Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]

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Norfolkinclue1:

anon84679660:

the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?

I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.

Taxpayer Bribes Used to Simulate Brexit Jobs

As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed. But news of a new Nissan car battery plant has brexit supporters thinking it somehow backs up their claims, despite it still representing a huge net loss of jobs for the sector and the town of Sunderland. But it’s even worse than that as Boris Johnson has used taxpayer money to bribe Nissan to set the plant up

youtube.com/watch?v=axqzwkneW4Q

Where is this money to bribe companies coming from ?
NHS, perhaps, as there is not money to award promissed pay rise to all these nurses and doctors, to support the NHS, as we were promissed before the 2016 referendum.

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A channel run by Phil Moorhouse, extreme remainer, self confessed socialist and “staunch pro European”.

Highlights of his channel include….

How Corbyn can beat Brexit and win the general election”

I suggest people actually bother to look up these kinds of links, if only to clarify the “facts” they present.
With Juddian and his disgusting links it only served to expose a vile racist, this one is nothing more than deluded comedy gold.

Hkloss, you’re clearly desperate, but what’s worse is that you’ll try so hard to spin anything to your view, including what is clearly good news for those in desperate need of some sign of stability and hope in such times as we are in.

I suggest you give your remoaner head a wobble and stop posting links to such ridiculously biased sources.
I find your tone pathetic and frankly, deluded.
A pitiful troll……

The site is called “A Different Bias”. I think there may be a clue there?
His opinions are clear enough from the start, he isn`t trying to fool anyone is he?
The facts he presents are easy enough to check up on, and his interpretation of them is up to anyone to agree or disagree with.
Where is the problem with that?

"extreme remainer, self confessed socialist and “staunch pro European”
I don`t think socialism is a crime in the UK? Is it against the creed of any church? Why confess?
Neither is being “pro European” a sin.
At least in the UK where we still have freedom of speech.

“what is clearly good news for those in desperate need of some sign of stability and hope in such times as we are in.”
Definitely good news for those who get to have jobs. Such a pity that the present Gov is mismanaging the country so that we are desperate for good news and stability.

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Franglais:

Mazzer2:

anon84679660:

the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?

I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.

Taxpayer Bribes Used to Simulate Brexit Jobs

As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed. But news of a new Nissan car battery plant has brexit supporters thinking it somehow backs up their claims, despite it still representing a huge net loss of jobs for the sector and the town of Sunderland. But it’s even worse than that as Boris Johnson has used taxpayer money to bribe Nissan to set the plant up

youtube.com/watch?v=axqzwkneW4Q

Where is this money to bribe companies coming from ?
NHS, perhaps, as there is not money to award promissed pay rise to all these nurses and doctors, to support the NHS, as we were promissed before the 2016 referendum.

Think you’ll find the reason for the drop in car production is due to Covid and a chip shortage car plants all around the world are on reduced production.
Governments use subsidies all the time see previous post reference how we compare to other European countries or how the EU subsidises industry Airbus being a good example. I’m presuming you didn’t vote Labour at the last election because having read their manifesto you would have seen how keen they were on state aid.

Noremac:
It is a well known fact that governments provide grants or subsidies that contribute to society, socially and economically. I mean the railways are hugely subsidised every single year to the tune of many many many times the £100 million gifted to help set up the Sunderland plant

Airbus subsidies? Boeing alleges that defence and research contracts given to Airbus are hidden subsidies. I dont know of any lumps of cash given to them by any Gov? If Im wrong please correct me.
An EU Gov giving subsidies to an EU company seems different than giving subsidies to a foreign owned (mostly) company.

The breaks given to Nissan are not to keep a company afloat, but rather seem to be to set up in the UK rather than elsewhere.
If we were still in the EU, would those subsidies still have needed to be paid? I don`t know, as no-one can know, but I can see an argument for that.

Transport infrastructure and systems are seen as part of a Govs core responsibility in many countries,in the UK we see it as "subsidy" of a private business because the Gov took the privatisation route. We pay tax-payers money to private companies, that pay out dividends to share-holders. Ity is what happens true enough, but that doesnt make it right, and it isn`t a good example to follow IMHO.

Who said subsidies have to be cash? Ireland gives tax breaks to multi nationals to attract them so the UK is going to give a subsidy to enable a company to set up a new type of factory, any different to the green grants given by other countries to wind or solar factories.

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Mazzer2:
Who said subsidies have to be cash? Ireland gives tax breaks to multi nationals to attract them so the UK is going to give a subsidy to enable a company to set up a new type of factory, any different to the green grants given by other countries to wind or solar factories.

Green subsidies are given by many Govs for known reasons. Fine.
But as I asked,

Franglais:
If we were still in the EU, would those subsidies still have needed to be paid? I don`t know, as no-one can know, but I can see an argument for that.

Would we be spending this much if we were a better prospect for investment? Buying jobs may work in the short term, but is it sustainable? What will any future possible investors in the UK be asking for?
Getting investment by giving out subsidy isnt the same as making the UK an attractive place for a company to set up. We should be getting inward investment on our own terms, for a good future. Not handing out cash/giving tax breaks (where is the difference?) . Im not against state subsidies as such. They certainly have a place. I am saying this particular expense is probably caused by Brexit.
That Nissan is building a factory here is good, that we are having to sub them out so much isn`t.

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anon84679660:

the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?

I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.

Taxpayer Bribes Used to Simulate Brexit Jobs

As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed. But news of a new Nissan car battery plant has brexit supporters thinking it somehow backs up their claims, despite it still representing a huge net loss of jobs for the sector and the town of Sunderland. But it’s even worse than that as Boris Johnson has used taxpayer money to bribe Nissan to set the plant up

youtube.com/watch?v=axqzwkneW4Q

Where is this money to bribe companies coming from ?
NHS, perhaps, as there is not money to award promissed pay rise to all these nurses and doctors, to support the NHS, as we were promissed before the 2016 referendum.

After we joined the EU the car sector started to deplete in the UK
Look at Coventry, once a thriving car building city, where multiple
factories once stood now it is a hub of foreign students and shopping centres…

Brexit did not kill the car industry in the UK

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Beetlejuice:

anon84679660:

the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?

I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.

Taxpayer Bribes Used to Simulate Brexit Jobs

As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed. But news of a new Nissan car battery plant has brexit supporters thinking it somehow backs up their claims, despite it still representing a huge net loss of jobs for the sector and the town of Sunderland. But it’s even worse than that as Boris Johnson has used taxpayer money to bribe Nissan to set the plant up

youtube.com/watch?v=axqzwkneW4Q

Where is this money to bribe companies coming from ?
NHS, perhaps, as there is not money to award promissed pay rise to all these nurses and doctors, to support the NHS, as we were promissed before the 2016 referendum.

After we joined the EU the car sector started to deplete in the UK
Look at Coventry, once a thriving car building city, where multiple
factories once stood now it is a hub of foreign students and shopping centres…

Brexit did not kill the car industry in the UK

Here are a few figures that you can check up on.

Throughout our EU membership UK car Production was pretty steady:
UK Motor Vehicle Production by year 1910 to 1980 – cars and commercial vehicles (1,000 units)[98]
Year 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 1800 2000 2200 Total
1910 split not available 14
1920 split not available 70*
1930 170 67 237
1940 2 132 134
1950 523 263 785
1960 1,353 458 1,811
1970 1,641 458 2,098
1980 924 389 1,312
(* estimated figure)

UK Motor Vehicle Production by year 1990 to 2013 – cars and commercial vehicles (1,000 units)[99]
Year 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 1800 2000 Total
1990 1,296 270 1,566
1991 1,237 217 1,454
1992 1,292 248 1,540
1993 1,376 193 1,569
1994 1,467 228 1,695
1995 1,532 233 1,765
1996 1,686 238 1,924
1997 1,698 238 1,936
1998 1,748 227 1,976
1999 1,787 186 1,973
2000[100] 1,641 172 1,814
2001[100] 1,492 193 1,685
2002[100] 1,630 191 1,821
2003[100] 1,658 189 1,846
2004[100] 1,647 209 1,856
2005[100] 1,596 207 1,802
2006[100] 1,442 208 1,650
2007[100] 1,535 216 1,750
2008[100] 1,447 203 1,650
2009[100] 999 91 1,090
2010[100] 1,270 123 1,393
2011[101] 1,344 121 1,465
2012[102] 1,465 112 1,577
2013[103][104] 1,510 88 1,597
2014[105][106] 1,528 71 1,599
2015[107][108] 1,588 94 1,682
2016[88][109] 1,722 94 1,817

Link to see it clearer
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotiv … ed_Kingdom
Ups and downs, of course, but 2016 within a gnat`s crochet of the peak.

statista.com/statistics/298 … d-kingdom/

Downhill since 2016…

Hopefully, it will stop it`s fall soon.

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So Franglais would have the UK not at the forefront of the upcoming battery technology and production because, eh, he is not sure if the grant would have been paid if Brexit hadn’t happened.

Never mind the thousands of jobs, meaning people won’t be claiming benefits and paying into the system rather than taking.

£100 million is a drop in the ocean and the additional investment by Sunderland City Council on the required infrastructure also makes the whole thing viable.

So it seems Franglais would have the UK not contribute a penny to a project that wishes to invest in a relatively impoverished area of the UK, essentially for reasons of principle. Well, I wonder what the people of Sunderland think of that one.

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Noremac:
So Franglais would have the UK not at the forefront of the upcoming battery technology and production because, eh, he is not sure if the grant would have been paid if Brexit hadn’t happened.

Never mind the thousands of jobs, meaning people won’t be claiming benefits and paying into the system rather than taking.

£100 million is a drop in the ocean and the additional investment by Sunderland City Council on the required infrastructure also makes the whole thing viable.

So it seems Franglais would have the UK not contribute a penny to a project that wishes to invest in a relatively impoverished area of the UK, essentially for reasons of principle. Well, I wonder what the people of Sunderland think of that one.

As if there isnt enough in this world to be upset with, youve got to invent things??

Franglais:
More jobs in Sunderland looks good to me.

Franglais:
Im not against state subsidies as such. They certainly have a place. I am saying this particular expense is probably caused by Brexit. That Nissan is building a factory here is good, that we are having to sub them out so much isnt.

Just to be clear (if Im not already) I think more Sunderland jobs is good. Get it? I do think that if it wasnt for Brexit, we would have had those jobs without the current expense.

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Franglais:
More jobs in Sunderland looks good to me.

Franglais, you didn’t just make up a quote did you? Only I don’t see that in any of your posts.

Nissan would need support from any government. The idea of setting up a battery plant without government assistance is completely absurd.

Yeah, I get it, at one stage Nissan expressed concern over a no-deal brexit.

Oh, and Franglais, Brexit happened, get over it!

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Noremac:

Franglais:
More jobs in Sunderland looks good to me.

Franglais, you didn’t just make up a quote did you? Only I don’t see that in any of your posts.

Nissan would need support from any government. The idea of setting up a battery plant without government assistance is completely absurd.

Yeah, I get it, at one stage Nissan expressed concern over a no-deal brexit.

Oh, and Franglais, Brexit happened, get over it!

Re: Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]
Post by Franglais » Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:46 pm

Noremac:
“Yeah, I get it, at one stage Nissan expressed concern over a no-deal brexit.”
Which was not some imaginary, scare mongering invention, Greg Clark wrote a letter in Oct 2016 promising that Nissan would not be adversely affecting and committing up to £80m.

It isnt just me that has to get over the slap in the face the economy is suffering, it is the whole country. Yes, we have Brexit. And it is, like it or lump it, costing us money. Whether you think, as Maoster apparently does, that is money well spent is up to you of course. Giving up a free trade deal, with our biggest and nearest neighbours, and shouting out at the successes of negotiating inferior free trade deals with those further away, who are smaller trading partners is..... .....Im lost for words.*

*Hooray! I hear many say. :smiley:

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Franglais:

Mazzer2:
Who said subsidies have to be cash? Ireland gives tax breaks to multi nationals to attract them so the UK is going to give a subsidy to enable a company to set up a new type of factory, any different to the green grants given by other countries to wind or solar factories.

Green subsidies are given by many Govs for known reasons. Fine.
But as I asked,

Franglais:
If we were still in the EU, would those subsidies still have needed to be paid? I don`t know, as no-one can know, but I can see an argument for that.

Would we be spending this much if we were a better prospect for investment? Buying jobs may work in the short term, but is it sustainable? What will any future possible investors in the UK be asking for?
Getting investment by giving out subsidy isnt the same as making the UK an attractive place for a company to set up. We should be getting inward investment on our own terms, for a good future. Not handing out cash/giving tax breaks (where is the difference?) . Im not against state subsidies as such. They certainly have a place. I am saying this particular expense is probably caused by Brexit.
That Nissan is building a factory here is good, that we are having to sub them out so much isn`t.

Do you not think that other countries would have offered them incentives to set up? I’m sure if they had gone to Ireland the prospect of paying tax around the 2-3% rate for the duration of production would have been appealing they would have shopped around the same as other multi nationals do, where ever they set up there’s a fair chance they would have got a kickback in one form or another from the host country.

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Train companies pay franchise premiums to the government.They dont take all the money .

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Franglais:
Re: Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]
Post by Franglais » Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:46 pm

Noremac:
“Yeah, I get it, at one stage Nissan expressed concern over a no-deal brexit.”
Which was not some imaginary, scare mongering invention, Greg Clark wrote a letter in Oct 2016 promising that Nissan would not be adversely affecting and committing up to £80m.

It isnt just me that has to get over the slap in the face the economy is suffering, it is the whole country. Yes, we have Brexit. And it is, like it or lump it, costing us money. Whether you think, as Maoster apparently does, that is money well spent is up to you of course. Giving up a free trade deal, with our biggest and nearest neighbours, and shouting out at the successes of negotiating inferior free trade deals with those further away, who are smaller trading partners is..... .....Im lost for words.*

*Hooray! I hear many say.

Ok, I didn’t realise Nissan had been brought up previously. I read everything after hkloss posted a link, so my original comment obviously didn’t take into account that one comment you made, which I either didn’t read or had forgotten about.

So Franglais did say that more jobs in Sunderland would be good.

However, there is absolutely no need to turn a positive story into a negative one.

Not many people ever seem to bring this up Franglais, but you are in France for crying out loud. You are still in the EU!!

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Mazzer2:

Franglais:

Mazzer2:
Who said subsidies have to be cash? Ireland gives tax breaks to multi nationals to attract them so the UK is going to give a subsidy to enable a company to set up a new type of factory, any different to the green grants given by other countries to wind or solar factories.

Green subsidies are given by many Govs for known reasons. Fine.
But as I asked,

Franglais:
If we were still in the EU, would those subsidies still have needed to be paid? I don`t know, as no-one can know, but I can see an argument for that.

Would we be spending this much if we were a better prospect for investment? Buying jobs may work in the short term, but is it sustainable? What will any future possible investors in the UK be asking for?
Getting investment by giving out subsidy isnt the same as making the UK an attractive place for a company to set up. We should be getting inward investment on our own terms, for a good future. Not handing out cash/giving tax breaks (where is the difference?) . Im not against state subsidies as such. They certainly have a place. I am saying this particular expense is probably caused by Brexit.
That Nissan is building a factory here is good, that we are having to sub them out so much isn`t.

Do you not think that other countries would have offered them incentives to set up? I’m sure if they had gone to Ireland the prospect of paying tax around the 2-3% rate for the duration of production would have been appealing they would have shopped around the same as other multi nationals do, where ever they set up there’s a fair chance they would have got a kickback in one form or another from the host country.

I do agree that many countries would have liked a new factory. And there is competition amongst them to get such.
I do note that the Sunderland plant dates from 1984, when we were full members of the EU (in the form it had then).
And I still suggest that we would have got this current deal cheaper if we were still in said EU. As in 2016 we have had to go the extra bit further because companies don`t see us being outside as a good thing, not an insurmountable obstacle, but a problem none-the-less.

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Noremac:

Franglais:
Re: Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]
Post by Franglais » Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:46 pm

Noremac:
“Yeah, I get it, at one stage Nissan expressed concern over a no-deal brexit.”
Which was not some imaginary, scare mongering invention, Greg Clark wrote a letter in Oct 2016 promising that Nissan would not be adversely affecting and committing up to £80m.

It isnt just me that has to get over the slap in the face the economy is suffering, it is the whole country. Yes, we have Brexit. And it is, like it or lump it, costing us money. Whether you think, as Maoster apparently does, that is money well spent is up to you of course. Giving up a free trade deal, with our biggest and nearest neighbours, and shouting out at the successes of negotiating inferior free trade deals with those further away, who are smaller trading partners is..... .....Im lost for words.*

*Hooray! I hear many say.

Ok, I didn’t realise Nissan had been brought up previously. I read everything after hkloss posted a link, so my original comment obviously didn’t take into account that one comment you made, which I either didn’t read or had forgotten about.

So Franglais did say that more jobs in Sunderland would be good.

However, there is absolutely no need to turn a positive story into a negative one.

Not many people ever seem to bring this up Franglais, but you are in France for crying out loud. You are still in the EU!!

The world is not a binary place. Stories are generally more nuanced than positive or negative.
I did say (thanks for noting it) that the jobs were good, but I still say the price we are paying would probably have been less if we were still in the EU. Ive already given my reasons so wont repeat them.

You buy a new car: good news.
You pay more than the list price? Is it still so good?
Your bank balance is less, plus the next deal you`re looking for, the salesman will have you down as a soft touch, too.

And yes,I have been working towards retiring to France. Working from the UK, UK company, paying full UK PAYE, and NI, and compulsory Pension.

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WheelsofCardiff:
Train companies pay franchise premiums to the government.They dont take all the money .

True enough. It is a complex system with ups and downs, gains and losses.
But if any money is being taken out of what, in many countries, is seen as a national resource, and given away to investors, is that a good use of tax payers` monies?

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Mazzer2:

anon84679660:

the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?

I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.

Taxpayer Bribes Used to Simulate Brexit Jobs

As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed. But news of a new Nissan car battery plant has brexit supporters thinking it somehow backs up their claims, despite it still representing a huge net loss of jobs for the sector and the town of Sunderland. But it’s even worse than that as Boris Johnson has used taxpayer money to bribe Nissan to set the plant up

youtube.com/watch?v=axqzwkneW4Q

Where is this money to bribe companies coming from ?
NHS, perhaps, as there is not money to award promissed pay rise to all these nurses and doctors, to support the NHS, as we were promissed before the 2016 referendum.

Think you’ll find the reason for the drop in car production is due to Covid and a chip shortage car plants all around the world are on reduced production.
Governments use subsidies all the time see previous post reference how we compare to other European countries or how the EU subsidises industry Airbus being a good example. I’m presuming you didn’t vote Labour at the last election because having read their manifesto you would have seen how keen they were on state aid.

I have not checked what anybody else has written so far, Mazzer, so, partially yes, you are right Mazzer, you need to remember, those few companies that were supported by their governments, were getting a very light touch of support, all within the EU rules and regulations, the UK could have done the same, maybe even did the same, but what is now being done to thar Sunderland plant is being done on a massive , industrial scale, this would never have been allowed within the EU rules, there would never have been any need to throw all these UK taxpayers money to support a Japanese company, to stay here, and keep employing all those poor buggers that supported Brexit and lying BoJo.
Another difference, whatever companies were being lightly supported financially by some EU countries, all those were their own blue chip, national brand companies, what this government is now doing, is basically, keeping alive, otherwise uneconomical (due to Brexit) operation of a foreign, not even British, company.
Japanese are basically laughing their a.r.s.e.s off watching this circus, and just playing along while the free money, from the UK taxpayers, keeps coming in, and once it stops, Nissan is going to be out.
So, thanks to Brexit we have money to support Nissan, which if no Brexit would not be needed, and no money to support NHS, and give these nurses and doctors a well deserved pay rise

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Statement from Cllr Graeme Miller, Leader Sunderland City Council regarding the recent Nissan announcement, puts some perspective on where the money has come from.

I am not offering any comment or opinion.

Tyneside

I am delighted to share news about a hugely significant £1bn investment in Sunderland, creating and securing thousands of jobs here and across the North East.
After months of partnership working with Nissan, Envision Group and UK Government, I am thrilled to tell you that Sunderland has been chosen as the base of Nissan 36Zero, a £1bn flagship Electric Vehicle (EV) Hub that will create a world-first EV manufacturing ecosystem.
Comprised of three interconnected initiatives, Nissan EV36Zero brings together electric vehicles, renewable energy and battery production, setting a blueprint for the future of the automotive industry. The projects represent 6,500 jobs at Nissan and its UK suppliers, including more than 900 new Nissan jobs and 750 new jobs at a second Envision-AESC Gigafactory. Longer-term, the transformational project modernises and expands Nissan’s EV production capability in the UK and gives Envision-AESC the potential to increase production up to 35GW.
As part of the £1bn announcement:
Nissan will invest £432m to produce a new-generation all-electric vehicle in the UK. Production in Sunderland will create 909 new jobs in the city, and more than 4,500 in the UK supply chain, while safeguarding a further 75 R&D jobs, securing £1bn wages per year in UK automotive
Envision-AESC, which already operates Europe’s first Gigafactory in Sunderland, will invest £450m to build its second Gigafactory on the International Advanced Manufacturing Park (IAMP). The new Gigafactory will create 750 jobs and safeguard the jobs of 300 current staff
Sunderland City Council is aiming to deliver a 100% renewable electricity ‘Microgrid’ that will save 55,000 tonnes of carbon annually and supply and store energy needed to power Nissan 36Zero. The first-of-its-kind, this project is estimated to be an £80 million investment.
Today’s announcement demonstrates the level of ambition this council has for Sunderland, and the way in which we work in lockstep with private sector partners and UK Government to deliver for this city. Nissan 36Zero and the Gigafactory investment from Envision Group it brings with it places Sunderland at the centre of electric vehicle production in Europe. We’re delighted to be enabling this and continuing a long track record of partnership working with businesses in the city, ensuring Sunderland is a place where our skilled people drive efficiency, and our support and partnership working enables success.
We are committed to carbon neutrality and have set ambitious targets. Alongside this, we have a real commitment to being a digitally connected city through fibre and 5G that will contribute to and enable the Made Smarter agenda, helping drive further efficiencies in manufacturing and the supply chain, and placing Sunderland as a world-leading sustainable smart city.
Today vindicates the unwavering belief this council has in the city’s ability to drive the electric revolution, working in partnership with the private sector and Government to bring nationally significant projects to fruition, and creating jobs and prosperity for our people and businesses in the process. Today is a momentous one for the city, and the product of months of hard work that will deliver many years of benefit for Sunderland and its people.
We are delighted that all the hard work by everyone involved has led to this hugely significant announcement.
Best Wish
Cllr Graeme Miller
Leader
Sunderland City Council

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anon84679660:
I have not checked what anybody else has written so far, Mazzer, so, partially yes, you are right Mazzer, you need to remember, those few companies that were supported by their governments, were getting a very light touch of support, all within the EU rules and regulations, the UK could have done the same, maybe even did the same, but what is now being done to thar Sunderland plant is being done on a massive , industrial scale, this would never have been allowed within the EU rules, there would never have been any need to throw all these UK taxpayers money to support a Japanese company, to stay here, and keep employing all those poor buggers that supported Brexit and lying BoJo.
Another difference, whatever companies were being lightly supported financially by some EU countries, all those were their own blue chip, national brand companies, what this government is now doing, is basically, keeping alive, otherwise uneconomical (due to Brexit) operation of a foreign, not even British, company.
Japanese are basically laughing their a.r.s.e.s off watching this circus, and just playing along while the free money, from the UK taxpayers, keeps coming in, and once it stops, Nissan is going to be out.
So, thanks to Brexit we have money to support Nissan, which if no Brexit would not be needed, and no money to support NHS, and give these nurses and doctors a well deserved pay rise

I don’t think you could class the 8bn euro being given to the French motor industry by the French government as light financial support. So are you saying that national brand companies should be supported regardless of their viability even though that means they can compete unfairly within the single market, hardly makes for a level playing field. As I previously stated governments will offer incentives/bribes in many forms everyone seems to up in arms because this one is straightforward cash perhaps the government should have followed Ireland’s lead and offered Nissan a tax rate of under 2% for their duration last time I looked Google, Facebook and Apple were not Irish companies yet they seem to get plenty of support from the Irish goverment

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Franglais:
More jobs in Sunderland looks good to me.
.
Are those jobs there because of Brexit?
Probably would have come there anyway because of Nissan having a successful factory there. But they were put at risk by Brexit.

That the risk has been mitigated is good, but it’s like playing Russian roulette and being glad when you survive. No need to pull the trigger, and getting an empty chamber doesn’t mean you’ve won! It means you haven’t lost… yet.

Brexit caused a lack of confidence by Nissan resulting in the guarantees given to them a few years ago. That the lack of confidence has been overcome is good, but at what price? Has the UK Gov ended up paying out in cash or guarantees for something that would have been free if we had stayed in?
.
Brexit has already cost us shedloads of cash, and here is another example.
.
What deal has Nissan got?
I certainly don’t know, and given the “secret deal” of 2016, who does know?
theguardian.com/politics/20 … carmarkers
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Probably would have gone to Sunderland anyway?

Wasn’t it your type that told us Nissan would leave as a result of Brexit…?

Seems you have a very inconsistent interpretation of events

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Franglais:

the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?

I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.

Loose a fifty, find a twenty, and think you’re on a winner then.

Only a Remainer could interpret NOT finding a 50 as LOSING a 50.

It is after all what most of the economic forecasts were predicated on

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