Monkey241:
Only a Remainer could interpret NOT finding a 50 as LOSING a 50.
I saw what…
You did there.
Kwaliteee.
yourhavingalarf:
Monkey241:
Only a Remainer could interpret NOT finding a 50 as LOSING a 50.I saw what…
You did there.
Kwaliteee.
You did?
Given the smoke and mirrors employed I’m clearly in the presence of greatness.
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I nearly put this in the pay rise/driver shortage/ etc threads but here it is anyway.
Flagging out and exports (of jobs) ?
standard.co.uk/business/uk- … 46160.html
Franglais:
I nearly put this in the pay rise/driver shortage/ etc threads but here it is anyway.
Flagging out and exports (of jobs) ?
standard.co.uk/business/uk- … 46160.html
Sabre rattling. End of story. NEXT!
Explain how a poll of 16 companies suddenly becomes 50% of UK hauliers, 16 companies polled of which over half said they expected or were experiencing delays so 10 out of 16 companies?
Mazzer2:
Explain how a poll of 16 companies suddenly becomes 50% of UK hauliers, 16 companies polled of which over half said they expected or were experiencing delays so 10 out of 16 companies?
Youre quite correct, I think, that the first line in that piece is incomplete, and should have read "of those surveyed". That phrase isnt missing when it discusses (of those surveyed)
81% saw increased border crossing times
69% say more admin
56% have or are considering moving some operations abroad (Which was my main point)
“A further 19% said they have dealt with the issues faced by no longer doing business with EU companies.”
And of course the “fat lady” is still not even warming up yet:
“Full border inspections will begin on January 1 2022, and the report found 69% of hauliers expect to be further negatively affected by the change.”
msgyorkie:
Franglais:
I nearly put this in the pay rise/driver shortage/ etc threads but here it is anyway.
Flagging out and exports (of jobs) ?
standard.co.uk/business/uk- … 46160.htmlSabre rattling. End of story. NEXT!
Give an article some thought and a make considered response?
or
Trot out an irrelevant and hackneyed phrase?
Youll have to do better to take over the vacancy left by Carryfast, you didnt manage to bring nuclear energy or the Chinese into your post. 
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Explain how a poll of 16 companies suddenly becomes 50% of UK hauliers, 16 companies polled of which over half said they expected or were experiencing delays so 10 out of 16 companies?You
re quite correct, I think, that the first line in that piece is incomplete, and should have read "of those surveyed". That phrase isnt missing when it discusses (of those surveyed)
81% saw increased border crossing times
69% say more admin56% have or are considering moving some operations abroad (Which was my main point)
“A further 19% said they have dealt with the issues faced by no longer doing business with EU companies.”And of course the “fat lady” is still not even warming up yet:
“Full border inspections will begin on January 1 2022, and the report found 69% of hauliers expect to be further negatively affected by the change.”
And how by moving their operations abroad will this negate the delays that they are currently seeing as someone who enters the UK on foreign plates believe me there is not a special fast track lane for us. It is in the Evening Standard which since 2016 has been one of the worst news outlets for predicting the end of the world due to Brexit remember the massive depression we had after the referendum predicted by it’s sister paper the London Evening Standard edited by someone with no axe to grind George Osborne, or the predicted massive drop in house prices, the Standard opposite end of the line to the Express and about as accurate
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Explain how a poll of 16 companies suddenly becomes 50% of UK hauliers, 16 companies polled of which over half said they expected or were experiencing delays so 10 out of 16 companies?You
re quite correct, I think, that the first line in that piece is incomplete, and should have read "of those surveyed". That phrase isnt missing when it discusses (of those surveyed)
81% saw increased border crossing times
69% say more admin56% have or are considering moving some operations abroad (Which was my main point)
“A further 19% said they have dealt with the issues faced by no longer doing business with EU companies.”And of course the “fat lady” is still not even warming up yet:
“Full border inspections will begin on January 1 2022, and the report found 69% of hauliers expect to be further negatively affected by the change.”And how by moving their operations abroad will this negate the delays that they are currently seeing as someone who enters the UK on foreign plates believe me there is not a special fast track lane for us. It is in the Evening Standard which since 2016 has been one of the worst news outlets for predicting the end of the world due to Brexit remember the massive depression we had after the referendum predicted by it’s sister paper the London Evening Standard edited by someone with no axe to grind George Osborne, or the predicted massive drop in house prices, the Standard opposite end of the line to the Express and about as accurate
The ES is choosing to report this survey whereas some other outlets wont bother, there I will agree with you. But it isnt the ES carrying out the survey.
No one has said that companies are moving some operations abroad to avoid border delays?
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Explain how a poll of 16 companies suddenly becomes 50% of UK hauliers, 16 companies polled of which over half said they expected or were experiencing delays so 10 out of 16 companies?You
re quite correct, I think, that the first line in that piece is incomplete, and should have read "of those surveyed". That phrase isnt missing when it discusses (of those surveyed)
81% saw increased border crossing times
69% say more admin56% have or are considering moving some operations abroad (Which was my main point)
“A further 19% said they have dealt with the issues faced by no longer doing business with EU companies.”And of course the “fat lady” is still not even warming up yet:
“Full border inspections will begin on January 1 2022, and the report found 69% of hauliers expect to be further negatively affected by the change.”And how by moving their operations abroad will this negate the delays that they are currently seeing as someone who enters the UK on foreign plates believe me there is not a special fast track lane for us. It is in the Evening Standard which since 2016 has been one of the worst news outlets for predicting the end of the world due to Brexit remember the massive depression we had after the referendum predicted by it’s sister paper the London Evening Standard edited by someone with no axe to grind George Osborne, or the predicted massive drop in house prices, the Standard opposite end of the line to the Express and about as accurate
The ES is choosing to report this survey whereas some other outlets won
t bother, there I will agree with you. But it isnt the ES carrying out the survey.
No one has said that companies are moving some operations abroad to avoid border delays?
Then why are they threatening to move abroad? If they are moving goods between Europe and the UK what difference does it make where they are based the problems are the same.
Mazzer2:
Then why are they threatening to move abroad? If they are moving goods between Europe and the UK what difference does it make where they are based the problems are the same.
I was going to waffle but frankly you have just made the point I was going to make far sharper than mine.
PS what has happened to Carryfart■■?
msgyorkie:
Mazzer2:
Then why are they threatening to move abroad? If they are moving goods between Europe and the UK what difference does it make where they are based the problems are the same.I was going to waffle but frankly you have just made the point I was going to make far sharper than mine.
PS what has happened to Carryfart■■?
The survey didnt ask why those respondents were thinking of going, so *Im guessing* in no particular order:
- Cabotage
- Driver wages… }
- Future dis-accord of rules and regs }
So, - More un-acc trailers
Franglais:
msgyorkie:
Mazzer2:
Then why are they threatening to move abroad? If they are moving goods between Europe and the UK what difference does it make where they are based the problems are the same.I was going to waffle but frankly you have just made the point I was going to make far sharper than mine.
PS what has happened to Carryfart■■?The survey didn
t ask why those respondents were thinking of going, so *Im guessing* in no particular order:
- Cabotage
- Driver wages… }
- Future dis-accord of rules and regs }
So,- More un-acc trailers
Come off it Franglais this survey is pure ■■■■■■■■ 16 hauliers polled somehow equates to 50% of UK hauliers they don’t know why they’re moving but it’s not to do with delays due to Brexit in which case why did they not move 10 years ago? Are they going to set up in country as yet unknown to compete against their domestic market? Well good luck with that.I would never defend the likes of the Express or Farage when it comes to Brexit yet you seem happy to defend something that is at the other end of the scale.
Cabotage if they are in the UK as a UK haulier then cabotage is not an issue very few UK hauliers doing cabotage in Europe so how many of the 16 polled are doing that close to zero I would say.
Drivers wages so they don’t want to pay the going rate and are going to abroad so as to able source the cheapest drivers possible if that is their attitude then perhaps they are best gone and hopefully they slam their arse in the door on their flounce out.
Future changes to rules well no rules are set in stone even the EU changes rules from time to time.
Unaccompnaied trailers is hardly going to make you relocate your complete operation from one country to another.
As I said ■■■■■■■■ on an industrial scale.
Mazzer2:
Come off it Franglais this survey is pure [zb] 16 hauliers polled somehow equates to 50% of UK hauliers they don’t know why they’re moving but it’s not to do with delays due to Brexit in which case why did they not move 10 years ago? Are they going to set up in country as yet unknown to compete against their domestic market? Well good luck with that.I would never defend the likes of the Express or Farage when it comes to Brexit yet you seem happy to defend something that is at the other end of the scale.
Cabotage if they are in the UK as a UK haulier then cabotage is not an issue very few UK hauliers doing cabotage in Europe so how many of the 16 polled are doing that close to zero I would say.
Drivers wages so they don’t want to pay the going rate and are going to abroad so as to able source the cheapest drivers possible if that is their attitude then perhaps they are best gone and hopefully they slam their arse in the door on their flounce out.
Future changes to rules well no rules are set in stone even the EU changes rules from time to time.
Unaccompnaied trailers is hardly going to make you relocate your complete operation from one country to another.
As I said [zb] on an industrial scale.
Depending on the size of the 16 polled it could easily be 50% of UK foreign traffic as a moments thought would show. Im not saying it is, but you seem overly confident in your assertion it cant be. But as I already said the article, not necessarily the survey was wrong in its phraseology.
How many UK companies do/don`t do Cabotage then?
Cabotage is now what UK tour companies will be doing all the time. We are now a 3rd country. Moves from Fr, to D, or NL will in future be Cabotage for us. We are a 3rd country so effectively all of the EU is one country to us. Previously a move from Fr to D would have been a cross border move. Not any longer.
Future changes and divergence is the whole point of Brexit.
I did say companies would move their operations abroad. That was wrong of me. I should have said companies will move parts of their operations abroad.
You want companies to move work and jobs abroad and shout good riddance to them? Carry on then.
The likes of Stobart are using trucks plated in Romania. But their operation has been running for a good while so it’s not them. Nationality of drivers - i don’t know.
Last week i encountered a Russian and a Belarus national’s driving Polish plated trucks and a Moldovan driving an LV truck for a Danish company.
There are reports in the French transport press of drivers from Belarus being away for 9 weeks and paid 300 e a month. When the company is fined, the company abandons the vehicle and driver.
routiers.com/pagetype.asp?r … enum=56275
How is a UK company going to be able to compete with this race to the bottom ?
It would be interesting to know just which companies were asked to take the survey .
If a UK transport company can get to grips with the import / export paperwork then there is probably more profit and less risk/hassle so can load a cheaper ee haulier without the need to open a depot in Europe. Not good for UK drivers but that’s Brexit for you.
Still waiting for my Unicorn by the way Boris.
Love the last but one line about Brexit. [emoji1787]
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OwenMoney:
The likes of Stobart are using trucks plated in Romania. But their operation has been running for a good while so it’s not them. Nationality of drivers - i don’t know.
Last week i encountered a Russian and a Belarus national’s driving Polish plated trucks and a Moldovan driving an LV truck for a Danish company.
There are reports in the French transport press of drivers from Belarus being away for 9 weeks and paid 300 e a month. When the company is fined, the company abandons the vehicle and driver.
routiers.com/pagetype.asp?r … enum=56275
How is a UK company going to be able to compete with this race to the bottom ?
It would be interesting to know just which companies were asked to take the survey .
If a UK transport company can get to grips with the import / export paperwork then there is probably more profit and less risk/hassle so can load a cheaper ee haulier without the need to open a depot in Europe. Not good for UK drivers but that’s Brexit for you.
Still waiting for my Unicorn by the way Boris.
Owen , you speak French don’t you ?
Or do you , fluently ?
Read the article again .
Isn’t this the same man that promissed us £350 millions per week for NHS, oven ready Brexit deal, the easiest deal in history, they need us more then we need them, German car makers won’t allow bad deal, and so on, if the country voted for Brexit?
And now this ?:
The rules only apply to YOU’: Social media explodes with memes at news that Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak wanted to use pilot testing scheme to avoid self-isolation before hasty U-turn
The pair were both pinged by Test and Trace but are not having to self-isolate
They were to use a little-known scheme which sees people get tested everyday
After just two-and-a-half hours of backlash, the pair have done a hasty U-turn
Social media users vented their anger because the scheme isn’t widely available
anon84679660:
Isn’t this the same man that promissed us £350 millions per week for NHS, oven ready Brexit deal, the easiest deal in history, they need us more then we need them, German car makers won’t allow bad deal, and so on, if the country voted for Brexit?And now this ?:
The rules only apply to YOU’: Social media explodes with memes at news that Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak wanted to use pilot testing scheme to avoid self-isolation before hasty U-turn
The pair were both pinged by Test and Trace but are not having to self-isolate
They were to use a little-known scheme which sees people get tested everyday
After just two-and-a-half hours of backlash, the pair have done a hasty U-turn
Social media users vented their anger because the scheme isn’t widely available
The joke was today when he started at Downing Street, then Chequers etc as they realised that he shouldn’t haven’t travelled under his own lockdown rules. Pillock
The UK government is telling councils to display EU flags across towns and cities in England as a condition for receiving high street Covid recovery cash.
Guidance issued to local authorities by the communities ministry this summer says the blue and yellow symbol of European unity is “required” to be displayed around “every piece of signage, pavement sticker, or temporary public realm adaption” funded under the scheme.
The requirement, which will see thousands of new EU flags posted on official buildings and in public places across the country, exists because the European Regional Development Fund has given money to the UK to help with the Covid-19 reopening.
The flag rule, imposed from Brussels but enforced from Whitehall, is embarrassing for ministers because they are keen to rid UK public buildings of EU flags, but do not want to turn down the Covid recovery cash.
Virtually every local authority in England is getting some of the cash, with the biggest recipient Leave-voting Birmingham, which has landed over £1 million in funding. 
Liberal Democrat frontbencher Christine Jardine said: “This shows the absurd hypocrisy of this Conservative government. They have spent years denouncing EU projects and pulling the UK out of funding schemes like this, and now they have the gall to trumpet a fund made possible by exactly the sort of European cooperation they are turning their backs on.”
More Details available from most reputable news media.