
Well, I’m not whinging about people posting on the subject of Brexit on, wait for it,the “Brexit Thread”!
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So, nil points for intelligence and relevance.
And nil points for thinking it’s all over when the negotiations are still ongoing in many areas.
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But bonus marks for silly and childish name calling. I guess you and Mazzer are dead chuffed at how politically astute that “post of the year” is.
Well done. [emoji3]
There is a certain irony when someone who cannot accept a democratic vote after over 5 years and continues to post link after link of supposed doom and destruction then uses the word “childish” to describe another poster!
Mazzer2:
To much German business in China for the EU to give a hoot about what China’s ambitions are and the human rights abuses that go in there, Volkswagen didn’t condemn the the treatment of the Uighurs in Xinjiang Province just stated that it didn’t employ any as far it knew and non of it’s components came from the Uighur camps
Johnson the self declared Sinophile didn`t seem to think that “occasional political differences” need stand in the way of trade:
"The UK is seeking to strengthen its economic and trade links with China after Boris Johnson stated he was “fervently Sinophile” and determined to improve ties “whatever the occasional political difficulties”.
The prime minister’s remarks at a Downing Street roundtable with Chinese businesses are likely to infuriate backbenchers in his Conservative party who want the government to take a tougher approach to Beijing’s human rights abuses.
Johnson also signalled that he wanted a resumption of formal trade discussions between the two countries by reactivating two forums – the Economic and Financial Dialogue, an annual discussion between the two countries, and the China-UK Joint Trade and Economic Commission (Jetco). Both had been suspended in response to China’s repression of civil rights in the former UK colony of Hong Kong.
(Guardian Feb 2021)
Yep, business and monies speak with a loud voice all over the place.
Franglais:
Surprised no one is talking about the post Brexit trade deal with New Zealand?
No because 99.9% of us have moved on with the result and got on with our lives. Irrelevant of which way you voted, we left and its not going to change, so stop whinging like a little ■■■■■ and accept it. Some things will change for the better, some things will change for the worse - end of.
Well, I’m not whinging about people posting on the subject of Brexit on, wait for it,the “Brexit Thread”!
.
So, nil points for intelligence and relevance.
And nil points for thinking it’s all over when the negotiations are still ongoing in many areas.
.
But bonus marks for silly and childish name calling. I guess you and Mazzer are dead chuffed at how politically astute that “post of the year” is.
Well done. [emoji3]
There is a certain irony when someone who cannot accept a democratic vote after over 5 years and continues to post link after link of supposed doom and destruction then uses the word “childish” to describe another poster!
tmcassett:
someone who cannot accept a democratic vote
Meaning what exactly?
I vote for party “X” in a general election, party “Y” wins. I accept that is the outcome.
Does that mean I am unable to comment on the performance of party X when it is in Government?
tmcassett:
99.9% of us have moved on with the result
If a party gets voted in on a particular, manifesto then fails to deliver, do you just “move on”?
Well, you can just roll over if you want, I choose not to. Lies and false promises may mean nowt to you, so carry on ignoring what is happening if you want.
tmcassett:
link after link of supposed doom and destruction
I paste links so that the content can be seen and disputed of you wish.
If the links are of “doom and destruction”, that is your interpretation of them.
Tell me those links are inaccurate if you like. That is why they are there.
Tell me they will make things better for the country if you can.
Dont tell me to shut up because you dont like what I post. Show me where I am wrong.
Show us all how the links I have posted are either inaccurate, or (against your own interpretation) are a good thing for the UK.
Franglais:
Surprised no one is talking about the post Brexit trade deal with New Zealand?
No because 99.9% of us have moved on with the result and got on with our lives. Irrelevant of which way you voted, we left and its not going to change, so stop whinging like a little ■■■■■ and accept it. Some things will change for the better, some things will change for the worse - end of.
Well, I’m not whinging about people posting on the subject of Brexit on, wait for it,the “Brexit Thread”!
.
So, nil points for intelligence and relevance.
And nil points for thinking it’s all over when the negotiations are still ongoing in many areas.
.
But bonus marks for silly and childish name calling. I guess you and Mazzer are dead chuffed at how politically astute that “post of the year” is.
Well done. [emoji3]
There is a certain irony when someone who cannot accept a democratic vote after over 5 years and continues to post link after link of supposed doom and destruction then uses the word “childish” to describe another poster!
tmcassett:
someone who cannot accept a democratic vote
Meaning what exactly?
I vote for party “X” in a general election, party “Y” wins. I accept that is the outcome.
Does that mean I am unable to comment on the performance of party X when it is in Government?
tmcassett:
99.9% of us have moved on with the result
If a party gets voted in on a particular, manifesto then fails to deliver, do you just “move on”?
Well, you can just roll over if you want, I choose not to. Lies and false promises may mean nowt to you, so carry on ignoring what is happening if you want.
tmcassett:
link after link of supposed doom and destruction
I paste links so that the content can be seen and disputed of you wish.
If the links are of “doom and destruction”, that is your interpretation of them.
Tell me those links are inaccurate if you like. That is why they are there.
Tell me they will make things better for the country if you can.
Dont tell me to shut up because you dont like what I post. Show me where I am wrong.
Show us all how the links I have posted are either inaccurate, or (against your own interpretation) are a good thing for the UK.
Show you where you’re wrong?
I have to confess I haven’t looked at your links but consider the issue is over your definition of ‘wrong’.
You are determined to show that Brexit is wrong as if such a condition is absolute. What I wish to see from Brexit is probably in total contrast to what you think I want and what you perceive as ‘wrong’.
But let’s face it: your determination to win the debate on the ‘wrongness’ of Brexit is flawed on two levels.
You are 5 years late in your need for victory and then, as now, you lacked the basic skills to carry the debate through persuasion.
tmcassett:
someone who cannot accept a democratic vote
Meaning what exactly?
I vote for party “X” in a general election, party “Y” wins. I accept that is the outcome.
Does that mean I am unable to comment on the performance of party X when it is in Government?
tmcassett:
99.9% of us have moved on with the result
If a party gets voted in on a particular, manifesto then fails to deliver, do you just “move on”?
Well, you can just roll over if you want, I choose not to. Lies and false promises may mean nowt to you, so carry on ignoring what is happening if you want.
tmcassett:
link after link of supposed doom and destruction
I paste links so that the content can be seen and disputed of you wish.
If the links are of “doom and destruction”, that is your interpretation of them.
Tell me those links are inaccurate if you like. That is why they are there.
Tell me they will make things better for the country if you can.
Dont tell me to shut up because you dont like what I post. Show me where I am wrong.
Show us all how the links I have posted are either inaccurate, or (against your own interpretation) are a good thing for the UK.
It’s pretty simple - we live in a democratic society, we were given a vote, that vote happened and we got a result. No amount of whinging will change that so what are you hoping to achieve other than “discussion” as you say, because I do find it it interesting that you will only post links/stories to what you deem “negative” effects of Brexit rather than a balanced point of view. A lot of people who voted to leave were and are fully aware that there would be positives AND negatives to leaving.
As for the " do you just move on" comment then yes I do. I just make the most and best I can out of a situation that is out of my individual control - you should try it one day, you will feel a whole lot better in yourself rather than storing up all this bitterness and resent!
tmcassett:
because I do find it it interesting that you will only post links/stories to what you deem “negative” effects of Brexit rather than a balanced point of view.
I post links to news stories. You and others are invited to dispute their veracity, accuracy and effects. YOU have judged them to be “negative”.
Trustred:
Come on then, let’s hear your positives from brexit, you’ll be the first to list any so let’s hear them.
This is a forum: a place for discussion and debate. This is the “Brexit Thread”
Debate often is “An informal and spirited but generally civil discussion of opposing views.” (wiki)
Yknow, one person makes a statement of offers a point of view, and another person offers a differing or opposing one? It isnt common to see debates with one person writing two points of view. (Outside of theories some have on multiple account holders here)
(off topic bit
Since you fancy yourself as some form of psychologist:
tmcassett:
you should try it one day, you will feel a whole lot better in yourself rather than storing up all this bitterness and resent
I will say this of myself:
I enjoy discussing Brexit. I am not here looking for an “echo chamber” where everyone agrees with me.
My levels of “bitterness and resentment” are quite within norms thank you. The medication is effective, and my strait-jacket is off for even longer these days.)
We are now free and have the sovereignty to dump raw sewage into rivers and the sea.
The amendment to stop this is up for debate and a vote in the House of Commons again on Wednesday, 27/10/21
Whichever way you voted in the election or referendum, please write to your MP TODAY and tell him or her to vote for the amendment.
(Amendment 45)
Here is a list of how they voted last time (Weds 20/10/21) How they voted
Franglais:
So, any comment, about Brexit benefits?
Unprecedented wage rises & bonuses across the industry! My April 2022 P60 will be several thousand more than my April 2021 one and I am in a good job that had good pay and hours before - is that solely down to Brexit, no, but it is a certainly a very large factor.
Franglais:
I post links to news stories. You and others are invited to dispute their veracity, accuracy and effects. YOU have judged them to be “negative”.
Oddly enough though you are selective about which stories you post links to. I don’t recall you posting any links to stories about the positive wage rises nor the recent UK/US/AUS deal.
@tmcasset
The Black Death was largely responsible for the end of feudalism in 12th/13th Century England. This was a good thing. But nobody VOTED for the plague, or would choose it.
Likewise, Brexit has led to shortages in certain sectors, (haulage being one of them) and wage increases. It’s the economy, innit?
It does not mean that it was a good idea.
wakou: @tmcasset
The Black Death was largely responsible for the end of feudalism in 12th/13th Century England. This was a good thing. But nobody VOTED for the plague, or would choose it.
Likewise, Brexit has led to shortages in certain sectors, (haulage being one of them) and wage increases. It’s the economy, innit?
It does not mean that it was a good idea.
Depends on your view I view wage increases as a good thing perhaps you were happy with an oversupply of cheap labour keeping wages down in many sectors not just haulage, the wage increases that do seem high now are only what is owed after years of paltry or no real wage increase due to the way business relied on cheap labour instead of investing in technology which could go some way to explaining our poor level of GDP
wakou:
We are now free and have the sovereignty to dump raw sewage into rivers and the sea.
The amendment to stop this is up for debate and a vote in the House of Commons again on Wednesday, 27/10/21
Whichever way you voted in the election or referendum, please write to your MP TODAY and tell him or her to vote for the amendment.
(Amendment 45)
Here is a list of how they voted last time (Weds 20/10/21) How they voted
What legislation currently allows this dumping?
I’ll give you a clue…introduced whilst EU members and such dumping was part of that legislation
wakou: @tmcasset
The Black Death was largely responsible for the end of feudalism in 12th/13th Century England. This was a good thing. But nobody VOTED for the plague, or would choose it.
Likewise, Brexit has led to shortages in certain sectors, (haulage being one of them) and wage increases. It’s the economy, innit?
It does not mean that it was a good idea.
Brexit had LED to shortages in haulage?
Loaded language there…
Playing with words does not make the representation honest
